Political Protection for OUTFIT Boss Difronzo

Back in the days of frank costello it was known that political protection and contacts were neccessary. Now its much harder to spot but I noticed something lately see in the family secrets trial it was revealed that Outfit Boss John No nose Difronzo was present and participated in the spilotro brothers murders yet he wasnt charged or put on trial like the others. Then I found out that the Governor of Illinois at that time was Rod Blagoyevich who today was found guilty on 17 of 20 counts of corruption. It turns out that Rod used to be a major outfit bookie on the northside and was likely maneuvered into power by the outfit who Difronzo was boss of at the time and still is, and in turn kept his name off the indictment. Seems like a classic case of political protection.

r u serious?

There seems to be a few guys out there who do have some political power and from what I've heard, DiFronzo could very well be in that category. It is true that Blago was a big time bookie and it wouldn't surprise me if he did indeed work for the Outfit. This guy is as rotten as they come. He's facing a very long time in prison.

heres the proof found it

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6559104

He worked under Robert "Bobby the Boxer" Abbinanti as a bookmaker in the northside. also Chris Kelly Blagojevich's former campaign manager top fundraiser and close friend, has agreed to plead guilty to tax fraud for failing to report $1.3 million in income from sports betting.

Uh, no. DiFronzo not being indicted in the case has nothing to do with political protection. If there's one thing that has been overrated by many on these forums, it's the Chicago Outfit's level of modern day political clout. There is certainly still some local corruption but not on the scale where they could be protected against a federal indictment. If so, where was the political protection for other people charged? At least Lombardo and Marcello? It was because they were each charged with additional crimes besides the lone accusation by Nick Calabrese of being at the scene of the Spiolotro murders.

I should also add that Chicago has always had a culture of corruption. The mistake people make is assuming it all revolves around the Outfit or that the Outfit is the one that is pulling all the strings. And because of the history of the Outfit, which did have extensive political connections and a more casual structure involving members and associates, it gives some today the feeling that they can make any connection they want between the mob and a case of corruption.

All these facts you mention IVY LEAGUE, I already knew them when I came to this opinion and thats what it is I do not state it as fact it is my opinion. That said I agree with you that the Outfit and Blagojevitch are small potatoes compared to to the corrupt political machine that runs chicago I mean Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Bank of America, Bankruptcy court racket , The 6th circuit court of appeals, the graft chicago is notoriously corrupt, I see the bigger picture and Blagojevitch, Marcello,Calabrese, are pawns but Difronzo has a little more juice IMHO. An eyeball witness to a murder like Nick calabrese could have sunk difronzo or at least put him out of commision for 3 years without bail and with the FBI they always take what they can get so IMHO Difronzo had a Guardian Angel or at least a favour to call in to not be indicted.I`m not saying the Outfit as a whole gets protection but John Difronzo who is boss of the oufit amongst other things(Freemasonry,Family holdings, payoffs and political contributions) has political protection for himself IMHO

I think very few people think that the majority of corruption cases in Chicago can be directly tied to the Outfit. Everyone knows the mob is a joke today and every time somebody stresses that fact, they think they're giving us some groundbreaking news. However, we do know that Blagojevich was a bookie who did work with people who were connected to the Chicago Outfit. I don't know if he really paid tribute to them as some have claimed, but it wouldn't surprise me. What people fail to realize, especially the ones who love to talk about how weak and dysfunctional the mob has become, is that it really doesn't take much to be politically connected. Your family can be in a thousand pieces with rats in every crew. All you need is one guy who knows one guy. If some associate in the Colombo family is on good terms with someone highly influential in the New York State Senate and this is a person who is willing to grant favors for money and other services, you then have serious political power. Maybe this is the case with DiFronzo. We don't know, but the possibilities are endless.

I agree Vinny. While some greatly over estimate the power of the Outfit and the mob in general, by that same token many people seem to over estimate the difficulty to gain political protection and power through corruption. To gain a political favor doesn't necessarily mean dozens of people will have to be paid off or turn a blind eye; as Vinny said all it takes is one guy who knows a guy in a powerful spot who is willing to take a bribe. I don't know enough about the situation in question to have a valid opinion but it sure wouldn't surprise me to learn that the leader of the most powerful crime syndicate in Chicago had some political favors done for him by someone with as much political power as a Governor who has been proven to be corrupt. Would it really shock you to learn that the corrupt Governor of Illinois pulled some strings to help out the most powerful criminal in his state?

So what your saying is that not only is my theory wrong but the idea of posting a personal theory for discussion is also wrong. So everything should be from a scholarly source and maybe I should but a Bibliography at the end of my posts.

There's no mob boss today that has the political juice to influence things at the federal level. As for the Outfit's clout today, influencing things in order to get a win a bid on a state contract or bribing local cops to leave sports betting or video poker machines alone is one thing. Protecting the top guy from a murder indictment by the Justice Department is something else. If the feds felt they had enough to indict DiFronzo, they would. And I'd think both his day, as well as Andriacchi's, is coming.

You'd be surprised what some people on forums believe. Not only about the current political pull of the Chicago Outfit, but also the very existence of families around the country.

Blago is a good example of where people start trying to connect the dots and end up God knows where. He was supposedly a mob bookie back in the day, and he eventually became governor, so that must mean ________________ .

Hell, why stop there. Our current President is from Chicago....

I think Ivy is right on the mark. The Outfit does not have near the corruptive power it once had. At one time, the Outfit controlled Cicero politics and a good chunk of Chicago. That slowly changed and was largely over with in the 70's and 80's. The case of Harry Aleman and the Outfit paying off a judge in a murder case was in1972. The family secrets case enlightened us to one Marshall and another Cop, I believe

As a result, as Ivy suggests, people start connecting dots whenever there is political corruption in Chicago or Cook County. The dots do not always lead to the Outfit.

For the record, I wasn't trying to bite anyone's head off. The topic of the Outfit, including it's modern day political influence, is just one of those long-debated ones that have come up again and again over on the Real Deal forum. There really are more than a few people, most of them from Chicago not coincidentally, that seem to still envision the Outfit of at least the 1970's, if not before. And God help you if you disagree with their hometown crime family. Getting into debates with them is almost as bad as getting into debates with Albanian posters about Albanian OC. And I'm not insinuating Ontario is either one of these.

When they charged rizzuto in the 3 captains murder in 2004 Vitale was the only eyeball witness( at the time) and the fact that he could be placed in NYC the day after. Rizzuto was charged with 1 count of racketeer murder and nothing else like the Bonannos he was charged with. Difronzo on the other hand had one eyeball witness and could be placed in chicago area that day of the spilotro brothers murder so why not go after him on the one murder(actually two) as well I believe They could have. Marcello was only convicted in one murder. I believe there was political intervention.

Nobody is saying Blagojevich belongs to the Outfit or answers directly to John DiFronzo. Nobody knows that and I personally doubt that very much, but once you are able to establish a connection between two guys, questions will be raised and they'll be raised on legitimate grounds. Just because the Chicago Outfit is more of a joke than the Mormons down in Utah, it doesn't mean they can't have political power. The point is we don't know, but like I said earlier, all you need is one guy who knows one guy.

exactly look at Jack Tocco found guilty and as the main defendant in a RICO case gets 1yr while others get 10. He just happens to own the local Golf and Country Club. Alot of people cried foul on that one.

Nice metaphor Vin! The Outfit and Mormons! ROFL!

Yeah, I believe Barack Obama is a made member of the Chicago Outfit. He's half Italian from his father's side. His father wasn't a Kenian, that's all lies. He was a Sicilian of Moorish ancestry. Obama was never born in Hawai, he was actually born in Partinico!

Everybody knows Obama was born in Park Slope, Brooklyn and grew up with Teddy Persico, Jr. Why is this even a discussion.

If you read what I've said, I still think the Outfit has some political clout on a local level. But not nearly on the level where they could influence whether the top guy is indicted by the US Justice Department.



As a metaphor it doesn't make any sense at all. It's Vinny taking a personal shot at me.

There's is one small link though: both the Chicago Outfit and the Mormons tried to extort Howard Hughes. The Outfit failed, but the Mormons succeeded.

But for the rest it's just Vinny being Vinny, our troll overlord.

The way you scoffed at the possibility of this group having serious political power is what I take issue with. You really don't need much for this to happen. Whitey Bulger was just one guy and his brother was the most powerful politician in the state. All you need is a connection. As long as these groups exist, this is always gonna be a possibility. The ball is gonna land some place. It could be a two faced rat Irish man from Boston or a Compton Crip who's made a fortune as a dope peddler.

Anyway, I hope the Chicago Outfit does something about the Mormon problem down in Utah. It's a long shot, but I'd have more respect for them.

I did not know you were LDS Ivy. Respect - many good people and things about the faith.
But, I will admit to seeing the metaphor.

Need a month off this time??? You're VERY close to it, if not a total permanent banishment, if you cannot respect others' religions or other personal beliefs. There's a way to debate, and a way to just sound like a jackass. Last chance to pick your course and consequences....

I can under no circumstances respect ignorance or religion for that matter. I think that's pretty clear. However, I can respect people who have ignorant views or believe in a higher power. I have great sympathy for the Mormons and especially the children of Mormons. After all, we are all human beings. If anyone here was offended by what I said, then I apologize. Most of the religious people I know have no respect for my atheistic beliefs, but they do respect me as a person and always treat me as one of their own. That is why respect them as human beings and treat them the same way. The Mormon community is no different here.

I'd bet DiFronzo definitely has some friends in high places. It was weird that he wasn't named in that indictment and a lot of people have expressed that (especially that guy who's name escapes me who runs that blog on The Outfit). But like IvyLeague said, to pull those kind of strings on a federal level, dealing with the money and headline hungry Justice Department? It's possible, anything's possible, but it's not probable - my opinion

There is the possibility also which has been floated around, that he's a long time high level informant. I doubt that too but again...

Basically DiFronzo's just been careful as shit with some luck thrown into that. He's managed to stay insulated and on the street - great - but I'd give anyone on here 50/1 that he dies in jail.

I'm scoffing at the idea that DiFronzo's political clout extends to the point where he could be protected from a federal indictment by the US Justice Department. Luciano couldn't keep from being indicted by Dewey in the 1930's but were supposed to believe DiFronzo has that power in the 21st century? Sorry but anyone who believes that is beyond clueless. Or just wants to believe it. There's just no other way to put it.



I shouldn't even reply to this because it's completely off the subject but many of Hughes' closest associates were Mormon. Get your history right.

There's evidence that the Outfit still has some influence with things like cops protecting gambling operations in certain suburbs, a few friendly judges, as well as people in the local government who can steer contracts, dole out jobs, etc. But it's on a narrow, local level. Which is very different than being able to influence who federal prosecutors indict. That's not only improbable. It's impossible in this day and age. DiFronzo would have to have the entire district attorney's office in his pocket.

Both DiFronzo's and Andriacchi's day is coming.

U don`t understand If for sake of argument Blagojevich was in Difronzos pocket He could then use his position as governor to lobby either directly or indirectly the federal justice departmentt or somebody higher to keep his name of the indictment(giving a noble reason like we want to get him on a state level as a trophy case) In exchange he might grant them a favour that would help them in another area This is entirely possible in my mind.Bulger didnt need the entire justice department or district attorneys office to keep his name off countless indictments for years just his brother and a few fbi agents subordinate.

Maybe I was joking? But there is much debate about Hughes' relationship with those Mormons though.

ONTARIO...in your last post your argument would suggest that many people would end up being involved. I just don't see how, if he was in his pocket, he could then as governor lobby the federal government not to indict the boss but all others. That's first. Then if that did happen, he would then owe this one a favor and on down the line. To many people involved and its so risky..especially for people of power. Then if this was true, I am sure others who were indicted knew that he had him in his pocket and someone would end up spilling the beans. You know how everything ends up coming out these days. I think its pretty cool and definitely makes you think. I apreciate your reasearch and opinion, I just don't see it...on the federal level.

Like Ivey said, I am sure there are plenty of local corruption still within the outfit but on the Federal level it would just be so hard nowadays.

So your saying that the Truth about the corruption would eventually come out and they would be convicted of corruption but the truth about the spilotro murder also eventually came out and that didnt cause a conviction for murder for difronzo
so what makes you think they would care if it ever came out corruption is much easier to deny than murder. But thanks for the kind words and I appreciate your opinion aswell and the polite tone.

So we go from Blago being a bookie years ago (which there's very little info on), to him reaching the governor's office, to him using his position to influence the Justice Department in behalf of DiFronzo? This is the kind of connect the dots in order to base conclusions on assumptions or hypotheticals that makes people think the Outfit has more influence than it really does. And you use unique and extraordinary examples, like Whitey Bulger (very much the exception to the rule), as support? Even if, by some chance, Blago did try to intervene for DiFronzo, even as state governor he has virtually zero pull over the federal attorney's office or who they charge. Not to mention going out on a long limb for a known mob boss. And, like I said before, if he did have pull why not protect Lombardo and Marcello as well?

I started the sentence with "for sake of argument" thats just an example of a scenario thats possible U still don`t understand IVYLEAGUE and who says difronzo if he`s the one with connects to higher office even cares if lombardo and marcello fall more money for him.Oh its of limits to use the Bulger situation as an argument for political protection at the federal level ok sorry IVY I didnt know about the no Bulger rule forgive me i just thought it was very relevant to my argument but u make the rules.

IVYLEAGUE do u believe that there is little to no corruption in the federal government of the USA? this is a question not an accusation

Corruption in the federal government related to LCN? No.

You`re Wrong and explain how LCN bosses always Know when they`ve been indicted Federally how did joe Massino know the date time and names of arresting agents when he was arrested in 2002. What about James Trafficante and the youngstown mob. Federal marshal that was helping the Outfit find out about nick calabrese`s cooperation. What about the money they Funnel to candiates in federal elections. These are just minor examples as I dont want to speculate on larger ones.If Italy and canada `s governments can be penetrated federally thAN SO CAN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT.

He knew which agents were assigned to him because he had done his own research on them long before. He suspected the general time of the arrest because he saw them outside his house the day before. In fact, that's when Massino told them he thought they were coming.




Isolated cases. Hardly proof of institutionalized corruption related to the mob.



Money gets funneled from mobbed up companies and unions to some politicians. Unless the OC link is identified, in which the funds are returned.



Actually, those are what would be considered major examples today. And most of what you do is speculate. But believe what you want.

mANY OF THESE ARE PROVEN CAESE SO i ADDED SOME OPINIONS THATS IT BUT YOU CAN BELIEVE iN WHATTEVER bs. U WANT FROM THE OTHER POSTS IT SEEMS U ALREADY believe IN A BUNCH OF bs.

You throw a wild theory out that DiFronzo was protected from a federal indictment by political protection. And then you go all around the country, trying to find whatever unrelated and isolated examples will help your case. Like I said, believe what you want. But as I also said, anyone who believes a mob boss has that kind of juice in the 21st century is living in fantasy land.

you SAID THERES NO CORRUPTION IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH IS THE GOVERNMENT THAT IS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY SO USING EXAMPLES OUTSIDE CHICAGO AS WELL AS INSIDE IS PERFECTLY RELEVANT mAN YOU`RE GETTING DESPERATE WITH YOUR QUASI ARGUMENTS
TRYING TO TELL ME WHATS FAIRGAME TO BE USED IN MY ARGUMENT SO U CAN LIMIT THE SPECTRUM OF MY ARGUMENT AND BASICALLY TIE ME UP WELL IT AIN`T WORKING. u KNOW WHATS FCKED UP ABOUT YOUY IS THAT YOU NEVER START NEW pOSTS(EXCEPT A FEW LINKS TO NEWS STORIES THAT ANYONE COULD EASILY FIND THEMSELVES) OF YOUR OWN (AT LEAST SINCE I`V JOINED) FROM WHAT i CAN SEE BUT u LOVE TO SCRUTINIZE OTHERS
u THINK OF YOURSELF aS THE gENOVESE fAMILY OF gANGSTER BB THE ONE WHO ALWAYS GETS IT RIGHT, SMARTER THAN EVERYONE. i BET u IF i WOULD HAVE MADE A POST THAT SAID bLAGO WAS NOT PROTECTING dIFRONZO YOU WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE OTHER SIDE AND SAID THERE`S PLENTY OF PROOF DIFRONZO IS PROTECTED FEDERALLY. u THINK OF YOURSELF AS A LAWYER WHO CAN DEBATE BOTH SIDES OF A QUESTION SUCCESSFULLY. wHY DONT U POST UR OWN OPINIONS INSTEAD OF RIPPING OTHERS?

Why don't you check you Caps Lock once in a while?

You`re right about that I`d like to take a knife and cut the damn caps lock button off my keyboard. it comes on without me noticing

IVYLEAGUE why not start your own post based on an opinion that you personally came to on your own without newspapers and tell us a the story about your opinion. I dont mean that you cant use media sources to support your argument I just mean I want to see something original by Ivyleague. You scoff at, and ridicule alot of everyone elses original opinions or original ideas. You go apeshit over others theories about LCN. Lets hear an original opinion on something Mafia Or LCN., even a theory. IT`s ABOUT TIME IVYLEAGFUE STEPPED UP and defended his opinions

the best way to defend anything is with cold hard facts. alot of the media sources are wrong but there also correct alot of times. i understand where ivy is coming from because he does use alot of good sources. an opinion is just another word for speculation

being from illinois thats the chicago and illinois way with politics and politicians and government officials always on the take its been that way forever... and about MR DIFRONZO being protected thats a big big statement to be saying or accusing someone of having especially considering the fact that everybody in chicago is well aware of the family secrets two indictments that are looming over the rest of the outfit and grand jury probing into past as well as up to date crimes and so on and so forth since being that blagovich was a small time bookie while he was working in the dupage county states attorneys office back in the 1980's he had to kick up to somebody connected .... but who knows with these politicians they get voted in and forget about their friends who helped them get into office .... heres a nice thinker of a question why did mayor daley retire so quick .... could it have been that he was forewarned about the possible indictment of certain outfit members and he might be brought up because of his friendships to fred barbara who is a close friend of the former mayor and was accused of participating in an outfit linked arson... who knows just food for thought

since this is you`re first post I think that Ivyleague tracked u down on Real Deal or one of the other LCN sites and asked u to sign up to support his argument. Or maybe it`s ivy league under another alias but the fact that its ur first post means I give no weigtht to you`re contrived argument. why havent u posted here before then out the blue u seemingly come to discredit me and back IVYLEAGHE Nice try Ivy. He just signed up today if IVY didnt entice him then this is a hell of a coincedence. Right now Ivy I have ur Credebility in the toilet and I just flushed it U send trolls on here to back ur arguments how low.

i dont know anybody on this site schizo .... ive been reading this site for the last month and finally decided to join and considering im from chicago its my area of specialty i grew up in the shit cuzzo .... so sorry to disappoint ya brotha... but im not who you think i am sam .... im from chicago and a little town called cicero look it up kid

Yes Trolls are the best sources since u can make them up yourself
opinion is not a synonym for speculation and expressing your opinions in posts show u mean what u say and are willing to discuss it a position that IVY constanly dodges

and im an historian in lcn organized crime been studying it and following up on it and reading on it for 20 years ... i know my stuff so dont talk wack sh*t.... plus im from the neighborhood and grew up in it bozo so i am on point with my facts .... i know what im talking about ... what about you are you from chicago or cicero or even illinois to know what your talking about ? for the sake of this argument im just gonna say you offended me by saying just cause i made one post that im dumb or dont know what im talking about or am not in the know about this subject or the funniest one that im in cahoots with some other bozo ... for real far fetched real far fetched cuzzo

I know where The f*ck Cicero (Capones fav suburb) is are u doctor seuss IMnot who u think I am sam but i will not eat green eggs and ham. Who u calling kid huh boyy? wow a petty banger from chicago u probly have zero to do with the outfit>

wheres the fam secrets 2 indictments When?

its coming .... just like the first one it took what 2-3 years to unseal the indictment and the outfit was well aware of it coming for years ... and there is word on the streets and in the legal circles its a matter of time ... but family secrets two is coming .... the feds have difronzo dead to rights on the spilotros murders since nick the rat calabrese testified he was there ... but their also going for up to date crimes building a bigger more solid case and trying to take down the rest of the new leadership or committee ... hell since family secrets they got rudy fratto and michael sarno from cicero and tony calabrese who was involved in the anthony the hatch chiaramonti hit who was fingered as the shooter by the person who drove the getaway car and he hasnt been indicted as of yet and thats been ten years now so yeah a big case is up and coming and the chicago underworld is just waiting for the other shoe to drop

wow this coming from someone with 85 posts....stop being childish. your not even funny. harassment and sarcasm are great if its funny. but you are not. your very defensive over nothing. you want people to discuss things but as soon as someone does you attack them on something that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I think it's safe to say ONTARIO613 has lost it. Not to mention starting to get very paranoid. This thread has run it's course.

IVy League U have run your course and mr phatmatress is a cherrypicker joins the post late just to support his raabai IVYLEAGUE. I admit I made A mistake thinking ivy was smart enuff to send that chicago guy clearly that was a coincidence but the facts remain IVY make AN opinioated post of your own or stop ripping into others opinions

Give it a rest. Both those guys are respected posters on here. Nobody is interested in your personal attacks and name calling.

I have not lost anything I am tired as are others of IVYLEAGUE`s rudeness and thinking he`s smarter than everyone I want to destroy his Ideas of hegemony. Ohh Fatasstress I`ve only made 85 posts that means i dont know anything i guess what a stupid way of gauging knowledge.

you are so correct. i don't agree with it. but you bashed someone who only posted once. just because that has posted once does not mean that they just as much knowledge as someone who has posted 85 times. 436 times. or 1176 times. please stop attacking people.

thank you. i try my best to make honest knowledge posts. sometimes with a little humor.

You should be a poet.

Btw, smoking pot can be bad for you're health.

You're about to lose your ability to post here. You've been here all of two weeks and have already upset the apple cart.

Stop making this into your personal sandbox and stop your crusade NOW.

Happy 19K, SC.

Do you suppose DiFronzo has anyways to counteract the shrinking recruitment pool of Italian-Americans?