John Roselli Kennedy assassination

Do you think that John Roselli was the actual gunman behind the assassination of JFK. This was in Bill Bonanno's autobiography.
New York mob boss Bill Bonanno claimed in his autobiography that while he was imprisoned with Roselli, he spoke to him about the Kennedy assassination. Roselli allegedly told Bonanno that he had fired a shot from a storm drain located on Elm Street in Dallas.

I just finished the 2011 miniseries "The Kennedy's" on netflix, and it was implied in there that because of doing Chicago mobster Sam Giancana wrong after the 1960 election, that he was pissed at both robert and john kennedy for attacking him after he helped them win the election.....the only thing I don't understand if Roselli helped or whoever, that with all these dying mobsters or imprisoned mobsters or former CIA agents, why doesnt someone come up with absolute proof that they helped or planned or where there, kind of like Jimmy Hoffa disappearance....I mean a zillion mobsters have flipped so this wouldn't be a stretch to talk about this.

Not absolute proof just any proof imo this is one of the weakest jfk conspiracies. When i looked at your title i thought a guy called jrk ha been assassinated .

there were not turncoats at that time and anyway if really cia and politicians are involved i doubt the truth would emerge even in the future all the people could know something were killed or died and if somebody is still alive he wouldnt talk about

I don't think so. Thought I watched something where they said it was almost impossible for someone to shoot of that drain.

There have been so many rumblings about Chicago being involved with the Kennedy assassination, that I sort of stopped listening to most of them.

IIRC, Chicago was involved with the bay of pigs invasion, so there is some documented connection between the CIA and Chicago.

Did Chicago play a small part in conspiracy? Perhaps. Will there ever be any proof? Probably not.

But if Sammy the bull and calabrese junior that ran their mouths must have heard something if it was true that the mob was involved and they havent so...its a stretch if the mob was involved at all

How would they know? Sammy would've been 17 or something and Frank would've been younger.

the only people who knows about are those involved but i doubt they would talk about

I think there was possibly a conspiracy but i don't believe the mafia had anything to do with it

i think the mafia was involved in the murders of john and bobby kennedy like in the murder of enrico mattei in that period

I think Bonanno is full it crap. He wants the Mafia to take credit for killing a man he thought deserved to die. It's all delusions of grandeur.

So far there have been claims that one of three different sets of shooters did the JFK job:
1. Johnny Roselli, Jimmy Frattiano and and some non-italian that worked for Rocco Fischetti. (Forget his name)
2. Three Corsican shooters with ties to the Marseilles French Connection.
3. Three CIA operatives organized by LBJ, E. Howard Hunt and Cord Meyer: the possible names are David Phillips, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William Harvey, a French gunman, and Lucien Sarti, who worked for the Mafia.
The public still does not know which of the three did it.
Take your pick.
Supposedly, the three teams each consisted of a shooter and a spotter (responsible for disposing of the gun afterwards.)

Here´s a pretty convincing video made by Bob Harris saying that at least one bullet was fired from the Daltex Building (not the building Lee Harvey Oswald was in) and struck JFK.
I´m not saying the Mafia was involved in killing JFK, but If what Bob Harris is saying in this video is true, then there certainly was a conspracy to kill JFK. And I belive Oswald was part of it. In addition to the shooter in the Daltex Building, numerous of witnesse also heard shots coming from behind a fence on the famous grassy knoll.

The mafia conspiracy was a bullet fired from a drain . I

believe there was possibly a conspiracy but of all i've heard

the mafias probably the weakest. It's based on assumptions that

the kennedys promised to lay off the mafia for their help in

fixing the 1960 vote in Illinois. Obviously we know that RFK

was tougher on them than anyone before him. The only other thin

that people use to tie the mob to JFK is their links to the cia.

Who knows it could've been but i think it's alot weaker than

any other conspiracy or even lho on his own.

i think the mafia had good motivations to kill him and his brother, the mafia was at its peak at that time
the fact kennedy was tough on the mafia meand nothing, maybe he took the votes and they betray them
of course the mafia if involved was not alone, but it planned the murder togheter with politicians, member of cia or some oil boss
according to an informant in the sicilian mafia, enrico mattei was murdered coz some american oil bosses wanted him dead and he said the murder of mattei is linked in a way or another to kennedy murder
but who's knows

They certainly had motivation but there's nothing substantial linking them unlike some other theories . Imo its purely based on assumption .

of course there is not any substantial proof, were talking about the murder of the united states president by the way, its logic the people involved and not the mafia only but sure some politicians and cia members planned it perfectly
there were not mafia turncoats at that time and all the people surely involved (oswald, ruby etc.) killed or died

I have been hearing for years that the govt knows who did it and why and all this information will be released at the 100 yr anniversary of the assassination after everyone and their next generation are gone. I will be 101 years old. I will fill you in with updates. LOL

Many People who knew something were murdered and their murders were made to look like a mistake or suicide. The Chicago Outfit, Trafficante family and New Orleans family, the CIA, the Anti-Castro Cubans, and Southern politicians were all involved. They all hated JFK and joined to take him out. You think Jack Ruby killed Oswald because he was mad he killed the president? Yeah sure! lol. Ruby was asked to. By who? We will know once the people involved in the JFK killing within our friendly Government are all dead. They say it will be about 2029 when they open the files.

Fair enough i see your point. All i was saying was possibly the cia or politicians had something to do with it but i don't give much credit to the mafia being involved. But again who knows .

I will be slightly younger than you at that point. So your updates will be much appreciated...
Welcome to the boards, Sammy!

The mob and cia were connected since world war II so...after 2 decades they were still connected,on one occasion the fbi found boxes with the cia logo and equipment at Giancana's house but after the Kennedy hit and the Giancana/Roselli hits the connection was terminated,,years after that a plane of the cia full of cocaine crashed down,just an exemple that they didnt need any help from the mob after that

I spent a good deal of time researching Traficante's ties to the assassination. Through all the conjecture and (always enjoyable) conspiracy theories there are some undeniable facts:

Jack Ruby visited Santo Trafficante in Triscornia prison in Cuba in 1959 along with Lewis McWillie, a Trafficante associate who worked at the Sans Souci.

Ruby was involved with the Dallas family, esp the Campisis

JOhnny Roselli was heavily involved with JMWAVE and anti-Castro operations in South Florida- he had definite ties to the intelligence community.

The CIA utilized Cuban gangsters in Bay of Pigs and other operations. Some of these Cubans went to work for Trafficante (the early Cuban Mafia in Miami).

Trafficante was "hired" by the CIA to kill Castro.

JOhnny Roselli did NOT kill Kennedy.

THere are loads of more coincidences, connections, and crimes associated with the Kennedy assassination that tie back to the Trafficante,Marcello, and some tangential ties to THe Outfit. It's an intriguing rabbit hole to fall down.

Safe to say that the Mafia, as a whole, did not kill Kennedy. Certain mobsters, however, were neck deep in anti-Castro activities (and possibly pro-Castro spying). The Cuba nexus (including these said gangsters) is IMO the most probable phantom behind the assassination.

right that the mafia as a whole didnìt kill kennedy, but i'm sure that if trafficante and marcello were involved the new york bosses knew the plan too

maybe the mob had a small part in this, but i doubt they were the ones directly responsible. that blame should fall on whatever shadow government agency got the go ahead. the fact is that this wasn't like in the days of lincoln where someone could just walk right up to the president and shoot him easily,(although possible,look at reagan) lots of planning had to go into it. it had to have been an inside job as the security was top notch at this point in time and regardless what you believe, the official story just has too many holes in it.

of course the mafia has a minor role in this kind of murder, but i wouldn't sursprised it's involved
according to a sicilian mafia informant who kills kennedy are the same who wanted enrico mattei dead, who was the head of the national italian petroleum company and died in a plan crash in 1962
recently inquiries showed somebody put a bomb in the plane
according to some informants the mafia was involved in the mattei's murder, they did it to do a favour to somebody in the states
behind the murder there's some texas petroleum lobby and probably even behind kennedy one

Scott did you ever have the chance to interview Frank Ragano or his son regarding this issue? I thought I read somewhere that an initial assassination plot of JFK was to take place in Tampa. All of this could be BS from Ragano. Just seeing if you have any first hand knowledge thanks

I interviewed his son, and talk to him often. He's a really good guy and successful attorney in Tampa.

The Tampa assassination attempt did not come from Ragano. That was featured in the book Ultimate Sacrifice. There was a tip to law enforcement that Kennedy was supposed to be killed in Tampa back in '63. The expansive theory in the book brings in the mob angle via Traf, Marcello, and GIancana. It's a reliable theory IMO.

Scott D,
Thanks that is really cool...not sure if you have or not you need to get on Bubba or Cowhead show and talk about this stuff one day.

Let me tell you the real person behind JFK'S assassination. I did a talk with Daniel Bonanno who is Joe Bonanno's son. Daniel had said that his father had a talk with him in the early 2001 when he was aged about 96 or 95. Joseph Bonanno had said that he was the main guy behind the JFK assassination due to the fact, JFK was too much of a risk to Cosa Nostra and he was a government guy. Joseph Bonanno had 5 hitmen incase the main Hitman missed and failed. Joseph sent 1 guy from the Five Families so if it went wrong that guy and his family would be blamed for the fault so it would be clear who did it. Roselli also played along with Joe Bonanno, Joe thought of this idea and Roselli planned it all out. Wikipedia is all wrong but Cosa Nostra, Wikipedia is only linked to Newspaper and Website articles by references.

I would take ANYTHING that Joe Bonanno said with a grain of salt. He's a self-promoter without peer.

Which Joe Bonanno are you talking about? Joe Bonanno, the boss? He never had a son named Daniel.
If the Mafia was involved in killing JFK, the killers most probably had a connection with the Tampa-New Orleans-Chicago axis.
What Bill Bonanno said in his book about Roselli telling him shooting the President may be the truth. However, Roselli´s "confession" to Bonanno most likely was not. Bonanno was only talking about what was told to him. So it´s not Bonanno´s account that needs to be scrutinized, but Roselli´s.

i read all fingers point at lyndon b. johnson and hoover. jfk was gonna make his brother head of the fbi and when he ran again for president he was gonna have a new vp, thats all you need to know. maybe they brought carlos marcello in on it because alot of wise guys were upset with him after the killing.

Huh?

When he says he "did a talk with Daniel Bonanno" he means he read this guys facebook page and website. Daniel is supposedly an alias. I saw this a long time ago and read around a bit. The guy can't get enough of himself and certainly won't quit talking.

https://www.facebook.com/danielbonnano.torbitt

Na, it was just LHO as lone gunman: http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/concl.htm. An interesting figure, there may be more to the story, but probably not. And the alleged Chicago-election riggings were already debunked some years ago by John Binder.
Nothing cinematic, just a nut with a gun.

Daniel is an adpoted son of Bill. Either way, Bill was behind JFK'S assassination.

Why are you so willing to believe the Bonannos? The only proof Bill had anything to do with it is his own word.

So you would take an Author of FBI Agent's word than someone who was a Boss who was on The Commission and you call him a lier but not Author's. The Bonanno's wouldnt lie, Joseph wouldnt lie when he was 97. Joe cared about his past and somethings were false to make him not look like a very bad guy. Sorry, I meant Joseph.

If Joe cared so much about his past why was he writing a book about lcn in the first place. I don't know what FBI agents book you're talking about but i haven't read it.The Bonannos wouldn't lie you crack me up. You staate as fact what happened to JFK as fact with nothing to go on other than the Bonannos word.

Joe wanted a book made about him. I think it was a great idea, A boss writing a book is great. Joe was never arrested or suspected in a serious crime only arrested for 14 months and only fined once $450. Why do you question Joseph's knowledge in Cosa Nostra. Joe didnt reveal all the Secrets because they would give the Feds a foot further, It actually did give them a foot further. Joe didnt want to be looked at as a Killer. I cant believe you wouldnt believe a Boss but you would believe an Author and compare an Author to a Boss who reigned for 34 years and an Author who was wrote 4 book's, You believe an author? Hahaha. You believe John Roselli was behind the Assassination because the FBI said so? Wow. Bonanno thought of the Idea and Roselli made it happen with his Connection's within the Mob. I havent read the Bonanno Book either but Joe wouldnt lie, He wasnt like that. Joseph said what was needed to be made in a Book, Believe him or Not. I know I do because he was a Powerful and Wise man brought up to be Loyal and Honest. When you get older you tend not to lie even at the age of 97. The FBI believe him in the stuff they know not the stuff he knows personally.

What author that's wrote 4 books? I don't believe the mafia (even Roselli) had anything to do with it. Cmon Joe wouldnt lie, He wasnt like that are you serious he was a criminal how can you say he was above lying .When you get older you tend not to lie even at the age of 97 that's just ridiculous . Can you please tell me why you believe Joe other than he was 97 he wouldn't lie?

"An Author with 4 books" was an example. 34 years compared 10 books, whatever. Cosa Nostra had a major part in JFKs assassination, JFK associated with the Mob and was killed because they couldnt take the risk. Joseph wouldnt lie at age 97, Joe wasnt that desperate to lie. Jo knew he was going to die soon and I dont see why an 97 year old would like, No purpose in that. People aged 100 dont need to lie at that age, They can put with it when you are younger you lie more to not get in much trouble being that age and knowing your going to pass soon you just couldnt give two shits.

I may be wrong but was Bill not the one who claimed the stuff about JFK. I've never anything about Joe talking about JFK (97 or not). Can you please tell me how you can state as fact that LCN had a major part in JFKs death ?

JB's age has nothing to do with it. His ego was so big that he'd lie until the day until the day he died because he worried about his "legacy."

Thank you good sir

Okay. If it was a mad man then that mad man wouldnt of done it so succesfully and would of shot JFK down below in the crowd. Cosa Nostra tend to be professionals. JFK associated with the Mob alot, JFK's brother also did too but stopped after he was killed and believed Cosa Nostra had a big role in his older brother's death. 97 has something to do with the fact he wouldnt lie, Someone aged 97 isnt desperte and doesnt need to lie. Bonanno was a man of honour and wouldnt of lied thats it, You believe the FBI's word but not a boss.. Very sad.

regardless of who killed JFK, i think that we can all agree that the official story has so many holes in it that it should be called swiss cheese!

Jack Ruby denied he was part of a conspiracy a couple of times, once on his deathbed and another time when he tried to talk to Warren Commission. A deathbed confession was the perfect time to come clean but he still denied a conspiracy.

Can you please show me where you read RFK believed the mafia had a big role in his brothers death . Was it not Bill who said all this about JFK ? i've never heard anything Joe was saying but i may be wrong . 97 has something to do with the fact he wouldnt lie, you can say it all you want it doesn't make it a fact.

Joe 'Bananas' Bonnano would NEVER lie!? Are you kidding me. He told Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes (and the entire world) that he was not involved in selling drugs. The Bonnano Family during Joe's reign was one of the biggest heroin importers in the US. For chrissakes his underboss Carmine Galante did umpteen years in the pen for a heroin conviction. Later Galante was murderd over the heroin business. Joe wouldn't lie my ass. He was probably trying to get his memoir re-printed. LFMAO

I keep getting confused about Joe and Bill. I love debating agaisnt the whole fuckin' village.

'What are they hiding?': Group sues Biden and National Archives over JFK assassination records

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hiding-group-sues-biden-national-120028563.html

The JFK records act, signed by President Bill Clinton, required that the documents be made public by Oct. 26, 2017, but President Donald Trump delayed the release and kicked the can to Biden, who critics say continued the policy of federal obfuscation that has existed since Kennedy was assassinated Nov. 22, 1963, in an open motorcade at Dealey Plaza in Dallas.

“It’s high time that the government got its act together and obeyed the spirit and the letter of the law,” said the vice president of the nonpartisan Mary Ferrell Foundation, Jefferson Morley, an expert on the assassination and the CIA.

“This is about our history and our right to know it,” said Morley, the author of the JFK Facts blog.

All the files were released. It sounds like Morley is just trying to keep his blog relevant.