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Posted By: LuanKuci

KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/22/11 08:32 PM

Just checking. 50\50...

Michael V. Badalucco - released on 04-12-2011
Vincent F. Civella - released on 09-25-2011
Gerlarmo Cammisano - inc., release date: 03-03-2012
William D. Cammisano - inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James L. DiCapo - inc., release date: 04-26-2014 (?!?)
Michael J. Lombardo - in transit\inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James J. Moretina - in., release date 04-29-2012
Michael C. Sansone - no info found, he's gotta be out too.
Anthony V. Sansone - released on 06-23-2011
Charles J. Simone - released on 06-03-2011
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/22/11 08:43 PM

If anybody's interested here's a summary of the case.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2011/dicapo.sen.html
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/22/11 10:46 PM

Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 07:33 AM

Originally Posted By: flamingokid123
Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City?


No, Kansas City was it's own family. But they, like other families west of Chicago, were answerable to the Outfit.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 07:38 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: flamingokid123
Was the Kansas city family, just an extension of the Chicago Outfit. I was always curious about why Kansas City?


No, Kansas City was it's own family. But they, like other families west of Chicago, were answerable to the Outfit.


What about today? Are they on their own? Or do they kick some money up to Chicago for protection?

I read somewhere that St. Louis is just like that today.
Posted By: BarrettM

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 07:47 AM

KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers.

Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places.

EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something.

Quote:
With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 08:13 AM

Originally Posted By: BarrettM
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers.

Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places.

EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something.

Quote:
With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.


Thanks for the info Barrett.
For some reason, I'm trying to dig into these Mid-West families.

Kansas City has been showing signs of activity. There was a bg discussion not long ago btw Ivy and joe_dice over the guys over there. Definitely not the 6th family...but still hanging.

What about St. Louis?
I couldn't find anything reliable on-line. What you'll find is either super outdated or simply made up.


Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 08:33 AM

Chicago is really the only viable family left outside of the northeast. There isn't enough left in Kansas City or St. Louis for them to be concerned with. And the Outfit doesn't operate that much outside of Chicago anyway.
Posted By: furio_from_naples

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 09:29 AM



http://realdealmafia.com/stlouischart.html

Boss: Anthony "Nino" Parrino - Age: 71, Installed: October 1997

Underboss: Vincent "Vince" Giordano - Age 70's, Likely replaced Joseph Cammarata


“Consigliere: Giacomo "Jackie" Parrino - Age: 75, Made: 1999, Installed: 2001

Capos/Street BossesCapo: Vincent "Shotgun Vinny" Cammarata - Age: 54, Nephew of Joseph Cammarata

Capo: Frank "Big Frank" Palozzolo - Age: 62, Made: 1981

Soldiers
Joseph "Uncle Joe/Joe C" Cammarata - Age: 83, Underboss/Semi-retired
Fernando "Nondo" Bartolotta - Age: 50, Made in 1981 with Frank Palozzolo and Matthew Trupiano
Antonio "Tonio" Lopiccolo - Age 53, Eastside Operator
Philip "Philly" Palozzolo - Age: 55, Brother of Frank Palozzolo
Michael "Mike" Palozzolo - Age: ?, Brother of Frank Palozzolo
Richard "Rich" Bommarito - Age: 58
Joseph "Joe" Bommarito - Age: ?
Anthony "Tony Olives" Olivastro - Age: 62
Joseph Panneri - Age: 44
James Catellano - Age: 56
Anthony "Tony L" Lopiparo - Age: 50
Anthony "Tony" Tocco - Age: 55, Son of Associate Peter Tocco
Joseph "Joe" Tocco - Age:?, Official in LIUNA Local 53
Angelo Copo - Age:39, Sicilian Soldier/Semi-independent
Benedetto Geremia - Age: 63, Sicilian Soldier/Semi-independent
AssociatesPeter Tocco - Age: 78
Anthony James Lopiparo, Jr - Age: 70
Daniel Drago - Associate of Bartolotta
Leo Pisciotta - Relative of former Conigliere Joseph Pisciotta
Leo Bartolotta - Age: 46, Brother of Fernando and son of Salvatore "The Tailor" Bartolotta
Thomas Consiglio - Associate of Bartolotta
Timothy Hinton - Age: 30's, Associate of Bartolotta
Robert Trask - Age: 35, Associate of Bartolotta

http://americanmafia.com/Cities/St_Louis.html

“Not that the so-called mob here was any great shakes. It was strictly minor league,” stated one police officer, asking not to be identified. “We never had mainliners; here they came under the jurisdiction of Chicago. Even Kansas City had more of a mob, and more muscle than St. Louis.”
– St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 19, 1997.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 09:18 PM

That chart was made by salviardi, a poster on the Real Deal who doesn't come around anymore. Not sure where he got all those names but I look at it the same way I look at a Milwaukee chart (showing 30+ members) that another old poster named MilwaukeeVince made.

The FBI had St. Louis at about 35 made members in the 1960s, then 17 members in 1980, less than 10 members in the late 1980's. IThere are only 4 or 5 identifiable members today. And you have to go back 20 years for the last news from there, which is when Trupiano was busted for running a card game on union time.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/23/11 10:58 PM

That list on St. Louis seems way out of figure, and who's that guy Nino Parrino?

Kansas City is a dozen or so guys running illegal bookmaking and not paying taxes on earnings. Mob type activity doesn't necessarily mean a Mafia like organized crime operation
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/27/11 03:20 AM

Kansas city is somewhere between a family and a crew, they have a boss and underboss and about 13 or 14 made guys. They still conduct business other than just bookmaking, but it is limited and low key at best. They have been tied to an Arson for profit case involving the Hereford steak house, Vincent Pisciotta and Mark Sorrentino have been indicted. Of course they run the strip clubs here in town, and do a little sharking and a little contruction bid rigging.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/27/11 06:13 AM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Kansas city is somewhere between a family and a crew, they have a boss and underboss and about 13 or 14 made guys. They still conduct business other than just bookmaking, but it is limited and low key at best. They have been tied to an Arson for profit case involving the Hereford steak house, Vincent Pisciotta and Mark Sorrentino have been indicted. Of course they run the strip clubs here in town, and do a little sharking and a little contruction bid rigging.


J.J. Sciortino is the reputed skip, right?
Who's # 2?

Thanks for the info Joey.
Interesting indeed.
Posted By: Palomita20

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/27/11 04:35 PM

Originally Posted By: BarrettM
KC is interesting! John Lazia especially, and they were the closest thing the mafia had to regular bank robbers.

Yes and no, Luan. They shared in the Las Vegas casino skimming just like Milwaukee and I'm sure they were extra generous. Under Accardo they deferred to the outfit. But these days, I highly doubt John DiFronzo cares. I would imagine he try to distance himself from outside mafia activity and stick to making his organization more legitimate by the day. That's just the way to drag yourself back in. Furthermore, thanks to general attrition they don't have the kind of authority to try that out. And you'd be collecting from an organization which at the time had no one on the street, halfway across the country. Earlier than DiFronzo...I doubt Sam Carlisi cared. He's in an interesting position because he's traveled all over the country as a courier, I'm sure he met with KC guys, but he and Marcello and all the other Cicero guys were mostly just interested in local money and firebombing the hell out of places.

EDIT: Just found this on wiki. Only the NY articles are generally reliable, but it might mean something.

Quote:
With Civella's conviction in 1983, Cammisano became the new leader of the Kansas City organization. Because of the unfavorable publicity of recent criminal trials, the Chicago Outfit officially disowned Kansas City as an affiliate. This gave Cammisano the opportunity to establish new operations in California, Florida and Washington, D.C without Outfit approval or interference. This expansion reinvigorated the Kansas city organization.


eek rolleyes lol grin
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/27/11 09:49 PM

The underboss is Pete Simone, he handles most of the day to day. His son Joe Simone is suspected in a casino murder here in town. Joe Simone owns several dance clubs in town and moves a lot of X through the clubs along with powder.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/27/11 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Just checking. 50\50...

Michael V. Badalucco - released on 04-12-2011
Vincent F. Civella - released on 09-25-2011
Gerlarmo Cammisano - inc., release date: 03-03-2012
William D. Cammisano - inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James L. DiCapo - inc., release date: 04-26-2014 (?!?)
Michael J. Lombardo - in transit\inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James J. Moretina - in., release date 04-29-2012
Michael C. Sansone - no info found, he's gotta be out too.
Anthony V. Sansone - released on 06-23-2011
Charles J. Simone - released on 06-03-2011



Dicapo got more time because he was also convicted of trafficing in counterfit merchanise like Prada purses, they found 400,000 dollars worth of the fake merchandise when they conducted the gambling raid. He pled guilty to both.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/28/11 03:23 AM

Wow. You seem to know a lot about these guys...
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/28/11 07:08 PM

I grew up with them in the Neighborhood, went to school with some and have met others through friends and I have done business with some others over the years. My Uncle was a made guy with the Civella crew back in the Nick Civella era, did time for Corky Civella in 81. My father, uncle and I used to go to the city market and visit Nicks fruit market when I was real young, always got great oranges LOL. My uncle name is Paul Varsalona.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/28/11 08:17 PM

Joey, what about the Galloping Goose MC, how does KC's gambling rackets interfere with the KC family and the notorious motorcycle gang?
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/28/11 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
I grew up with them in the Neighborhood, went to school with some and have met others through friends and I have done business with some others over the years. My Uncle was a made guy with the Civella crew back in the Nick Civella era, did time for Corky Civella in 81. My father, uncle and I used to go to the city market and visit Nicks fruit market when I was real young, always got great oranges LOL. My uncle name is Paul Varsalona.


WOW.
I bet this expains it all.
Nice.
Let's keep an eye on this guys then.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/28/11 11:56 PM

Right now the Gooses are dorment, with a large number of them in prison for a meth bust about 2 years ago. I know they moved their clubhouse off of quinot and moved it above knucklheads bar about 5 blocks from the old clubhouse. Their brother club the El Forastero was also hit hard in th emeth bust but I am seeing more and more in the area. Their clubhouse is at the Northern end of the "little Italy" part of town which we call the northeast area. The family and the club really have no overlapping areas of interest. The club does not run a book operation and the family deals narcotics throuh the Mexicans and the blacks for the most part. Some of the younger members of the family deal X and powder but i would not say its a family operation so to speak.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/29/11 06:21 AM

Is Columbus Park still Italian? I mean social life, social clubs, etc...

I was in St. Louis two years ago and I was amazed by the social life they have over there.
Compared to where I live it's even MORE Italian. And we have a lot of them in MI, more than MO.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/29/11 04:48 PM

Columbas park is still Italian but the Asians are moving in. There are still several Italian businesses there with connections. Garrozo's resturant, Lasale deli and Jimmy Moretina's pizza and bar is located there. They stopped using socail clubs when the trap located at 5th and troost was wire tapped and resulted in several convictions, it was known as the trap but it was offically the Northside Social club. Most family business is now conducted north of downtown in North KC, this is where they all live now days and they own numberous businesses up there, its in clay county not jackson county and it is where a lot of the Italians from the old neighborhood moved when the moulies and Asians started moving in. The river market, formally known as the river quey is alive and well and the family has a lot of businesses there mostly bars and resurants.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/29/11 06:38 PM

Joey Dice, thanks a million man, you're the Ivy of the KC situation. Though I've always believed there's no way in hell that the KC 'crew' has more than 20 operating guys.

Oh, and thanks a MILLION for the Galloping Goose info. Recently been fascinated by them, though they started in LA until going out to KC, until I watched Gangland, lol....
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/29/11 07:55 PM

Thanks Joey. Great info.
KC, like every smaller family, has always interested me.

Is Pete Simone in Kc, or does he spend more time in Vegas?
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/30/11 12:59 AM

He is spending a lot more time in KC these days. Especially with Willie, Jimmy, Jerry and Mike still locked up.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/30/11 01:01 AM

The number of made guys probably does not exceed 15 and some arnt operating, but they still have a strong network of associates, I would put that number around 50. Some of the associates are very active others marginally active.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 09/30/11 11:13 PM

KC crew it is.
Posted By: BarrettM

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 07:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Palomita20

eek rolleyes lol grin


Riveting tale, man.

If the KC family is the KC crew, then where does that leave the Giordano Family of St. Louis? About the size of Buffalo?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 08:34 AM

Originally Posted By: BarrettM

If the KC family is the KC crew, then where does that leave the Giordano Family of St. Louis? About the size of Buffalo?


There are only about 4 or 5 made guys left in St. Louis. Buffalo still has a couple dozen, probably because it's in the northeast more than anything.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 08:56 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: BarrettM

If the KC family is the KC crew, then where does that leave the Giordano Family of St. Louis? About the size of Buffalo?


There are only about 4 or 5 made guys left in St. Louis. Buffalo still has a couple dozen, probably because it's in the northeast more than anything.



Great info...thanks.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 10:29 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague


There are only about 4 or 5 made guys left in St. Louis. Buffalo still has a couple dozen, probably because it's in the northeast more than anything.



4 or 5 guys out committing crimes to make a living or 4 or 5 guys who are made but live in a nursing home?

I've always though of Buffalo has a continuing operating family, the Detroit of the the Northeast. Is there truth to this?
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 10:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Nicholas

4 or 5 guys out committing crimes to make a living or 4 or 5 guys who are made but live in a nursing home?

I've always though of Buffalo has a continuing operating family, the Detroit of the the Northeast. Is there truth to this?


4 or 5 guys total. How active any of them are is certainly questionable. There really hasn't been a mob case there in 20 years.

There's been a handful of cases in Buffalo over the last decade. But involving a guy here or a couple guys there. More like individuals committing crimes than a cohesive family. I'd put them right behind Detroit, which isn't in a whole lot better shape.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 06:52 PM

So power-wise (approx.), can we list them like this?

"The Small LCN Crime Families Club of America"

- NJ - DeCavalcante: 35 made guys, 150 associates.
- MA, RI - Patriarca: 30 made guys, 100-150 associates.
- PA, NJ - Bruno: 25 made guys, 100 associates.
- MI, OH - Tocco: 15-20 made guys, 80-100 associates.
- NY - Magaddino: 15 made guys, 50 associates.
- MO, NV - Civella: 12 made guys, 30-50 associates.
- OH - Licavoli: 10 made guys, ?? associates.
- MO - Giordano: 10 made guys, 10-15 associates.
- PA - LaRocca: 5 made guys, 10 associates.
- FL - Trafficante: most likely absorbed by NYC families.
- WI - Balestrieri: possibly absorbed by Chicago.

What do you guys say?
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 09:57 PM

I'd say DeCavalcante's are a little bigger, at least in made guys. Same with the New England, Patriarca-Boston-Providence family.

Bruno? You mean the Philly family? I'd say definitely bigger than that. Same with the Toccos, except not by much than your estimate.

St. Louis/Giordano's most likely ain't around anymore.
Trafficante has been basically a Gambino crew for decades, any indigenous Florida family has become a New York operation since Donnie Brasco was undercover.

Speaking of Detroit, I saw Scott Burnstein on a Gangland episode regarding a Black hitmen gang, the 'Best Friends', hilariously named, but his estimates of him over sizing the Detroit family has probably far more to do with him being from The Big D, than his fanboyism of Italian-American organized crime. Speaking of, I was surprised to see his complexion, is he half-black?
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/01/11 10:06 PM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

- OH - Licavoli: 10 made guys, ?? associates.

What do you guys say?


It's about 30 made guys and associates, total, in Cleveland. Some of them aren't active.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/02/11 02:13 AM

Well by membership, I mean active ones.
Thos in the can who are about to come out in the next two\five years...OK...but those that will be out in a decade I consider'em non-street-active.

Thanks for the updates tho.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/02/11 04:03 AM

Wait...so NJ, New England and Philly have more than that?
I always thought they were smaller.
So kinda like 45 made guys? ALL active? Hard to believe.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/02/11 07:04 AM

New Jersey, you're right though about actually. I've always though the DeCavalcantes to be bigger because of so many families being in New Jersey. Everything to the notorious Lucchese crew (which the idiots Casso and Amuso helped to deteriorate) to some Philly guys.

New England has the two large cities and Connecticut to support numbers. Though I'd say Philly has at least 50 made guys, quite a bit in prison
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/02/11 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
So power-wise (approx.), can we list them like this?

"The Small LCN Crime Families Club of America"

- NJ - DeCavalcante: 35 made guys, 150 associates.
- MA, RI - Patriarca: 30 made guys, 100-150 associates.
- PA, NJ - Bruno: 25 made guys, 100 associates.
- MI, OH - Tocco: 15-20 made guys, 80-100 associates.
- NY - Magaddino: 15 made guys, 50 associates.
- MO, NV - Civella: 12 made guys, 30-50 associates.
- OH - Licavoli: 10 made guys, ?? associates.
- MO - Giordano: 10 made guys, 10-15 associates.
- PA - LaRocca: 5 made guys, 10 associates.
- FL - Trafficante: most likely absorbed by NYC families.
- WI - Balestrieri: possibly absorbed by Chicago.

What do you guys say?


As far as I'm concerned, the only viable families left outside New York, which meet the RICO standard, are Chicago, New England, Philadelphia, and New Jersey - and probably in that order. Each of them have approximately 50 total members, give or take.

The rest don't really meet the RICO standard anymore - an ongoing pattern of activity in behalf of an organization. And New Jersey is getting to that point it seems.

What's left of the families in Buffalo and Detroit is maybe a couple dozen members each. But with the rest you're looking at maybe a dozen guys or less.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/02/11 07:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Ivan


It's about 30 made guys and associates, total, in Cleveland. Some of them aren't active.


In Cleveland it's under 10 now. Nowhere near 30.

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Wait...so NJ, New England and Philly have more than that?
I always thought they were smaller.
So kinda like 45 made guys? ALL active? Hard to believe.


Yes, each of them have as many as 50 total made members. But that doesn't mean all are active. It includes active, inactive, and in prison. it's easier to go with total figures because the number of active guys is constantly changing.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 01:44 AM

That figure of 30 for Cleveland includes every bookmaker, loan shark, and the like affiliated with the "family". The actual number of active made guys is like 5 or so.

I'm told it's about 30 guys total if you include EVERYONE - any made members and associates, active or inactive. The "family" is tiny and doesn't do much.

I didn't mean 30 made guys; that would be ridiculous.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 03:54 AM

@Ivy
Thank you for the info man.
Still 50 made guys ain't that bad (even is some are in the can and others retired in FL).
I always pictured those families in a smaller scale.

@Ivan
Yeah, that's more like it.
30 in total is still impressive for Cleveland.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 04:19 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

@Ivan
Yeah, that's more like it.
30 in total is still impressive for Cleveland.


This info comes from a friend who knows those people, though he was closer to the Youngstown gangsters.

Cleveland is basically a loose network of people (gamblers, etc) who know each other. They aren't anywhere near a real family anymore. There is still a tiny made guy presence (as opposed to Youngstown, which has zero made guys left), but their status doesn't mean much, if anything. And this is a really loose definition of "associate".
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 05:11 AM

Originally Posted By: Ivan
Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

@Ivan
Yeah, that's more like it.
30 in total is still impressive for Cleveland.


This info comes from a friend who knows those people, though he was closer to the Youngstown gangsters.

Cleveland is basically a loose network of people (gamblers, etc) who know each other. They aren't anywhere near a real family anymore. There is still a tiny made guy presence (as opposed to Youngstown, which has zero made guys left), but their status doesn't mean much, if anything. And this is a really loose definition of "associate".

Good info. Thanks.
I was always told that Youngstown was in better shape compared to Cleveland...now I know.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 06:07 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

I was always told that Youngstown was in better shape compared to Cleveland...now I know.


This is likely due to the city's reputation having a kind of momentum behind it. There are of course bookies and loansharks in Youngstown, but there are NO made guys in charge of everything left. None.

The Youngstown Mafia is gone gone, like Dallas.

Edit: I suppose it is possible that someone operating in Youngstown answers to a made guy in Cleveland, but I doubt it and haven't heard anything about that. Also, Buffalo and Detroit are said to have had interests there in the past, but I strongly doubt they still do. Also, it's important to note that was never a separate Youngstown family. (Unless there was a cell there in the early years that was absorbed/wiped out, similar to the traditional Mafia in Chicago, but I've never read or heard anything like that.)
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 07:02 AM

We're rollin'...keep it coming!

Any recent news about the DeCavalcante.
I read somewhere that Francesco Guarraci had some troubles in '10 and was indicted for an allegded extortion attempt.
He got free on bail.

Any news?

What the up-to-date hieracy?
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 07:50 PM

Any news from down south?
Who's Florida main guy?
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/03/11 11:20 PM

Florida family is done, defunct, though the New York families operate down there.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 12:20 AM

Originally Posted By: NickyScarfo
Florida family is done, defunct, though the New York families operate down there.


Well, that's what I meant.
I posted before that the Tampa mob was completly absorbed by NYC families.

I mean: who is the main NYC\LCN\whatever guy down there?
And which family crew has the more influence?
Posted By: NickyScarfo

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 12:31 AM

I'm not sure atm but possibly the Gambino's have a stronger presence than the others down there.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 12:56 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
We're rollin'...keep it coming!

Any recent news about the DeCavalcante.
I read somewhere that Francesco Guarraci had some troubles in '10 and was indicted for an allegded extortion attempt.
He got free on bail.

Any news?


Frank Guaracci, who was labeled as the acting boss, and 2 other guys were charged in February 2010 with extortion of a pizza shop. The owner had recently died and it was basically a case of them coming in and looking to take the place over.

Here's an article -

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/head_of_mob_crime_family_nj_ma.html

Quote:
What the up-to-date hieracy?


John Riggi is still the official boss and is due out of prison next year. He's 86. Joseph Miranda is the last identified underboss. He may not be very active anymore. He's 87. Steve Vitabile, the consigliere, is due out in 2013. He's 78.

It would seem the DeCavalcantes are the next family to pass that line from viable to non-viable. If you take away the big bust over a decade ago now, which stretched from 1999 to 2001, there has been very little activity by the DeCavalcantes. Which isn't surprising since having their boss, 3 acting bosses, their consigliere, 5 captains, 7 soldiers, and several associates indicted in only a few years is devastating for a small family like that.

They lost control of their main source of influence - Laborers Local 394. And what few indictments there have been have involved a few guys here or there involved in sports betting, loansharking, extortion, trafficking in contraband cigarettes and stolen goods, etc.
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 01:06 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

I posted before that the Tampa mob was completly absorbed by NYC families.


In the early 2000's, what remained of the family was working with some of the NY families. I think it got to the point where they were considered to be "with" (or allied) with the Gambinos.

Quote:
I mean: who is the main NYC\LCN\whatever guy down there?
And which family crew has the more influence?


Nicky is right about the Gambinos. They've had the most activity down there over the past decade with cases against Anthony Trentacosta and his crew, Ronnie Trucchio and his crew, Vinny Artuso and his crew, guys from John Gotti Jr.'s crew, as well as the Napoli/Settineri bust, the Moscatiello/Ferrari/Fiorillo bust, and the Basto/Fafone bust.

The Genovese had the Ruggiero crew bust, the indictments/RICO complaint involving the Miami ILA locals, plus a few other busts in New York/New Jersey but extended to guys down in Florida.

The Bonannos had the Graziano/Zancocchio bust, the Chilli crew bust, and the Fiore bust (also part of Chilli's crew).

The Colombos had the Rotunno bust (actually 2 separate ones),and the Dionisio/Locascio bust. Reynold Maragni was also involved in the big NYC bust back in January and was said to be running things for the family in Florida.

The Luccheses have had not much of anything.
Posted By: flamingokid123

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
We're rollin'...keep it coming!

Any recent news about the DeCavalcante.
I read somewhere that Francesco Guarraci had some troubles in '10 and was indicted for an allegded extortion attempt.
He got free on bail.

Any news?


Frank Guaracci, who was labeled as the acting boss, and 2 other guys were charged in February 2010 with extortion of a pizza shop. The owner had recently died and it was basically a case of them coming in and looking to take the place over.

Here's an article -

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/head_of_mob_crime_family_nj_ma.html

Quote:
What the up-to-date hieracy?


John Riggi is still the official boss and is due out of prison next year. He's 8. Joseph Miranda is the last identified underboss. He may not be very active anymore. He's 87. Steve Vitabile, the consigliere, is due out in 2013. He's 78.

It would seem the DeCavalcantes are the next family to pass that line from viable to non-viable. If you take away the big bust over a decade ago now, which stretched from 1999 to 2001, there has been very little activity by the DeCavalcantes. Which isn't surprising since having their boss, 3 acting bosses, their consigliere, 5 captains, 7 soldiers, and several associates indicted in only a few years is devastating for a small family like that.

They lost control of their main source of influence - Laborers Local 394. And what few indictments there have been have involved a few guys here or there involved in sports betting, loansharking, extortion, trafficking in contraband cigarettes and stolen goods, etc.
Thanks for the info about the Decalvacante's. Other than philly, they are my favorite. John Riggi finally getting out. I think they had him in Fort Dix.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 06:14 AM

Wow...great stuff Ivy.
Thanks.

So weird that the oldest crime family in the US is getting closer to bye-bye.
What if a larger family from the other side of the river decides to "merge" them in?
Just like in Tampa...
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 06:21 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci

I was always told that Youngstown was in better shape compared to Cleveland...now I know.


Actually it WAS in better shape than Cleveland from about 1985 to the late 1990s, when the crew self-destructed and the "boss" (he was actually a soldier in the Pittsburgh family) flipped.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 08:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Ivan

Actually it WAS in better shape than Cleveland from about 1985 to the late 1990s, when the crew self-destructed and the "boss" (he was actually a soldier in the Pittsburgh family) flipped.


So you're saying that Youngstown was a crew of Pittsburgh's?
Uh...you don't say.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 09:27 AM

Wasn't Youngstown kind of shared territory between Cleveland and Detroit and hell even Pittsburgh. Though I always though Youngstown had their own family, albeit very small. Though it'd make sense all the wiseguys were actually made in other families.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 06:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicholas
Wasn't Youngstown kind of shared territory between Cleveland and Detroit and hell even Pittsburgh. Though I always though Youngstown had their own family, albeit very small. Though it'd make sense all the wiseguys were actually made in other families.


Kinda like Vegas...even if not as charming!
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/04/11 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicholas
Wasn't Youngstown kind of shared territory between Cleveland and Detroit and hell even Pittsburgh. Though I always though Youngstown had their own family, albeit very small. Though it'd make sense all the wiseguys were actually made in other families.


From what I understand, the area was split between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and Buffalo and Detroit were also said to have interests there.

The Cleveland family's interests were controlled by Tony Dope Delsanter until his death in 1976. He was succeeded by the Carabbia borthers, who were never made AFAIK.

Pittsburgh's interests were under soldier Jimmy Prato.

Youngstown and most of Mahoning County and everything south of it was Pittsburgh's, and the territory to the north was Cleveland's.

Bear in mind that Youngstown is just one part of a very large network of cities and towns that make up the Mahoning Valley "metro" area. Only about 15% of the territory's residents live in Youngstown proper. The city itself is much smaller than you might assume based on its reputation. You can read about the region here.

When the Cleveland family started to fall apart in the early 80s, Pittsburgh snatched away some of the northern Cleveland territory and got its point across by murdering Charles Carabbia and his lieutenant Joe DeRose. Pittsburgh was dominant in the region thereafter.

Around 1987, Prato recommended that his right hand men Joey Naples and Lenine Strollo be made. Youngstown now had 3 made guys. (You may have heard that Dante Strollo and Ernest Biondillo were made; they never were.) Prato died of natural causes, and Naples was killed by a sniper in 1992 (I heard this was because Strollo was going to do some time and wanted to make sure Naples didn't push him out while he was in jail, but I've never been able to confirm this). Youngstown was now down to one made guy.

Around 1996, Strollo lost it and started enthusiastically whacking people he considered a threat. He used a bunch of crackheads to gun down upstart rival Ernest Biondillo, and he had an incorruptible prosecutor shot by an incompetent hitman who botched the job.

Finally the law caught up with Strollo in the late 90s. His brother and underling Dante flipped, and Strollo did thereafter. There were now no made guys left in Youngstown. After Strollo flipped dozens of corrupt officials were convicted, including congressman Jim Traficant.

After that, there wasn't much Youngstown Mafia to speak of. There are still bookmakers and loansharks there, and maybe some honest-to-god mobsters who are not made, but there are no made guys operating there.

While all this was happening, the Pittsburgh family of which Strollo was a member was effectively destroyed through a combination of prosecutions and generational attrition. In fact, the Youngstown crew was one of the few truly active branches of the Pittsburgh family left.

I know nothing about the supposed Buffalo and Detroit interests in Youngstown; I strongly doubt those two fading families still bother with a remote part of Ohio.

I've never heard of an independent Youngstown family, either.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/05/11 02:41 AM

Ivan, the 'Ivyleague' of the Ohio families.

Thanks for the info
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/05/11 02:58 AM

Thanks for the kind words.

You might be interested in this; it's an Ohio mob hit chronology annotated by Angelo Lonardo:

http://www.nevadaobserver.com/Reading%20...20Affidavit.htm

It's funny, when you hear the phrase "Italian Mafia", you probably don't immediately think of Ohio of all places, but in fact it used to be pretty bad here.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/05/11 08:11 AM

Nice Ivan. Really.
Cleveland still has some "thing" closed to be called "an organization" even in smaller numbers.

But Youngstown and Pittsburgh are defunct, right?
Organization-wise I mean. Few bookies, collectors and shylocks don't really count.
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/05/11 08:44 AM

Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
Nice Ivan. Really.
Cleveland still has some "thing" closed to be called "an organization" even in smaller numbers.


I can't really call it an organization. "Network" is more appropriate. Papalardo seems to be more of a "first among equals" than a "boss". This network doesn't really do all that much.

Quote:
But Youngstown and Pittsburgh are defunct, right?
Organization-wise I mean. Few bookies, collectors and shylocks don't really count.


I can't comment on Pittsburgh with any confidence, but in my opinion the family essentially died when Michael Genovese died, despite the fact that there are a handful of 80 year old made guys still alive.

There are no made men operating in Youngstown as far as I know. So yeah, it is gone gone. And Pittsburgh will be gone gone in a few years.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/12/11 10:06 AM

I thought Lenny Stroll was the last of Pittsburgh mafiosi left
Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/12/11 08:31 PM

There's a few made guys left there, although some of these may have died over the past few years since this list was made -

Thomas "Sonny" Ciancutti
Eugene Chiarelli
Nicholas “Nick” DeLucia (Might not be made)
Robert "Bobby I" Ianelli
Anthony Imburgia
Mauro Matone
Posted By: Ivan

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 10/12/11 10:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Nicholas
I thought Lenny Stroll was the last of Pittsburgh mafiosi left


Nope, but he was the last of the Youngstown made guys left.

By the way, I know a guy who insists that the Gambino crime family used to sell illegal fireworks in the Mahoning Valley (decent fireworks are illegal in Ohio), but somehow I doubt that. Strikes me as really really unlikely.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/28/11 01:01 AM

William Cammisano Jr. and Michael Lombardo released to local KC half way house.
Posted By: LuanKuci

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/29/11 07:56 AM

Great udpdate...what's their rank?
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/29/11 03:31 PM

Michael V. Badalucco - released on 04-12-2011
Vincent F. Civella - released on 09-25-2011
Gerlarmo Cammisano - inc., release date: 03-03-2012
William D. Cammisano - inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James L. DiCapo - inc., release date: 04-26-2014 (?!?)
Michael J. Lombardo - in transit\inc., release date: 01-15-2012
James J. Moretina - in., release date 04-29-2012
Michael C. Sansone - no info found, he's gotta be out too.
Anthony V. Sansone - released on 06-23-2011
Charles J. Simone - released on 06-03-2011

Only three of these guys are made and they're William Cammisano, James Moretina and Vince Civella. Mukremin has the real whole chart on KC made guys.

Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/29/11 09:26 PM

William Cammisano Jr is a Capo, Michael Lombardo is an associate. Gerry Cammisano is also made. Murk's chart is very very incorrect, I have tried to give him the information to correct it, but he chooses not to, by Joe Porrello was never a capo, his Dad Angelo was, Nick Labruzza was never made, his brother Vito was, I could go on and on, but whats the point. He lists guys on his chart as made and their not and he does not list guys who are LOL.
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/29/11 10:57 PM

My last Kansas City chart is not accurate, it has some errors. And i also mentioned i would be updating that soon, i am just waiting for more news. As always, priority for me is New York.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 03:28 AM

Not knocking you Murk, but if you need some imput let me know. Jimmy Duardi died last Dec. by the way. Paul Silvio is made and still active.
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:00 AM

Thank you smile i will start to collect information on them, and any help is welcome. I will let you guys know when ready.
Posted By: Nicholas

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 08:59 AM

I checked out all those guys on the BOP Inmate Locator, an awesome service that beats any state operation I've encountered.

I was astounded at the young age of almost half these guys. Granted there's only 10 of them, and that's either the whole operation, a crew in the KC family, or the whole damn family itself.

Michael Badalucco - 28
Vincent Civella - 54
Gerlamo Cammisano - 58
William Cammisano - 62; who's currently held in KC itself at KC CCM
James DiCapo - 59
Michael Lombardo - 56; curiously enough there's also another Michael Lombardo at Sacramento CCM
James Moretina - 62; Moretina is currently at USP Leavenworth, and unusual prison to send such a criminal
Anthony Sansone - 29
Charles J. Simone - 26

I was stunned at the young age of nearly the whole crew. Even the guys out of their 20's are only in their mid-50's. Granted it seems that the guys in their 20's have fathers who were once part of the KC Borgata, but regardless I found it shocking to see so many young guys
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 09:18 AM

Actually Muk's chart is very correct. Mukremin, don't believe everybody that tells you something. If they do tell you a person is made or just an associate of a family make sure you try to check out the facts by doing a search or what ever you can.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 09:42 AM

Also, I love your charts Muk! Keep up the great work.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 12:00 PM

Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
Chicago is really the only viable family left outside of the northeast. There isn't enough left in Kansas City or St. Louis for them to be concerned with. And the Outfit doesn't operate that much outside of Chicago anyway.


You are right about that!
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:21 PM

Sorry dude but you dont know what your talking about. He has dead guys on there, he has 4 capos and KC has two. I saw your stupid post from Merry Ferrell and 3/4 of the names you have on their are dead. Murks charts are good but in this case he has it wrong. Your telling me I am wrong and you live 1000 miles away from here. He does not have Carlo Caverllaro listed, he does not have Paul Silvio, Pete Tamburello listed, he does not have Jerry Cammissano listed, he has Joe Porrello listed as a Capo, his Dad Angelo was the capo, He does not have Frank Termini listed, Jimmy Duardi is dead, Nick Labuzza was never made according to trial transcripts, his brother Vito was, at the time he put the chart out Chuck Caccioppo was still alive and he was not not listed.

Sorry if this sounds like i am an asshole, but when it comes to KC no one on this board knows more about the family then or now than I do, period.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
Sorry dude but you dont know what your talking about. He has dead guys on there, he has 4 capos and KC has two. I saw your stupid post from Merry Ferrell and 3/4 of the names you have on their are dead. Murks charts are good but in this case he has it wrong. Your telling me I am wrong and you live 1000 miles away from here. He does not have Carlo Caverllaro listed, he does not have Paul Silvio, Pete Tamburello listed, he does not have Jerry Cammissano listed, he has Joe Porrello listed as a Capo, his Dad Angelo was the capo, He does not have Frank Termini listed, Jimmy Duardi is dead, Nick Labuzza was never made according to trial transcripts, his brother Vito was, at the time he put the chart out Chuck Caccioppo was still alive and he was not not listed.

Sorry if this sounds like i am an asshole, but when it comes to KC no one on this board knows more about the family then or now than I do, period.


Hey Joe Dice, why don't you go throw some dice? About Angelo Porrelo, you are right, he must have cunfused him for his son Joe, but other then that you're wrong. Please don't disrespect me, I did nothing to you. I live close to where the DeCavalcante's are in Newerk, but don't know everything about them.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:26 PM

Why would you find Leavenworth an unusual prison for a mobster? As for the number there is more than 10 but less than 20 made guys.
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:30 PM

Look, i am not an expert on Kansas City. There isnt much left there anyways, but the information for my chart came from good sources. And i know its hard to make a very very accurate chart, but most of my charts are very accurate at this moment. And so far, no one has made a better one. Except maybe for the Chicago chart on realdeal forum.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:32 PM

True that, Muk.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:36 PM

Seriously you can disrepect me but I am not to disrepct you, lol whatever, okay I will spell it out for you slowly. Jerry Cammissano made in 1987 by his Dad Willie Cammisano. Carlo Caverllaro identified as made in the Sutera trail transcripts, gambling indictments of 1991. Joe Porrello made but incarserated. Frank Termini made in the 70's. Chuck Cacciopo and Tommy Caccioppo made in the 60's. Jimmy Duardi died Dec 2010. Paul Silvio made in the 60's business partner of Nick and Tony Civella, Antonios Pizzaria and Pink Garter strip club. Pete Tamburello, made in the 60's, Nick Civella's driver and body guard. Nick Labruzza listed in trial transcripts as an associate to the family. So piss off, take your outdated research and shut up because you dont know what your fucking talking about.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:39 PM

Murk I am not bagging on your chart, just trying to get you updated information, if you want it great if not then I could careless, but your cheerleader is the one making this an issue. So could you please tell her to put the pom poms away.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:40 PM

1. Duardi - You are right

2. Joseph Porello - You are right, he is a soldier and the son of dead capo Angelo.

But your other info is not factual at all, Mukremin did a great job and has got the info from pretty good sources.

Your the one who is acting like a bitch.. You're a fag!

Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:43 PM

okay whatever sweetie pie.
Posted By: NJBoy55

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:47 PM

You would run from me if you saw me in person. You are nothing but a computer tough guy. Now he wants to get on your good side Muk, two people against him was too much. What a coward and Wannabe!!
Posted By: Mukremin

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:54 PM

Guys.. Please.. We can get along, this is a good thing we have different ideas. But lets not get it out of control please.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 07:56 PM

Wait a second, you saying I am an internet tough guy, yet your threatening me LOL. Why arnt you in school because you cant be more than 15, so why dont you be a good little girl and clean your room and stay off the internet where adults converse.
Posted By: SC

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 08:03 PM

Stop it NOW!! Both of you are being warned about this pissing contest. STOP IT NOW.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 11/30/11 09:09 PM

Murk, here is a link to an FBI report that will list Pete Tamberello, the Cacioppo's, Charles Bengimina (who is still active owns B&G Amusement and vending) along with a lot of people who have passed as made members, it also has a list of suspected made and associates. Combining this list with personal information from the neighborhood Paul Silvio is made.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do;jsessionid=6B33EEFEE48A646EE4461F63F1AE20F0?docId=113072&relPageId=14
Posted By: BlackJack21

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 12/04/11 09:44 PM

Originally Posted By: joey_dice
William Cammisano Jr is a Capo, Michael Lombardo is an associate. Gerry Cammisano is also made. Murk's chart is very very incorrect, I have tried to give him the information to correct it, but he chooses not to, by Joe Porrello was never a capo, his Dad Angelo was, Nick Labruzza was never made, his brother Vito was, I could go on and on, but whats the point. He lists guys on his chart as made and their not and he does not list guys who are LOL.


Can you post some proof to Gerry ever being made? I'm from KC and never once did anybody I know who knows about our small branch of LCN ever talk about him being no more than an associate. I do agree about Angelo, he was a capo. Also, are you sure you're from KC? we just call the Italian neighborhood "Little Italy," even though some call it "Colombus Park."

I saw Mukremin's chart and it looks pretty spot on other then Joe P being a capo.
Posted By: joey_dice

Re: KC guys out...(almost)... - 12/05/11 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: BlackJack21
Originally Posted By: joey_dice
William Cammisano Jr is a Capo, Michael Lombardo is an associate. Gerry Cammisano is also made. Murk's chart is very very incorrect, I have tried to give him the information to correct it, but he chooses not to, by Joe Porrello was never a capo, his Dad Angelo was, Nick Labruzza was never made, his brother Vito was, I could go on and on, but whats the point. He lists guys on his chart as made and their not and he does not list guys who are LOL.


Am I from Kansas City hahah, well I guess I will spell it out for you. The North East area which was populated by Italians is now being populated by Muslims

Can you post some proof to Gerry ever being made? I'm from KC and never once did anybody I know who knows about our small branch of LCN ever talk about him being no more than an associate. I do agree about Angelo, he was a capo. Also, are you sure you're from KC? we just call the Italian neighborhood "Little Italy," even though some call it "Colombus Park."

I saw Mukremin's chart and it looks pretty spot on other then Joe P being a capo.


Am I from Kansas City hahah, well I guess I will spell it out for you. The North East area which was populated by Italians is now being populated by Muslims, Shemeicas is now some African Market, J-mart now resides where the Villa Capri Pizza and cocktrail longue once set. Sun auto at 8th and Prospect which was run by Joe Vig and Cammisano is now closed, no need to launder money I guess. AJ's Bar is still open even though he is now in business with Joe Palmentere, Chubbys on the ave burned down and is now homne to the social security office, Lets now talk about Columas park, Jenne's is now an Asian Market, it is more Asian than Italian, the old social club had the top 3 floors removed. Lasalles still makes the best subs, Don Bossco is still going strong, Jimmy Moretina is now selling Pizza out of the Caddy Shack, its called Moretina's Sicilian Style Pizza, City Market, The Original Anthonys Pizza is closed the one on Missouri Ave, so is Vavachi's which was next to it. City Dinner, Glorioso's place is still open though. Lococco's old place Gaetano's is now a french resteraunt called Lee Frog's. Anthonys is still good food though, thanks Mr Spino. Actually if you were from KC as you say you would realize that the "italian neighborhoods" is actually North of the River in Gladstone, with a majority of these guys living Flemona hills,(not sure of spelling) but its around 50th and north flora, highland area. By the way I was born and raised next door to Mendolia's Sasuge Company at 4th and Broorklyn. When I was in my early teens I would sweep the parking lot for Mr deluna and the Brooklyn Market and for Vito at Chubby's. If your from KC tell me where the fire was onthe Avenue, also tell me what the name of the resurant is that opened next to where the fire is.

Also tell me the name of the projects they built down by the old Social Club. By the way the chart you tell me is spot on has a dead man on it, I am not sure how Jimmy Duardi can be keeping up with those collections

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/kansascity/obituary.aspx?n=james-s-duardi&pid=147133758

The spot on chart does not have Pete Tamburello was is made and the proof has been provided, Paul Silvio is made and active but the list does not show this. Nate Brancato has late stage Alsheimers so not sure he is very active. and according to the FBI and trial transcripts Labbruzzo is an associate here is the transcript, I will make bold the pertinat parts.

19 F.3d 816
146 L.R.R.M. (BNA) 2035, 127 Lab.Cas. P 11,051
UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee,
and
Charles M. Carberry, Esq., Appellee,
v.
INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF TEAMSTERS, CHAUFFEURS,
WAREHOUSEMEN AND HELPERS OF AMERICA, AFL-CIO, et
al., Defendants,
Nicholas A. DiGirlamo, Appellant.
No. 714, Docket 93-6194.
United States Court of Appeals,
Second Circuit.
Argued Jan. 31, 1994.
Decided March 24, 1994.
Irving Achtenberg, Kansas City, MO (Achtenberg & Achtenberg, P.C., of Counsel), for appellant.

Celia A. Zahner, U.S. Investigations Office, New York City, for appellee.

Steven C. Bennett, New York City, Asst. U.S. Atty., S.D.N.Y. (Mary Jo White, U.S. Atty. S.D.N.Y., Gabriel W. Gorenstein, Asst. U.S. Atty., of Counsel), for plaintiff-appellee.

Before: FEINBERG, OAKES and KEARSE, Circuit Judges.

FEINBERG, Circuit Judge:

1
Nicholas A. DiGirlamo appeals from an order of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, David N. Edelstein, J., entered June 24, 1993. The order upheld disciplinary sanctions imposed upon DiGirlamo by the Independent Administrator of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT). We affirm.

I. Background

A. The Consent Decree

2
In 1988, the United States government filed a civil action under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1964, against the IBT, its General Executive Board (Board), the eighteen members of the Board, the Commission of La Cosa Nostra (LCN) and individual members and associates of LCN. See United States v. IBT, 931 F.2d 177, 180 (2d Cir.1991). The government alleged that LCN, through a pattern of racketeering activity, had infiltrated and come to dominate the IBT. The suit sought equitable relief to rid the union of LCN's corrupt influence.

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In 1989, the government's claims against the IBT, the Board, and the Board members were settled by means of a Consent Decree, which instituted a wholesale reform of the IBT's electoral and disciplinary processes. Id. at 180-81. The Consent Decree prohibits IBT members from "knowingly associating" with members or associates of organized crime groups. The Consent Decree also provides for the appointment of an Investigations Officer to investigate corruption and misconduct within the union and an Independent Administrator (Administrator) whose duties include hearing and deciding union disciplinary charges. The Administrator's decisions in disciplinary cases are subject to review in the district court.

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B. The Decisions of the Administrator and the District Court

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In May 1992, the Investigations Officer brought disciplinary charges against DiGirlamo, then a member and employee of IBT Local 41 in Kansas City, Missouri.1 The charges were that DiGirlamo had knowingly associated with members of LCN including, but not limited to, Peter Joseph Simone, Frank Anthony Tousa, Charles Moretina, and James J. Moretina, and with associates of LCN including, but not limited to, John Anthony Costanza and Nicholas Joseph LaBruzzo. Charles Moretina and James Moretina are DiGirlamo's father-in-law and brother-in-law, respectively. By knowingly associating with these organized crime figures, the Investigations Officer charged, DiGirlamo had brought reproach upon the IBT in violation of his IBT membership oath. Under Sec. 7(b) of the IBT Constitution, violation of the membership oath is grounds for disciplinary action.

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As required by the Consent Decree, a hearing was held before the Administrator. At the hearing, the case against DiGirlamo was based upon the declaration of FBI Agent Cullen Scott, which incorporated evidence linking DiGirlamo to the four LCN members named above and to other LCN members and associates.

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In January 1993, the Administrator found that the Investigations Officer proved by a preponderance of the evidence that DiGirlamo had knowingly associated with LCN members Charles Moretina, Peter Simone, James Moretina, and Frank Anthony Tousa. The Administrator rejected the FBI's identification of Costanza and LaBruzzo as LCN members. The Administrator ordered DiGirlamo permanently and immediately barred from the IBT. In June 1993, Judge Edelstein filed an Opinion and Order affirming the Administrator's decision. DiGirlamo appeals from that order.

II. Discussion

A. Standard of review

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This court has not articulated the precise standard to be used by us in reviewing a district court order, which itself reviewed disciplinary action by the Administrator under the Consent Decree. The parties to the Consent Decree expressly adopted an extremely deferential standard of review from decisions of the Administrator. Paragraph 12(A) of the Consent Decree states that the Administrator shall preside at disciplinary hearings "conducted under the rules and procedures generally applicable to labor arbitration hearings" and shall "decide such cases using a 'just cause' standard." In addition, that paragraph states that "[a]ny decision of the Administrator shall be final and binding," subject to the review of the district court. United States v. IBT (Friedman & Hughes), 905 F.2d 610, 616 (2d Cir.1990). The district court is to review decisions of the Administrator under "the same standard of review applicable to review of final federal agency action under the Administrative Procedure Act [APA]."2 We have held that the effect of these provisions is to require the district court to treat decisions of the Administrator with "great deference." Id. at 616-17. We find that under any reasonable standard of review of the district court's order, it should be sustained.

B. Sufficiency of the evidence

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DiGirlamo argues that the Administrator's decision was unsupported by "substantial evidence" as required by the standard of review derived from the APA. "Substantial evidence is more than a mere scintilla." United States v. IBT (Cimino), 964 F.2d 1308, 1311-12 (2d Cir.1992). It is, however, "something less than the weight of the evidence," and the substantial evidence standard may be met despite "the possibility of drawing two inconsistent conclusions from the evidence." Consolo v. Federal Maritime Comm'n, 383 U.S. 607, 620, 86 S.Ct. 1018, 1026, 16 L.Ed.2d 131 (1966). The district court correctly found that the evidence adduced at the hearing met this standard.

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We hold that the evidence introduced at the hearing supported the Administrator's findings that DiGirlamo knowingly associated with LCN members Charles Moretina, James Moretina, Peter Simone, and Frank Anthony Tousa. We summarize the evidence connecting DiGirlamo to each of the four named LCN members. We emphasize that the summary by no means includes all of the relevant evidence. While certain facts may appear insignificant when viewed in isolation, the body of evidence as a whole clearly establishes a long-term pattern of association with LCN.

1. James Moretina

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Confidential sources have identified James Moretina as an LCN member. In 1992, he pleaded guilty to money laundering in connection with an illegal gambling business.

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With James Moretina's help, DiGirlamo found a job on the loading dock of a freight company when he joined the IBT in 1978 or 1979. In 1980, DiGirlamo obtained James Moretina's assistance in getting a job as accountant for IBT Local 41 in Kansas City.

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In 1985, DiGirlamo was fired from Local 41. James Moretina, who was president of the "Be Amused" vending machine company, hired DiGirlamo to do bookkeeping work for the company. DiGirlamo continued to do bookkeeping for Be Amused even after returning to his job at Local 41 in 1987. In 1990, the FBI confiscated illegal video poker machines from Be Amused and seized the company's books. In 1991, DiGirlamo testified about the company before a grand jury. In July 1991, James Moretina and Simone were arrested for laundering illegal gambling money through Be Amused. Despite these developments, DiGirlamo continued to work for the company until as late as March 1992.

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DiGirlamo admitted that James Moretina often telephoned him at Local 41 and the two had a "comfortable amount" of telephone conversation. In a telephone call recorded in 1990, DiGirlamo and James Moretina discussed how to get a dentist on a list for referrals from Local 41. In a separate conversation, the men discussed rivalries within the union in relation to an upcoming union election.

2. Charles Moretina

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DiGirlamo concedes Charles Moretina's underworld ties. In 1980, Harvey Bonadonna, participant in the Federal Witness Protection Program and son of a deceased LCN member, identified Charles Moretina as an LCN member and "killer or murderer for the [Carl] 'Tuffy' DeLuna group." Newspaper articles introduced at DiGirlamo's hearing also linked Moretina to organized crime. In 1981, Moretina was indicted, along with Kansas City LCN underboss Carl Civella and other defendants, in connection with a conspiracy to skim proceeds from a Las Vegas casino. United States v. DeLuna, 763 F.2d 897, 904 (8th Cir.), cert. denied sub nom. Thomas v. United States, 474 U.S. 980, 106 S.Ct. 382, 88 L.Ed.2d 336 (1985). Moretina was eventually convicted on charges of conspiracy and interstate transportation of stolen property. Id.

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Before Charles Moretina's conviction in 1983, DiGirlamo saw him "[o]ne, two times, maybe more" each month. In 1982 or 1983, John Couts, an officer of Local 41, accused DiGirlamo of "putting the make" on his daughter and fired him. DiGirlamo told Moretina about the incident. When DiGirlamo later encountered Couts, Couts cried, asked for forgiveness, and rehired him.

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In 1983, DiGirlamo attended Charles Moretina's trial. During the trial, DiGirlamo's car, and a car belonging to a union organizer, Tom Nabors, were observed parked outside Moretina's home during business hours. After Moretina's conviction, DiGirlamo remained in contact with him. DiGirlamo traveled to Milan, Michigan twice to visit Moretina in prison and has spoken to him on the phone several times.

3. Peter Simone

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Confidential sources have identified Peter Simone as a "made" member of LCN. Harvey Bonadonna identified Simone as an LCN member in charge of illegal casinos in Kansas City. Newspaper reports introduced at DiGirlamo's hearing identified Simone as an LCN "underboss." Simone was convicted on gambling conspiracy charges in 1976 and on charges of operating an illegal casino in 1992. In 1988, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations found Simone to be a "capo" (a supervisor or "street boss") of LCN.

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In 1975, prior to joining the IBT, DiGirlamo was indicted, along with Simone, Tousa, and several LCN associates, on charges of operating a gambling business. DiGirlamo eventually pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to operate a gambling game in 1977. Although he was aware that his co-conspirators were allegedly involved in organized crime, he continued to associate with them.

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DiGirlamo and Simone have known each other since they attended grade school together. After their convictions on the gambling charges, they played together in sports leagues. James Moretina sometimes asked DiGirlamo to pick up the Be Amused books at a Kansas City social club owned by Simone. Simone would sometimes call DiGirlamo at Local 41 to tell him to pick up the books. DiGirlamo admitted that he had heard the club described as a "casino" and that he saw people playing cards there. Simone later pleaded guilty to operating an illegal casino at the club.

4. Frank Anthony Tousa

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Based on its organized crime investigations, the FBI considers Frank Anthony Tousa to be a member of LCN. In 1976, Tousa was convicted of conspiracy to operate an illegal gambling business. In 1980, Harvey Bonadonna described Tousa as the Kansas City LCN's "Las Vegas connection" in charge of football betting. Newspaper accounts introduced at DiGirlamo's hearing linked Tousa to LCN. DiGirlamo testified that he had been to Tousa's home in 1986 or 1987 and that he had prepared a tax return for Tousa and his wife in 1985 or 1986.

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In light of the foregoing, it is indisputable that substantial evidence supported the Administrator's finding that DiGirlamo had "extensive involvement" with the Moretinas, Simone, and Tousa. In view of substantial newspaper coverage, as well as DiGirlamo's regular contact with the four men over many years, the Administrator was justified in inferring that DiGirlamo must have known of their ties to organized crime. Cf. United States v. IBT (Cozza), 764 F.Supp. 797, 801-02 (S.D.N.Y.1991), aff'd, 956 F.2d 1161 (2d Cir.1992).C. Prohibited Association

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DiGirlamo insists, however, that his associations with these LCN members constituted only "innocent familial or professional associations" and were not prohibited by the Consent Decree. DiGirlamo contends that the Consent Decree prohibits only association for improper purposes. We disagree.

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An association with an LCN member "beyond that required in [one's] official capacity" may constitute knowing association. United States v. IBT (Adelstein), 998 F.2d 120, 126 (2d Cir.1993). Under the Consent Decree, "knowingly associating" has "the same meaning as that ascribed to that term in comparable federal proceedings or federal rules and regulations." We have held that one such comparable area of law is that governing restrictions on parolees' activities. Id. at 125. While restrictions on parolees' association with persons having criminal records do not prohibit "a fleeting or casual acquaintance," Birzon v. King, 469 F.2d 1241, 1243 (2d Cir.1972), the restrictions are not limited only to associations that involve improper activity. Such restrictions are violated by a "calculated choice" to associate with persons having a criminal record. United States v. Albanese, 554 F.2d 543, 546 & n. 6 (2d Cir.1977).

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DiGirlamo's contacts with LCN members clearly constituted conscious choices. The fact that DiGirlamo was married to Charles Moretina's daughter might constitute an innocent familial explanation for some of his contacts with the Moretinas: for example, DiGirlamo's trips, with his wife and children, to visit her father in prison. But even if family ties can excuse association with organized crime figures, family ties do not fully explain DiGirlamo's relationship with the Moretinas. DiGirlamo often spoke with the Moretinas about union-related matters. For example, he discussed a union election and dentist referrals by the union with James Moretina and discussed his dismissal by Couts with Charles Moretina. DiGirlamo once went unaccompanied by his wife to visit Charles Moretina in the federal penitentiary in Michigan.

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Furthermore, family ties cannot in this context justify DiGirlamo's contacts with Tousa and Simone or his bookkeeping work for James Moretina's Be Amused company. DiGirlamo calls these ties "innocent" professional associations. In the parole context, it has been held that restrictions on association allow "incidental contacts ... in the course of work on a legitimate job for a common employer." Arciniega v. Freeman, 404 U.S. 4, 4, 92 S.Ct. 22, 22, 30 L.Ed.2d 126 (per curiam) (1971). But DiGirlamo's "professional" associations were much more significant. He did bookkeeping for a business run by James Moretina--a business that was involved in illegal gambling operations. He picked up the books for this job at Simone's illegal gambling club. He also prepared tax returns for Tousa. In addition to his non-union business contacts with Tousa and Simone, DiGirlamo had social contact with them as well.

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The above is sufficient to demonstrate that DiGirlamo engaged in prohibited association, even if the association was not for an improper purpose. Without relying on other evidence for our decision, however, it should be noted, for purposes of portraying a complete picture, that some evidence further suggested that DiGirlamo not only associated with organized crime figures, but that he may also have served as an instrument of LCN influence on Local 41. As noted above, it was James Moretina who assisted DiGirlamo in joining the union and becoming its bookkeeper in 1980. A confidential informant stated that LCN member Carl Civella, who controlled hiring at Local 41, was "instrumental" in the hiring of DiGirlamo. In 1981 and 1982, James Moretina, Civella's girlfriend Rita Armilio, and LCN member Carl DeLuna's stepson Rick DeLuna were hired to work at Local 41. DiGirlamo's firing in 1985 coincided with the firings of James Moretina, Armilio and DeLuna. FBI Agent Scott attributed the purge to a "bad relationship" between the Civella organization and Local 41 president John Couts. A few months after Couts's death in 1987, Dan Johnson, Local 41's new president, rehired DiGirlamo. In 1990, a confidential FBI informant stated that LCN used DiGirlamo to keep apprised of Local 41's financial status so that Johnson could not cite lack of funds as grounds for refusing to follow LCN orders.D. LMRDA provisions

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DiGirlamo argues that, as applied to his case, both the IBT constitution and the Investigations Officer's disciplinary charges against him violate the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA), 29 U.S.C. Sec. 401 et seq. Under the LMRDA, a labor organization is prohibited from disciplining one of its members unless the member has been "(A) served with written specific charges; (B) given a reasonable time to prepare his defense; (C) afforded a full and fair hearing." 29 U.S.C. Sec. 411(a)(5).

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DiGirlamo argues that the charge against him, as well as the provision of the IBT constitution prohibiting "knowing association," lacked the specificity required by the LMRDA.3 He further argues that both the prohibition on knowing association and the prohibition on bringing "reproach" upon the union are impermissibly vague as applied to his conduct. He claims that the language of the provisions is insufficient to put a reasonably intelligent union member on notice that associations such as DiGirlamo's would result in disciplinary action. We agree with the district court that these arguments are without merit.

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The LMRDA does not require of disciplinary charges the level of specificity required in criminal prosecutions. Berg v. Watson, 417 F.Supp. 806, 810 (S.D.N.Y.1976). Furthermore, we have held that IBT members were aware that association with organized crime figures was prohibited even before the Consent Decree added the provision to the union constitution. United States v. IBT (Senese & Talerico), 941 F.2d 1292, 1297 (2d Cir.1991), cert. denied, --- U.S. ----, 112 S.Ct. 1161, 117 L.Ed.2d 408 (1992). The new provision "simply made explicit the longstanding goal of the IBT to be free of corruption." Id. Even assuming the existence of hypothetical situations in which the prohibitions would be considered vague, however, DiGirlamo's is not such a case. We have held that "it should have been clear to [union members disciplined for associating with LCN] that associating with known members of organized crime would bring reproach upon the IBT...." Id. at 1298.

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DiGirlamo also argues that he was denied a reasonable amount of time to prepare his defense at the disciplinary hearing before the Administrator. Specifically, he alleges that his counsel first gained access to hundreds of pages of evidence to be used against him only days before the hearing. Although DiGirlamo had unsuccessfully moved for a bill of particulars before the hearing, he did not raise the argument of insufficient time to prepare at the hearing; nor did he move for adjournment or continuation of the hearing in order to prepare further. Finally, the Administrator offered DiGirlamo the usual opportunity to file post-hearing submissions.

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DiGirlamo further argues that the sanctions against him violate the guarantee of free speech and association of Sec. 101(a)(2) of the LMRDA (codified at 29 U.S.C. Sec. 411(a)(2)). This argument is entirely meritless. "The IBT's sanctioning members in order to rid itself of corrupt influence conforms with Sec. 101(a)(2) of the LMRDA, and infringes no First Amendment rights." Senese & Talerico, 745 F.Supp. 908, 913 (S.D.N.Y.1990), aff'd, 941 F.2d 1292 (2d Cir.1991), cert. denied, --- U.S. ----, 112 S.Ct. 1161, 117 L.Ed.2d 408 (1992).

E. Hearsay

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DiGirlamo also takes issue with the admission of hearsay evidence at his hearing. In IBT disciplinary proceedings, as in administrative proceedings, evidentiary rules are relaxed. Adelstein, 998 F.2d at 124. Thus hearsay is admissible, provided it is reliable. Id. Hearsay statements may gain reliability by corroborating one another or by including specific details. Id. at 124-25.

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DiGirlamo contends, however, that the hearsay admitted against him at the disciplinary hearing was unreliable. We disagree. Contrary to DiGirlamo's assertions, the declaration of FBI Agent Cullen Scott was not hearsay because DiGirlamo's counsel was able to cross-examine Agent Scott at the hearing. DiGirlamo maintains that the newspaper articles and Senate Reports attached as exhibits to the declaration were also unreliable hearsay. As the district court found, however, the hearsay statements admitted at the hearing corroborated each other or were corroborated by reliable independent sources.

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We have considered all of appellant's arguments and find them to be without merit. The order of the district court is affirmed.

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The charge against DiGirlamo read as follows:

While a member and employee of IBT Local 41, you brought reproach upon the IBT and violated your membership oath in violation of Article II, Section 2(a) and Article XIX, Section 7(b)(1) and (2) of the IBT Constitution, to wit:

From 1978 to the present, while a member and employee of IBT Local 41, you knowingly associated with members of La Cosa Nostra ("LCN"), including, but not limited to, Charles Moretina, James J. Moretina, Peter Joseph Simone, and Frank Anthony Tousa. From 1978 to the present, you also knowingly associated with associates of LCN including, but not limited to, John Anthony Costanza and Nicholas Joseph LaBruzzo.

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That standard of review requires a reviewing court to hold unlawful and set aside agency action, findings and conclusions found to be--

(A) arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion, or otherwise not in accordance with law;

(B) contrary to constitutional right, power, privilege, or immunity;

(C) in excess of statutory jurisdiction, authority, or limitations, or short of statutory right;

(D) without observance of procedure required by law;

(E) unsupported by substantial evidence ...; or

(F) unwarranted by the facts to the extent that the facts are subject to trial de novo by the reviewing court.

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5 U.S.C. Sec. 706.

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The district court addressed these arguments despite its finding that DiGirlamo had failed to properly raise them before either the district court or the Administrator. DiGirlamo has failed to show otherwise. Nonetheless, since the district court did deal with these arguments, and because they raise serious issues, we address them here


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