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Posted By: NJBoy55

Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/20/12 08:01 PM

Los Angeles Mafia Family list of members

Adamo, Girolamo "Momo"
* underboss
* killed himself on June 18, 1956

Adamo, Joseph
* capo
* made in 1952
* brother of Girolamo Adamo
* born on July 26, 1914 in Los Angeles
* passed away on September 1, 1973 in Los Angeles

Andrade, Pietro "Peter"
* soldier
* born around 1884 in Palermo, Sicily
* passed away on November 2, 1945 in Los Angeles

Ardizzone, Joseph "The Iron Man"
* boss from 1925 until 1931
* born on November 19, 1884 in Piana degli Albanese, Sicily
* murdered on October 15, 1931 in Los Angeles

Battaglia, Charles "Charlie Batts"
* soldier
* made in 1952
* switched to the Bonanno Mafia Family in 1968
* born on November 12, 1917 in Buffalo, NY
* passed away on March 1, 1983 in Phoenix, AZ

Bartolotta, Domiano Bruno "Danny Bruno"
* soldier
* born on March 22, 1919 in Detroit, MI
* no longer living

Bartolotta, Sidney "Sid"
* soldier
* brother of Domiano
* passed away in 1982

Bompensiero, Frank "Bomp"
* consigliere
* owner of the Gold Rail Bar and the Southland Music Co.
* became an undercover FBI informant in 1967
* born on October 29, 1905 in Milwaukee, WI
* murdered on February 10, 1977 in San Diego, CA

Brucceleri, Dominick Philip "Dominick Brooklier"
* boss from 1974 until 1984
* born around 1914
* passed away on July 1, 1984 in prison

Bruno, Salvatore "Sam"
* soldier
* born on October 12, 1894 in Palermo, Sicily
* passed away in 1959

Caci, Charles James "Bobby Milano"
* soldier
* married to the singer Keely Smith
* born around 1936 in Buffalo, NY
* passed away on January 17, 2006 in Rancho Mirage, CA

Caci, Vincent Dominick "Jimmy"
* capo
* brother of Charles
* formerly associated with the Buffalo Mafia Family
* made in 1976
* born on August 1, 1925 in Buffalo, NY
* passed away on August 16, 2011 in Palm Springs, CA

Caruso, Louis "Louie"
* capo
* mobster with influence in Las Vegas
* owner of Caruso Mechanical Services
* reported to be still alive and living in Phoenix, AZ

Cino, Stephen Anthony "The Whale"
* soldier
* formerly associated with the Buffalo Mafia Family
* made in 1986
* born around 1936 in Buffalo, NY
* reported to be still alive and living in Las Vegas

DeSimone, Frank
* boss from 1956 until 1967
* born on July 17, 1909 in Pueblo, CO
* passed away on August 4, 1967 in Los Angeles

DeSimone, Rosario "The Chief"
* capo
* father of Frank
* born on December 11, 1873 in Salaparuta, Sicily
* passed away on July 15, 1946 in Los Angeles

Dippolito, Joseph Charles "Joe Dip"
* underboss
* made in 1952
* born on December 28, 1914 in Los Angeles
* passed away on January 14, 1974 in Ontario, CA

Dippolito, Salvatore Charles "Charlie Dip"
* capo
* made in 1947
* father of Joseph Charles Dippolito
* owner of the Dippolito Vinyard
* born around 1889 in Palermo, Sicily
* passed away on September 6, 1961 in San Bernadino, CA

Dragna, Frank Paul "Two Eyes"
* soldier
* born on November 18, 1918 in Los Angeles
* passed away on April 2, 1993 in Los Angeles

Dragna, Frank Paul "One Eye"
* soldier
* cousin of Frank Paul "Two Eyes" Dragna
* born around 1924 in Los Angeles
* passed away in 1996

Dragna, Gaetano "Tom"
* consigliere
* father of Frank Paul "Two Eyes" Dragna
* born on November 25, 1888 in Corleone, Sicily
* passed away in 1997

Dragna, Giacomo "Jack"
* boss from 1931 until 1956
* father of Frank Paul "One Eye" Dragna
* born on April 18, 1891 in Corleone, Sicily
* passed away on February 23, 1956 in Los Angeles

Dragna, Louis Tom
* capo
* son of Gaetano
* owner of Roberta Dress Manufacturing and Save-On Fashions
* made in 1947
* born on July 18, 1920 in Los Angeles
* passed away in 1994

Esposito, Michael "Porno Mike"
* soldier
* son of Salvatore Esposito, member of Lucchese Mafia Family
* owner of Gentlemen's Video
* reported to be still alive and living in Hollywood, CA

Fiato, Craig Anthony "The Animal"
* soldier
* formerly associated with the New England Mafia Family
* underboss of the Mike Rizzitello Crew
* made in 1984
* became an informant for the FBI in 1984
* born on August 31, 1949 in Boston, MA
* reported to be still alive and in the Witness Protection Program

Fratianno, Aladena "Jimmy The Weasel"
* acting boss
* formerly associated with the Cleveland Mafia Family
* made in 1947
* switched to the Chicago Outfit in 1960
* went back to the Los Angeles Mob in 1975
* owner of the Fratianno Trucking Co.
* became an informant for the FBI in 1977
* born on November 14, 1913 in Napoli, Italy
* passed away on June 30, 1993 in Oklahoma City, OK

Gambino, Tommaso
* underboss
* son of Rosario Gambino, member of the Gambino Mafia Family
* born around 1965
* reported to be still alive and living in Los Angeles

Gelfuso, Luigi "Louie"
* capo
* born on August 7, 1925 in Providence, RI
* passed away on October 13, 2000 in North Hollywood, CA

Governale, Angelo
* soldier
* born around 1882 in Corleone, Sicily
* passed away in 1955

Licata, Carlo
* soldier
* son-in-law of William "Black Bill" Tocco, member of the Detroit Partnership
* made in 1952
* switched to the Detroit Partnership in 1974
* born on December 29, 1924 in Detroit, MI
* passed away in 1981

Licata, Nicolo "Old Man"
* boss from 1967 until 1974
* father of Carlo
* formerly a soldier in the Detroit Partnership
* born on February 20, 1897 in Camporeale, Sicily
* passed away on October 14, 1974 in Los Angeles

LiMandri, Joseph John
* soldier
* son-in-law of Salvatore Dippolito
* made in 1952
* born on September 5, 1913 in Los Angeles
* no longer living

LiMandri, Marco
* soldier
* father of Joseph John
* born on April 14, 1891 in Palermo, Sicily
* passed away in 1967

LoCicero, Giacchino "Jack"
* consigliere
* born around 1912
* no longer living

Longo, Dominick "Dom"
* soldier
* made in 1975
* owner of Longo Toyota
* born around 1920 in Montreal, Canada
* passed away on October 11, 1985 in Pasadena, CA

Matranga, Frank Anthony
* soldier
* cousin of the Matranga Bro's of the Detroit Partnership
* owner of the Sierra Dist. Co.
* born on April 11, 1911 in Chicago, IL
* no longer living

Matranga, Gaspare
* soldier
* came to the United States illegally in 1925
* deported to Italy in 1954
* born around 1898 in Balestrati, Sicily
* passed away on July 1, 1971 in Tijuana, Mexico

Milano, Carmen Joseph "Flipper"
* underboss
* made in 1984
* born on July 27, 1929 in Cleveland, OH
* passed away on January 3, 2006 in Las Vegas, NV

Milano, Frank Angelo "John Gallo"
* soldier
* brother of Carmen Joseph
* born on July 17, 1927 in Cleveland, OH
* no longer living

Milano, Peter John "Shakes"
* boss from 1984
* brother of Carmen Joseph and Frank Angelo
* owner of the Roman Candle Bar and the Rome Vending Co.
* born on December 22, 1925 in Cleveland, OH
* reported to be still alive and living in Los Angeles

Mirabile, Antonio "Papa Tony"
* capo
* formerly associated with the Detroit Partnership
* owner of the Saratoga Cafe, the Senator Cafe, Frolics Cafe and the Navy Club
* born on January 1, 1894 in Alcamo, Sicily
* murdered in 1958

Mirabile, Paul
* soldier
* brother of Antonio
* formerly associated with the Detroit Partnership
* born on January 12, 1896 in Alcamo, Sicily
* passed away in 1968

Montana, Leonard Jr. "Limping Lenny"
* soldier
* son of the actor Lenny Montana
* made in 1998
* owner of Enzo's Pizzeria
* reported to be still alive and living in Hollywood, CA

Musetta, Russell "Rusty"
* soldier
* son-in-law of Peter John Milano
* formerly associated with the Cleveland Mafia Family
* made in 1986
* born on September 23, 1952 in Cleveland, OH
* reported to be still alive and living in Cleveland, OH

Paduano, Robert George "Fat Bobby"
* soldier
* born around 1943
* reported to be still alive and living in Orange County

Palermo, Thomas "Tommy"
* consigliere
* born around 1908
* passed away in 1975

Pinelli, Salvatore "Sal"
* soldier
* made in 1975
* no longer living

Piscopo, Salvatore "Dago Louie"
* soldier
* made in 1947
* born on September 10, 1893 in Napoli, Italy
* no longer living

Polizzi, Angelo
* soldier
* made in 1950
* born around 1913 in Buffalo, NY
* passed away in 1976

Ricciardi, Thomas Dominick
* soldier
* made in 1977
* born around 1930 in New York City
* passed away on April 29, 1979 in Los Angeles

Rizzitello, Michael "Mike Rizzi"
* capo
* formerly associated with the Gallo Bro's of New York City
* born on March 29, 1927 in Montreal, Canada
* passed away on October 20, 2005 in prison

Sciortino, Samuel Orlando "Sam"
* underboss
* born around 1919 in Chicago. IL
* passed away on August 23, 1983 in prison

Scozzari, Simone "Sam"
* underboss
* owner of the Venetian Club
* born on January 7, 1900 in Palermo, Sicily
* passed away on January 14, 1974 in Los Angeles

Stellino, Frank
* soldier
* son-in-law of Nicolo Licata
* made in 1968
* no longer living

Vaccaro, John Joseph
* soldier
* owner of the Four Square Construction Co.
* born around 1940
* reported to be still alive and living in Las Vegas

Zangari, Rocco James "Big Foot"
* soldier
* made in 1980
* born around 1931
* reported to be still alive and living in Palm Springs, CA and Buffalo, NY



Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/20/12 09:14 PM

Nice chart NJBoy!

Here´s some additional names. These guys were all suspected made members during the 1960s:

Giuseppe Aleccia
Julian Antista
Antonio Campagna (retired in the 50s)
John Cascio
Arthur DiMaria (answerd to capo Joseph Dippolito; active in Las Vegas)
Frank Gruttadauria
Anthony Mangione
Nicolo Marchese
Charles Migliore
Salvatore Pizzo
Benny Rizzotto
Dominick "Mimi" Tripoli

Suspected members in the San Diego faction:

Filippo Damiano
Leo Dia
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/20/12 11:14 PM

I have Joe Adamo, Gaspare Matranga and Sal Piscopo. Giammona was a member of the Modesto branch of the SJ mob, not LA. Most on your list were just associates. I didn't put associates on this list. Thanks for sharing, though. Cool list bro!!
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 01:23 AM

Good stuff dudes
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 02:45 AM

Thanks for the props Nicholas.
Posted By: sickstylemob12

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 03:57 AM

does anyone think there is a family still in the La area at all? with a boss , underboss, and a crew or two?
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 04:06 AM

more like a few guys with some semi legitimate scams, although from time to time you hear about other families from back east having some scam or drug running operations from coast to coast without the involvement of the la crew. the real mafia in southern california is la eme, or the mexican mafia, primarily a prison gang with a very smart way of doing buisness. they make thier money mainly through extortion and drug sales.a typical shakedown envolves them approaching a street gang that deals in narcotics and demanding a percentage. if the gang refuses they let them know that we run the prisons and sooner or later you guys will end up in the system and if you dont pay, once you are arrested its green light time. more often than not the gangs pay.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 05:55 AM

The only real members of la eme are doing life in prison.
The Aryan Brotherhood being very similar, the real made guys are all doing life. Donald Mazza, an Orange County boy got patched in and He'll be out soon.

Nuestra Familia is an organization far more similar to the Mafia.
Posted By: sickstylemob12

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 06:11 AM

yeah isn't there a few Colombo and Gambino guys that moved out to Cali and sending money back east
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 09:04 AM

NJBoy,
I have edited "my" guys and put them as suspected members.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 03:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Five_Felonies
more like a few guys with some semi legitimate scams, although from time to time you hear about other families from back east having some scam or drug running operations from coast to coast without the involvement of the la crew. the real mafia in southern california is la eme, or the mexican mafia, primarily a prison gang with a very smart way of doing buisness. they make thier money mainly through extortion and drug sales.a typical shakedown envolves them approaching a street gang that deals in narcotics and demanding a percentage. if the gang refuses they let them know that we run the prisons and sooner or later you guys will end up in the system and if you dont pay, once you are arrested its green light time. more often than not the gangs pay.



The Mexican Mob are nothing on the street compared to the Italians. They do run the prisons in Cali, though.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/21/12 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: sickstylemob12
yeah isn't there a few Colombo and Gambino guys that moved out to Cali and sending money back east


Yes, if you saw Mukremin's charts on the New York guys, you'll see in the Gambino one Joseph Isgro, who is a Gambino soldier in the LA area, he owns a film company there I believe.

The L.A. Mafia still have 10 made men left, they are bigger than Cleveland and Tampa, and just a little smaller than KC.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 02:05 AM

The mob's presence out west today is almost non-existent. You could count all the made guys that are living in Nevada, Arizona, and California and it probably isn't above 15 or 20 at the most. And a good chunk of those are inactive.
Posted By: Frosty

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 02:45 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
The mob's presence out west today is almost non-existent. You could count all the made guys that are living in Nevada, Arizona, and California and it probably isn't above 15 or 20 at the most. And a good chunk of those are inactive.
wink cool agreeded ! And they can take that to any pawn shop they would like !
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 02:54 AM

Hey Frosty, go home and get your shine box. Haha!! He's right about Cali, but not Nevada, the city of LV still have a lot of made men from different families living there.
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 02:58 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Hey Frosty, go home and get your shine box. Haha!! He's right about Cali, but not Nevada, the city of LV still have a lot of made men from different families living there.
living or active, big difference. sure some might call las vegas home but outside of loansharking and some prostitution, not much activity.
Posted By: sickstylemob12

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 03:33 AM

i agree with NJboy. Maybe Cali but not Nevada . Out of the 5 families who has the most action going on in the West Coast ?
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 03:36 AM

according to Capeci, the Colombos called Donnie Shack out of retirement from Cali to come to NYC and serve on the admin cause they are that desperate for guys

sad state of affairs
Posted By: Five_Felonies

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 03:45 AM

trust ivy on this one 15-20 made guys, not all of them active. the most significant rackets might be drugs shipped out west to the east coast, my guess is the bonnanos and the gambinos.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Hey Frosty, go home and get your shine box. Haha!! He's right about Cali, but not Nevada, the city of LV still have a lot of made men from different families living there.


Back in 2010 the Las Vegas Sun did an article that cited only 10 mob members still living there.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 09:40 AM

Retired guys I assume Ivy?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/22/12 10:55 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicholas
Retired guys I assume Ivy?


The article didn't elaborate but I that would be a good assumption.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/23/12 03:08 AM

Actually I saw an article that said Las Vegas had 15 actual made guys there.

Chicago has a soldier in Las Vegas. They always had a soldier there running things for them Since Marshall Caifano.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/23/12 03:35 AM

Originally Posted By: NJBoy55
Actually I saw an article that said Las Vegas had 15 actual made guys there.

Chicago has a soldier in Las Vegas. They always had a soldier there running things for them Since Marshall Caifano.


Mob activity in recent years, or lack thereof, tells us all we need to know. The 2003 raid of the Outfit-connected Crazy Horse Too strip club was the last big mob-related event over the past decade. In 2008, Gambino associate Salvatore Reale was ordered by a judge to return $4 million in a business deal but that's not exactly big news. The mob's sports betting networks still extend out to Vegas, and I imagine there is interest in some legit stuff like clubs, restaurants, etc, but that's pretty much it. You've got individual mafiosi living there or passing through but apparently not any permanent, active crews.

Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 02/24/12 02:30 AM

Thanks Ivy!!! I'll buy that.
Posted By: MrMorbid

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/10/12 04:19 AM

Out of curiosity does anyone know where the members who've passed away are buried? I'm out here in Anaheim until Monday doing some celebrity grave hunting in and around Los Angeles. I wouldn't mind tracking down the gravesites of some of these guys for record purposes. Please let me know.

Mr. Morbid
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/10/12 07:03 PM

The Mexican Mafia are the top of the food chain. You think they don't have enforcers out on the street to pick up the tributes from the street gangs operating on their territory?

The Mexican Mafia once gave the green light for a hit on the Governor of California. LCN have no such capability to carry out such an operation in 2012. La Eme have also infiltrated Government programs and have many contacts in very influential Government positions and the magnitude of their connections into organised crime has not really been fully unravelled or exposed.

What is for certain is that they have the capacity to frighten alot of very weary law enforcement officials who are under no illusions about the level of their threat. LCN put a threat out on the Mayor of New York? Erm, the FBI would round them all up for conspiracy in five seconds flat and the family would be busted.

Only brutal criminals with nothing to lose can scrap it out on the street and LCN and their fine living wiseguys just ain't up to much. They look dapper and have shiny shoes but that don't make a tough guy.

In fact in terms of violence and threat level and in terms of brutality and ruthlessness LCN are almost white collar criminals by comparison.

They wouldn't have the muscle to compete with the Mexcian Mafia. The only power they have is through their networks and through their political connections.

Apart from a few bruisers collecting debts they are not the killing machine that gave them such infamy and notoriety up until the 80's. From thereon in as John Gotti himself conceded the mob were "losing the streets".

Made Mafia members are pampered mamma's boys by comparison to the thugs who spent their youth and life slugging it out on the streets with bullets or mano o mano with shivs. Most made men these days probably haven't been in a proper fight other than gutter punching some joe schmoe nobody who knows who they are and isn't going to mess with them anyways.

They would be annihilated in a war with La Eme. These mama's boys would get their asses spanked in a street confrontation. That's the reality. Unless they contract out their muscle to a street gang or an Outlaw MC they have no capacity of their own to fight toe to toe in a turf war.

In fact I'm not sure they'd even be allowed. LCN bosses have too much to lose to even dip their toes into street confrontations. LCN are many things, organised, well connected and influential.
One thing they're not, in 2012 is 'tough'.
Posted By: Ted

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 03:06 AM

La Eme infiltrating and having contacts in government? That's redicuolus. They are a prison gang. All there leaders are locked up. That's how the organization works. They're only contacts on the outside are the gangs that pay them tribute for protection.
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 12:56 PM

You think all these street gangs just pay up voluntarily to anonymous contacts? You really think that's it? You don't think Mexican Mafia members are on the streets? Have served sentences and are now back out onto the streets? Do you have any comprehension as to how big some of these street gangs are? You think they're paying up without a serious threat hanging over their heads?

The Mexican Mafia HAS membership on the streets! It has to. Once a member of a street gang has been promoted into La Eme that's it, his number one priority is to them. They are more organised than you are giving them credit for.

When they had the conflict with the Mongols the conflict was precisely because MEMBERS of La Eme were signing up for membership of the Outlaw MC without hierachal permission.

Mexican Mafia members and associates have already been arrested for infiltrating Government programs in the California region. it is not a secret. The ship has sailed on this one.

You don't became a multi-million dollar organisation by simply sitting in a joint composing street rhymes on a cigarette paper.

They had to impose their will on these street gangs. They didn't roll over for the fun of it. The Surenos are just lower orders on the food chain and the high command of all these street gangs either answers to or eventually themselves are promoted into the Mexican Mafia.

They control these gangs, so therefore these gangs are simply an extension of wht the Mexican Mafia itself wants to do. This makes them very dangerous. And also very difficult to stop.

The Mexican Mafia alone are one of the most powerful organised crime organisations in America, they own the turf that the street gangs operate on. It belongs to them, therefore the most powerful drug cartels have to work in co-operation with them on the West Coast and at this present moment in time the Mexican drug cartels are human trafficking, guns, arms, narcotics and also exporting drugs to Europe now.



Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 08:23 PM

the mob would never put a hit on a governor because they know it would attract to much attention. That is the reason the mob is so successful
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
the mob would never put a hit on a governor because they know it would attract to much attention. That is the reason the mob is so successful


That's not why they're successful
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 08:29 PM

how would it not be. they don't do hits like that because they know they would get caught and the whole family would fall apart. But street gangs do things like that and that's why they are not as successful as the mob. That's also a reason they've been around so long.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 08:39 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
how would it not be. they don't do hits like that because they know they would get caught and the whole family would fall apart. But street gangs do things like that and that's why they are not as successful as the mob. That's also a reason they've been around so long.


Name one street gang that has assassinated a Governor or someone of a similar stature. Even if they did do this how many do you think would be prosecuted ? I accept it may be a contributing factor but it's not the reason they're successful.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 08:44 PM

im sure many would be prosecuted if they killed a governor. Its not the only reason they're successful but definitely one of the main reasons.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 08:53 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
im sure many would be prosecuted if they killed a governor. Its not the only reason they're successful but definitely one of the main reasons.


Would it be that different from a large rico case with loads of defendants that the mob seemingly always bounce back from though? Is there any examples of street gangs doing this or were you just throwing that out there?
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 09:00 PM

he said they put out a hit for the governor. the mob would never even consider it
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 09:10 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
he said they put out a hit for the governor. the mob would never even consider it


I never said they would've. What did you mean by street gangs do this type of thing ? Sorry for constantly asking but you haven't answered and i'd like to know what you meant.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 09:53 PM

i just answered it on the first sentence
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 10:18 PM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
i just answered it on the first sentence


The mexican mafia are a prison gang i didn't think you were referencing what he said. Fair enough though has anyone got any sources of this he pretty much just said they did without saying when or which governor it was.
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 10:24 PM

But LCN has been badly hurt by RICO cases to the extent where they've taken a pro-active hands off approach to carrying out hits. Take some of the ruthless maneuvers that have caused La Eme to be perceived as monsters in the press. Look at the La Eme hit where the psychotic hitmen massacwent as far as to kill a baby. LCN would never hire someone as unprofessional as some nut job meth head junkie.

There's no denying that law enforcement pressure has taken its toll on LCN and forced them to rethink their game. That is why an air of semi-legitamacy is important but as the Italian community has long been settled in the US they aren't going to have an endless stream of die for the cause psychopaths willing to do hard time and put their lives on the line on the streets every day to further their cause.

La Eme has an limitless pool of young, hungry and ambitious stret gang members willing to prove themselves and earn work their way to the top whatever it takes.

All I'm saying is it is unrealistic to expect LCN to be as heavy hitting a force on the streets. When La Eme go to war they are literally going to war themselves. They are killers.

The North East mob Families have tough street enforcers who are dangerous in their own right but not on the scale of the amount of killers La Eme has at its disposal.

Playing it smart, rather than playing it hot headed, certainly has kept the mob going as it would just not have been sustainable with the amount of heat they are getting from the Feds who will be crawling all over them after one whisper on a wiretap.

You don't need to kill to be succesful and in 2012 mob hits are only carried out off the rador, in the joint or as a very and absolute final resort. That's the difference.

Some of these La Eme guys, they don't give a rats arse about the joint, its home from home to them. An Italian family home in New Jersey or South Philly would be like paradise for most street hoods.

LCN have evolved and moved with the times. Slugging it out on the streets and flexing muscles brings heat.
Posted By: NickyEyes1

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 10:27 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
i just answered it on the first sentence


The mexican mafia are a prison gang i didn't think you were referencing what he said. Fair enough though has anyone got any sources of this he pretty much just said they did without saying when or which governor it was.


The Mexican Mafia once gave the green light for a hit on the Governor of California. LCN have no such capability to carry out such an operation in 2012. La Eme have also infiltrated Government programs and have many contacts in very influential Government positions and the magnitude of their connections into organised crime has not really been fully unravelled or exposed.


here you go for the 5th time

i never said they did i said they put out the hit
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 11:02 PM

Well they certainly planned the hit. And this is why La Eme are the last kind of organisation you would want to fight a turf war with:- Deputy DA Frank Johnson put it this way: “They really don’t care if they get caught or not. They do virtually outrageous crimes with impunity.You really get the impression from dealing with these people, whether theyare in prison or out, it’s not much consequence to them.”

It's not that surprising La Eme would pull such a maneuver but it isn't just hearsay, it is common knowledge that the Governor Of California was given the green light at some point and the threat was deemed by law enforcement to be credible:-' THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT, BY THE MID-1990S, MEXICAN MAFIA MEMBERS had plotted to kill the governor of California.“To date, the SIU has received several reports indicating that theMexican Mafia prison gang,‘EME,’ may be involved in a plot to assassinateGovernor [Pete] Wilson.” That is an intelligence bulletin from the California Highway Patrol,Special Investigations Unit (which handles security for the governor) thatwas issued September 7, 1995, to numerous law enforcement agencies.

This is old news but I did manage to dig out a reference to the plan. A whole Chapter in Boxer Enriquez's diaries of his time in La Eme is devoted to it. Read it for yourself for more detail:- http://www.scribd.com/doc/78189102/The-Black-Hand
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 11:10 PM

It was all to do with politics, as in suit and tie election speech politics this time and the governor’s campaign was considered race-baiting by La Eme.

Proposition 187 seriously angered a number of Mafia members, and this provoked a confrontation and alot of hostlility within the ranks. As such, the Governor Of California became a credible target.
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 11:17 PM

Not too fond of Cops either. Another green light was put out in recent times this time on a Sheriff. That they are volatile enough to target law enforcement or Government officials is beyond doubt:- "A plot to assassinate Sheriff Joe Arpaio by the Mexican Mafia was broken up by sheriff's deputies a few days ago. The plot was to have an inmate, Samuel Matta, who was furious about having some of his illegal alien family members deported from Arizona by the sheriff, carry out the act. Matta attempted to get out of the jail on bail at which point he would use a high powered rifle to shoot the sheriff in a public setting. The plot was foiled by deputies after an investigation that began in March 2012".

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003543.html
Posted By: m2w

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/11/12 11:37 PM

the mexican mafia vs. lcn is just a no sense they are active in very diverse locations
in los angeles the lcn is very small in new york mexican mafia doesn't exist at all
Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/12/12 12:08 AM

Well, fine but the point is it is the Mexcian Mafia's priority to maintain a stranglehold on the streets.

LCN no longer have any desire to flex their muscles on the street and it is unlikely that they have in their membership a realistic capacity.

Times change and La Eme may be a different organised crime threat with different sets of priorities but they are alot more sophisticated and organised than they are being given credit for.

They are not as organised as Russian or Italian Families but then different ball parks, different strategy and a different set of rules.

The only point I am making is that LCN arely carries out hits anymore. There are no modern day Roy De Meos or Nicky Scarfo's anymore. The Philly war with Merlino was the last real North East confrontation I can think of. I think apart from the Ray Martarano hit there have only been at most two others in a decade in Philly, and the Philly mob have been the most volatile for killings in recent years outside Canada. In the US a mob hit is a rare thing these days.

La Eme has killed more people in one week. Probably even in one neighbourhood. Scrap that on one block.

The days where LCN whack degenerates and hoods to send out a message has gone. To La Eme that brutality is the fundamental key component of their strength. Without it they would be nothing. That, in a nutshell, is my point.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/12/12 12:25 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
i just answered it on the first sentence


The mexican mafia are a prison gang i didn't think you were referencing what he said. Fair enough though has anyone got any sources of this he pretty much just said they did without saying when or which governor it was.


The Mexican Mafia once gave the green light for a hit on the Governor of California. LCN have no such capability to carry out such an operation in 2012. La Eme have also infiltrated Government programs and have many contacts in very influential Government positions and the magnitude of their connections into organised crime has not really been fully unravelled or exposed.


here you go for the 5th time

i never said they did i said they put out the hit


Please read what you respond to before you do. In my last comment i was saying it was unclear to me whether you were referencing Sean in your initial comment or not. 5th time or not though you've still ignored your initial point that's why they're successful.

Sorry for derailing this thread....
Posted By: azguy

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/29/12 05:57 PM

I had heard that the Arches in Newport Beach was mobbed up when I lived there in the late 90's. I was looking for someone to take some recreational football action and was referred to a bartender at this place. I walked in there and it looked and felt mobbed up. I connected with the bartender I was suppose to and we were in business. Wouldn't take more than $100 a game until we "understood" each other.

After a while I asked him how he could just "work" from behind this bar and he said "you're from back east, you know the deal".

The owner was italian, if that means anything...
Posted By: Antonio

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 10/29/12 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: SEAN_SOUTH
Well, fine but the point is it is the Mexcian Mafia's priority to maintain a stranglehold on the streets.

LCN no longer have any desire to flex their muscles on the street and it is unlikely that they have in their membership a realistic capacity.

Times change and La Eme may be a different organised crime threat with different sets of priorities but they are alot more sophisticated and organised than they are being given credit for.

They are not as organised as Russian or Italian Families but then different ball parks, different strategy and a different set of rules.

The only point I am making is that LCN arely carries out hits anymore. There are no modern day Roy De Meos or Nicky Scarfo's anymore. The Philly war with Merlino was the last real North East confrontation I can think of. I think apart from the Ray Martarano hit there have only been at most two others in a decade in Philly, and the Philly mob have been the most volatile for killings in recent years outside Canada. In the US a mob hit is a rare thing these days.

La Eme has killed more people in one week. Probably even in one neighbourhood. Scrap that on one block.

The days where LCN whack degenerates and hoods to send out a message has gone. To La Eme that brutality is the fundamental key component of their strength. Without it they would be nothing. That, in a nutshell, is my point.


Well put, I agree with many of your points. However the LCN you speak of is the one in the US, the Italian-American Mafia. LCN in Canada right now as you are probably fully aware of is in the middle of a full scale Mafia war. Who their enemies are is unclear still but many think it's the 'Ndrangheta or Calabrian Mafia from Ontario and NY. The point is in America they are purely just about making cash without the slightest possible interference. So yes, in that sense they have adapted. Now the mob in the US hardly even go after rats anymore I don't think, there was that Chris Paciello guy who is free on the loose now in Miami, a rat bastard. If that was anywhere else apart from the US though, be it Canada, Europe e.t.c. the guy would probably be dead by now.
Posted By: JMigliore

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/03/13 08:14 PM

Charles Migliore was my grandfather. Where did you find this information? It's nothing the family doesn't know. It was published in the newspaper when Jimmy the Weasel spilled his guts. He was a close friend of the family. I thought any record of that publication had been lost. Thank you.
Posted By: azguy

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/03/13 08:20 PM

Originally Posted By: JMigliore
Charles Migliore was my grandfather. Where did you find this information? It's nothing the family doesn't know. It was published in the newspaper when Jimmy the Weasel spilled his guts. He was a close friend of the family. I thought any record of that publication had been lost. Thank you.


wow, welcome ! Is there anything you can share with us about your grandfather. WE are all interested in learning about the LA family...
Posted By: southend

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/03/13 08:26 PM

good chart fellas
Posted By: HairyKnuckles

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/03/13 10:12 PM

Originally Posted By: JMigliore
Charles Migliore was my grandfather. Where did you find this information? It's nothing the family doesn't know. It was published in the newspaper when Jimmy the Weasel spilled his guts. He was a close friend of the family. I thought any record of that publication had been lost. Thank you.


I guess the question is directed at me since I was the one who mentioned Charles Migliore. The info is from an old FBI document I have in my possession. It´s on the LA Mafia Family.
Posted By: stern49

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/04/13 01:52 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
the mob would never put a hit on a governor because they know it would attract to much attention. That is the reason the mob is so successful


Agreed! the la eme never put a hit on the Governor. They may have talked about how they would like to whack him, but that's about all they did. Was he talking about Governor Brown? He's the new Governor of Cal.

La Eme are very violent and they are ruthless, but only behind bars. They don't have the power on the streets. These street gangs are dumb, being conned by a bunch of cons, I mean come on, at least 95% of Mexican Mafia members will never see daylight again, and these sureno street gangs are afraid not to kick up money to them or follow orders, because they could get whacked. All those Southern Cal street gangs could get together and decide not to be pushed around like rag dolls, but they are too afraid. Typical for gangbanger cowards.

On the chart of Italian mob members in L.A., that is a great list, but I believe Craig Anthony Fiato was born in 1944, noT 1949.
Posted By: Skinny

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/04/13 02:16 AM

Gangs in general are goin downhill. I used to work with a guy who was a LK who i got to be pretty good friends with. He actually switched over from somd sureno (in Lompac CA) set when he was younger. His best explination of it was both gangs were a bunch of mexicans running around like assholes. He never kicked up nothin to noone,the most important thing is show the most senior guys respect, which i guess puts them above the bloods and crips lol I just figured theyd be more organized...
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/04/13 02:47 AM

Speaking of the LA family (thanks to kevlar for originally posting this)...



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Posted By: Skinny

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/04/13 02:51 AM

Is that Rosario's son?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/04/13 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinny
Is that Rosario's son?


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Re: Los Angeles LCN Family chart - 01/04/13 03:18 AM

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