The everyday life of a Gangster ( Philly guys)

Seems like alot of u philly guys have close ties to the mobs. One kid hung out with Merlino.. Others have seem to met almost everyone in the mob.. Can you guys tell me the everyday life these guys lived.. Summertime it seemed all were in Margate..

Daily Routines if any..

As much as Staino gets abused, the guy got up and went to work everyday from what GA says.

What did Merlino and the boys do when he was boss? Staino, Lucibello, Lance, any of these guys..

Also, nobody ever tells stories about Borgesi. Any good ones?

no1 cares about the philly guys i mean who r they ... smalltime thats what they are.. sorrry to break it to u but its true lol

Why does Staino get abused as much as he does? Is it because of the recent wiretaps? Or because of the hype he gets as the 'de facto Underboss'.

rossato then dont come in the thread.. The philly talk on this board is prob the most out of any family.. I hate to break that to u . small time or not, they get the most talk on this board.. Title said philly guys , so i care so if u cud read u should have stayed out.. sorry to break it to u..

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=603817#Post603817 -- this thread had over 15,000 views and 275 replies.. The hottest thread of the yr prob.. thats 15k views nd 275 replies in a month and half.. Nobody cares?

I think a mixture of both Barrett.. I follow the family, so i do care.. sorry if you dont like these guys but i come here for that.. If you lived in philly, you would too

Probably the same daily routines of most mob street guys. In his book, George Freselone described it as hanging out for hours a day, often with people you may not particularly like. Mob guys spend a good deal of time eating, bullshitting, etc. Back in the day, Joey and the younger guys loved to go clubbing.

But on the business side of things, especially for the Philly mob which is basically a street operation, it's the standard gambling, loansharking, and extortion rackets. Monitoring the bookies who you oversee. Or collecting the street tax from the independents. Collecting the weekly vig from shylock loans. Sending guys to pick up the money from the poker machine routes. Sometimes maybe checking on a load of stolen goods. Maybe a little drug action on the side.

And I agree, seems like a lot of people give Staino crap. I think it's because he doesn't have that hardened street look. He doesn't have those "shark eyes" that a guy like Massimino does. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything. I imagine Staino must be fairly capable if he was one of the top guys under Ligambi.

From what I've read on the other forum about Borgesi, most consider him a real hot head. To look at him, he's a relatively small guy, and doesn't look imposing at all. But people say that's why he has the temper he does. He's had to make up for what he lacks physically by being extra mean. Supposedly he can hit really hard. And he's been involved in his share of murders, so he's no joke. The question is, is he willing to keep his mouth shut and stay in prison after he was supposed to be getting out next year?

I think Philly are one of the most interesting families...sure their basically just a street crew now, but its great that there are many knowledgeable Philly guys on here. The 80s in Philly sounds crazy!!! That would make for a great film!

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what's the point of coming on here and being disrespectful to everyone? And its not the number of posts that's important its the quality...

Actually philly is my 2nd favorite family to follow behind new england where I live. The smaller families are easier to follow. Not as many players allows you to become more familiar with every1 .

Anthony Spilotro, Funzi Tieri, Vito Genovese -- Joe Pesci.



I have a feeling he would keep his mouth shut. Especially after what you just stated about him; he has built up a reputation which I think is very important for him to maintain. Besides, his family would probably be taken care of.

ive read the same stuff about borgesi, i read one story that when the fbi/cops went to arrest him back in the day when merlino was arrested as well they tried to get him to flip talking to him about cooperating and he apparently spit in that agents face!!!

this guy reminds me of tommy desimone aka joe pesci from goodfellas a hothead thats for sure

agreed i love reading about philly and to prove its one of the most interesting/popular families it is consistently week after week one of the most popular topics on my blog fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com especially stuff with joey merlino the man has a following thats for sure, if you read the articles on him that i have posted tons of anonymous people posting they miss joey and love him and they cant wait for him to come back to philly etc

check it out here

http://fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/03/skinny-joey-merlino-eyes-philly-through.html

Yeah Dapper I am an avid follower of the blog!

best thing for the philly family is ligambi. he is oldschool running the family like bruno. and thats a lot better then merlino and scarfo did. this guy is low-profile like a real don should be.

Well he "was" good for the Philly mob, even he made mistakes. Looks like its almost over for him.

Rossato what goes on around your neck of the woods besides you acting like a cocky arrogant asshole

Philadelphia/ South Jersey/ Delco/Montgomery County/ Bucks in the Eastern District of PA are affluent with alot of bookies who are independent of any LCN ties. When Scarfo's family tried the Rouse Extoration, Rouse a very rich developer who lives on the mainline near Villanova University, wouldn't take it and there are alot of bookies that being of Italian Descent that don't have to kick up to Phila LCN. If you hang around there operations, your a wannabe, sure your gonna get taxed.

Like George says its a like a slapstick Black Comedy thats if they weren't killling people.

"Tell him to come see me, tell him to button up."

- Gaeton Lucibello

One of the pubs people get a kick when I do impressions of some of them people, its not like an Iron Fist with Paul Castellano killin u for saying u look like Jim Perdue ..anyone get what im saying

plenty goes on in my end of the woods gettin pussy . what do u get on ur nights out? at the end of the night u problemly go home with a hotdog or whatever fastfood is near your house lol

Yeah I go out to bars n clubs and bring home some whores..call some hookers them to dance n throw doritos and shit at them to degrate them lol

I get it in, I live where they make some of the best Italian Cusine where people take pride in coooking their food, u can take a hotdog n shove it up ur ass then eat it groundskeeper willy..

If you look at the bookmaking busts in the northeast region over the past decade, from up in Boston to down in south Jersey, there are ones that seem to be independent of the LCN. But they are in the minority. To this day, most of them do appear to have an LCN connection. Either run directly by the LCN, laying off to a larger LCN-controlled operation, funneling bets through an LCN-controlled network down to Costa Rica, or paying a street tax to the LCN. Illegal sports betting is one business that the LCN has been pretty successful in holding onto where it still has a significant presence.

Dapper ...But in certain social circles if joey comes back someone is going to rub him out..His Bloodlines and influence are wearing thin...Making those bets and not paying them to some small-time bookmaker 20 years ago whose a big dawg now, someone will kill him hands down.




agreed i love reading about philly and to prove its one of the most interesting/popular families it is consistently week after week one of the most popular topics on my blog fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com especially stuff with joey merlino the man has a following thats for sure, if you read the articles on him that i have posted tons of anonymous people posting they miss joey and love him and they cant wait for him to come back to philly etc

check it out here

http://fivefamiliesnyc.blogspot.com/2011/03/skinny-joey-merlino-eyes-philly-through.html[/quote]

Ivey you are probably right that the majority are connected in some way but there are a lot...a lot of independent bookies in philly...even Italian Americans in south philly. Guys don't fear these guys like they use to n sometimes have a few guys together. This started with drugs but now you got young guys even with books for there neighborhood. There are a lot of big time independents to. Never would have been this way 20 years ago. Lot more rats in philly to that no one cares or does anything about. Gotta co sign dicks nose on this one. Who knows what philly will look like in another 2o

Rosato go back to Albany n stop acting like your from ny before we tax Yo ass!

Dicknose, you can really see someone killing JOEY? Even though his crew is running things ? I dont know if anyone has the balls bc that will prob result in the killing of them right back due to killing a made guy... interesting...

Why did Rocco Maniscalco get killed then if there are so many independetnt bookies now? I'm not questioning what you're saying, just curious as to what happened with him.

George Borgesi is a stand up guy he would never rat, he didnt before with his buddies and he sure as hell wont now. He wont hang his whole family out to dry in South Philly including his brother and cousins who are involved in LCN.

As for their everyday lives, Ligambi made it a point to his guys to hold real jobs while he was boss from what I was told. He ran a tight ship and even most of their wives held down jobs or owned buisnesses to show ligit assests for the life they led such as cars, houses, vacations ect.

These guys werent out and about on the streets doing nothing all day like the Merlino days where they spent all day at bars or Joeys cafe on Passyunk ave. then going out all night clubing. Only guys that were often seen out was Anthony Nicodemo and Anthony Borgesi. Both were always seen with friends who to my knowledge are just regular guys not involved in any way with LCN.

Southphilly, who went out with Merlino?

Were these guys out at the bars everynight? Did they pay for anything?

Another question is, why don't we see more busts of these independent bookies? As I said, there have been a few here and there over the years but they are in the minority.

Thanks SPMOB.. I have family in Montco, The mastarnado brothers have blue blood in them with Rizzo they resided in Blue Bell. Remember they surrended all day money to the FEDS and the leading proceuter was Bruce Castor for Montgomery County, then a few years down the road they get busted again, and Castor is there DEFENSE ATTORNEY, don't think they tried touching that with a 10 foot pole.

People in leadership positions like to gamble including politicians, police officers on the local and state level. They round up people now and then which usually is a gulity plea with a hefty fine and probation. Jersey is different I don't know the way the law works there as good as I do in PA.

Rocco Mansicolo if I knew how to upload a video on to this messege board and showed you the street he lived on, I mean theres a million different ways to assassinate someone who lives in a SP Rowhome.

I'm not positive but I'm pretty sure Rocco was in the drug game, and Italian or Not (THATS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLPARK)

I went out around their company a few times, it was basically all the crew he was put away with, save John Ciangalini and also Frank Gambino (who got a very raw deal in all of that), along with Anthony Nicodemo and Rodger Vella who were always around him.

They were always at either 8th floor, Legends or Libations (before it became a lesbo joint) 8th Floor they never paid from what i seen, Legends they got a $100 bill and Libations which was owned by Steve Mazzones brother they drank for free.

Sterotyping a typical day for a SP Gangster

Slumlord -own a few apartments to rent out..

Sell drugs till u get busted..then just do a book because its less time..bolshit and not work...Sell Drugs n Get Foodstamps lol

I stopped by a barbershop and overheard the one guy yelling to the other guy.. "Don't let anyone fool ya..de go for 60 cents on the dollar

Some people love the persona n have ego of being a wiseguy when they get everything for free thanks to the federal government and just sell drugs which is obviously not taxed.

Rossato quit acting like a tough guy you moron.

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yeah u mean u go to gaybars ! step back into the closet. grounds keeeper willy? i stand my ground. do u dress up in skirts boob tubes n stiletoes when u go to the trany bars ? u aint foolin any1 dear

I thought u parade around in ur kilt with a big black strap on in the streets of scotland. U just got made u gotta kiss everyones ass on the forum lmao

hey banwit who r u with ur 7 posts? come back when uv more posts i dont need to watch the sopranos n act like a tough guy i am a tough guy im ripped i do weightlifting, protein shakes men muscle building the ladies love that . what do u do ? sit on ur ass eating pizza ? yeah i bet u get loads of ladies haha (cough)

no we only wear kilts at weddings n furnerals n that... that shows every1 ur imaturity . i was made becasue i contribute to this forum . n for the record no1 cares about the st lois mob in the 80s , i suggest u step up ur game with ur contribution to this forum or ul find urself whacked

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Idiot.

here in NY i know a handful of people that currently or used to run book and none of them had any LCN ties at all. none of them, besides one, would ever ever ever lay anything off, either. I think its easier today to run an (obviously smaller scale) independent book with the internet - not talking about the big powerhouse sites like bodog but smaller ones that are customizable and just log transactions but the money is still cash handled offline. I'm sure if these people I knew were taking bets on staten island or something they'd run into problems though lol


regarding the Philly family posts - keep em coming. There really hasn't been much going on in LCN News beide Philly lately

when i was young in the early/mid 90's my dad and godfather (his bro) had a small business (bodega) and hey used to have joker pokder machines in the back that all the junkies/drunks used to spend their money on, recently i brought this up with my dad and he was like the machines belonged to some puerto rican drug dealer who was working on behalf of an "italian"

Well last year while I was visiting my godfather at his small business in the bronx some Albanians came in and basically wanted to talk with him about putting some "popular machines in his store" aka joker poker machines once they spotted all the cameras, etc and the fact that we had no interest they left

btw i am hispanic (dominican) but born and raised in nyc

joker poker machines ment to replaces the guys on street corners takin bets?

just another way for them to earn in these neighborhoods that traditionally the lcn wasnt in, these were spanish neighborhoods

yeah cool thats understandable i suppose

yeah i remember being a little kid int he store and the machines used to be in the back i used to play around and touch the buttons on them my dad would say leave that alone lmao

i dont beleive ur dad knew sum philly gangsters , i think that is you trying unsuccessfully to look cool in this post , i bet uv not evan played joker machines , i bet ur father liked touching u instead of the joker machines

i didnt say philly i said bronx and im just stating facts no need to make myself look cool i dont really care if you believe me or not just making a comment

where are the mods? they didnt have any problems when vinnygorgeous was getting on people...

Hey Dapper Don I thought u took the oath of "Omerta" why ask for a mod, just say something back to him. I'm a gangsta grandpa n im proud of it - 50 cent ( Get Rich or Die Tryin)

u contradicted yourself there, fact? isnt it more oldstories than facts ,

yeah moltasanti is right , ur asking wheres the mobs? thats like u calling the cops if a guy had looked at u with an angry face lol urr soft n u just let every1 know it lol

rossato and Moltisanti, If you two want to whisper sweet nothings to each other than take it off the boards or you'll BOTH be off these boards.

ENOUGH!

IVY are you a Federal Agent researching in the field office, your poking around for current information, everything is from a textbook point of view ...Don't take it personally, just curious ..I smell a Rat

don cardi r u n dapper don whispering sweet nothings in each others ear? trying to get me of this board? well im cristising dapper dons posts because i dont think there the truth , u cant have it your own way u people need to learn to be open to debates ur so stuck in your ways

I'm sorry Don Cardi I was trying to help out with their arguement,

...I each other than take it off the boards or you'll BOTH be off these boards.

ENOUGH![/quote]

what specifically is not the truth? we are open to debates we have them all the time but our debates are about substance and contain very little if no childish name calling

u tell us ? u watch a documentary , then claim to be the expert on it , im no expert but i will always contribute to a debate , way dapper don n don cardi is going on is that they cant take cristism in there posts , i am debating about the substance u claim to know about, u put guys names out there knowing next to nothing about the truth

i have no idea what your talking about, documentary? are u high? i can take criticism in my posts just ask ivyleague he will tell you he dishes it out to me but if your going to criticize then be prepared to back up your story cause many of us here are very knowledgeable on these topics and will defend our opinions

u cant take the critism admit it fool

I've actually had this question posed to me before. As people over on the Real Deal will tell you, I've always been upfront about who I am. I live in Utah. I'm 33. I work juvenile probation. I, like most others, get most of my information from articles, news videos, press releases, indictments, reports, books, etc. I also take info given on internet forums like this into account. But I do so carefully. I'm not one of those who is sold on anything somebody says online. And that's because, for every guy that actually has some legit info, there are a dozen others that just pretend they do in order to give their posts more weight. They're the ones who think because they live in ____________, and for that reason alone, they are somehow better hooked into what's going on. You wouldn't believe the debates we've had over this topic on the other forum.

For some reason I knew all those things about you Ivy, but Im stuffed if I can remember where I read it. I guess you've posted it before.

As far as the everyday life, George Anastasia had a good description in "The Last Gangster". In it, he talks about how many days are spent sitting 'round, talking shit and thinking up scams. Working the books. Always on to something, always a few balls up in the air. And although nine out of ten schemes die on the vine, the one that works out is worth the effort to them.

I imagine its very much the same for the average mob soldier across the States.

Alot of these guys own legit business and spend alot of time supervising them. They may not b super hand on but they do oversee them

rg I got a couple for u that u mite have already heard.Merlino and his boys drinking [I think at the Saloon]and at the end of the nite Joey took out his money and set it on the bar,as if he were paying.Well the bartrnder made the mistake of touching it,also thinking that and then supposetley Angelini,Canz,and johnny chang jumped over the bar took the guy in the bathroom and beat him unmmercifully while Merlino laughed.

Another nite in corner bar Natale's girlfriend[Ruth Ann Secco]said something to borgesi grbbed his arm playfully.Apparantley Borgesi flipped and said don't ever f.... touch me again.Well Ralph stepped intold Borgesi to go home which he did and from what I understand he didn't show his face for 2 weeks.

Barber very well put.

( This is just an opinion observed from walking around the streets)

Alot of associates that are south phila natives one guy particularly don't want to mention his name on here since google picks up so many keywords,( can PM it because the last name is the same as one of the guys in the borgota case) basically prey on younger guys that are trying to make a name for themselves. Theres been alotta bs in the street people gettin took or robbed that engage in illegal activities and think they can get away with it.

...and it only takes a couple of low key earners as such to make up the core of a fairly effective outfit.

Thats always been something Ive found interesting, the guys willing to actually put in the physical man hours. Say what one will about Staino, the reason he went so long without any real trouble was because he seems so legit on paper. He was at work every day. Still, they got 'im now.

Its easy to forget that (nonwithstanding of course the unfair advantage they have over competition with the unspoken threat of violence inherent as a "mobbed up" operation) that alot of those powerhouse earners where actually pretty business minded and driven.

Actually dedicated businessmen in one sense, just with that nagging ethics problem (problem being they have no ethics)

Classic.

You can imagine both guys bitching about one another behind backs over that two weeks or so.

Borgesi: So I sez to Ralph I sez "F**K you Ralph, & F**K you Ruthie! And I walked outta there!!" Hey, you seen Fat Angelo?

Natale: And cuz, I was like "Get outta here Freckles!" cuz I was like the don and shit, cuz. See cuz I was doin' Ruthie too! *Slaps high fives with Previte*

Hey Mickey Meatballs i saw an earlier post of yours saying u no how easy it is to whack somebody living in a S.Philly type rowhome.U said there r so many ways,well that's what my question is.I never understood back in the Scarfo era when guys like Caramandi and Delgiorno would say we spent every waking hour on hit teams looking for our targets.Around the clock 24-7.i'm thinking this is S.Philly how hard could it be.You go to a guy's house,sort stake out the street,he eventually HAS to come out of the house and when he does you walk up to him and it's over.Even if a neighbor see's something they won't talk.I never understood when they would say we tried to get this guy for 6 months.Where can u hide in S.Philly for 6 months.What am I missing?

Shit, sorry brother. I have no idea what you're talking about! You may have me confused with a couple of other posters man...? There are a couple of Philly guys on here that would know S.Philly.

Sure I follow 'em but Im not and have never claimed to be one of the Philly guys. I would not have claimed to "know how easy it is to whack a guy in Philly".

Perhaps I myself have confused one of my posts but Im not sure to which you're referring to there dude.

Maybe Philly_Kid or spmob or some of the other guys could shed some light? On 22's question?

Perhaps you mean this one?

Quite frankly, Im insulted you would confuse my posts with one of DickNose's. Nah, seriously, Im just breakin' balls. DickNose, you're alright.

Yeah when the warrant task force comes out to get you, its best to get on the rooftops. ( And there aren't huge gaps like steven segal movies or some jackass just barely making the leap

Hey

Meatballs don't take life to seriously

Sincerly,

The Original DickNose

Thanks, Original Dicknose, for that sage advice.

Think about how muchfaster things are today.Picture Nick Caramandi in a telephone booth on a payphone with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth and one hand down his pants like al bundy. I don't think they had 3g or 4g back then or even a nokia throwaway phone that u could play snake on for hours.

Commnication is key, nowdays anyone can find out alot more about you then they did back then.

Man my bad for this confusion,I really screwed this 1 up.My head is spinning.It was u Dick Nose that I thought wrote that but it was Mickey Meatballs,WOW,anyway thanks for bearing with me on that and Dick Nose I do see what u are saying about the communication factor.

I can't believe I said it wrong again,why is this so hard for me?It was really u that wrote it Dick Nose and I confused u with Mickey Meatballs.I no what went down now but I'm just going to keep the thought to myself.THANKS EVERYONE

Its cool, clear it with Meatballs, hes a little bit sensative

Anyone know a good artist that does mafia paintings.. I want a picture of peter gotti dressed like a pirate,,yellom argggg arggg argg mattey I dare u to walk the plank

Sensitive like yo' ass gump!!1!:D

No thats my rosato expression. Seriously, its cool 22. I mean, I see now what DickNose is trying to say,that there's only so many generic ways for a mob hit to go down, just a million variations on the scheme. Generally his buddies scope him out and set him up to be blasted away. Sometimes guys know its coming, so it takes a while to do it. Scumbags.

...really though, if there ever was a guy that for a mobster makes a good pirate, its One Eyed Pete Gotti.

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hahahah thats some funny shit.