al capone and john gotti

do you think that john Gotti and al Capone are same?

I think that there are same because of there brutal violence

What do yo mean by "being same"? Looking like each other, similarities? Is that what you mean?

They both were greatly overrated, were too much in public, and used too much violence.

He means their personalities. I wouldn't quite say they are the same, but their methods of doing business were close. If i remember reading somewhere, a turncoat in the Gambino family during Gotti's reign said that alot of the influence Gotti had was based off of The Godfather, which, from seeing the movies, I would say was based off of the second one and the end of the first one. Needless to say, Capone seemed more like the blood hungry mobster, while gotti was more wealth and power killing who he had to in order to get it.

I was actually under the impression that Capone's only real weaknesses was his affinity for the press, although even that, at the time, was not especially negative. He used to recieve standing ovations at baseball games like he was some kind of movie star or something.

As far as his being overrated, I also thought that he ran his operation fairly effectively, eliminating the Northsiders and other Irish gangs as well as the Genna's. Besides his unlucky conviction for tax evasion, I dont see what about his fame and power was overrated.

I'm interested to know your reasoning, Enzo.

Capone represents a mixed picture of success and failure. On the one hand, he built an organization that was far bigger and more powerful than his mentor, Johnny Torrio, had ever envisioned. At his peak, he took in $110 million a year (in nice, solid, gold-backed 1920's dollars). He went beyond the three B's (Booze, Bets and Broads) to build relatively sophisticated business associations and labor rackets that endured after Prohibition was repealed. His organization at times ran Chicago and its suburbs, and wielded big power through Illinois.
On the other hand, Capone was never able to completely squash the Northside gang or even some of the smaller mobs that competed with his Organization. As a result, Chicago became the most violent city in the US during the '20's. His hunger for publicity brought him lots of negative attention from fellow gangsters (who forced him to get himself arrested and spend a year in jail to cool off), and from the President of the US, who made it his top priority to send him away. Capone also was a degenerate gambler (and, according to his most recent biographer, a cocaine addict). He spent nearly all the money that he didn't blow at the track on crooked politicians who deserted him, and on incompetent lawyers who missed opportunities that would have enabled him to beat the tax rap that finished him. And Capone's fear of needles kept him from getting the medical attention that might have prevented his syphillis from reaching the tertiary stage.
What can I say about Gotti that hasn't already been said? Like Capone, he was a publicity hound, and his grandstanding attracted the wrath of law enforcement at every level. But instead of building an organization, he ran his into the ground.

Thanks for the knowledge Turnbull.

I think Capone and Gotti are similar in the sense that they both are brutal but Capone wasnt exactly a don. he was a leader of the misfit which included irish gangsters and even his business leader was a Russian (Guzik). that aside they both were similar.

Woah!

These "misfit" as you call them were one of the most powerful organized crime organizations ever. No, they didn't celebrate the pomp and tradition that New York did. But that's the Chicago way. The Second City has made a career of taking things and making them their own. (IE - pizza, skyscrapers, etc.)

Maybe it's my civic pride showing, but I kind of take offense at them being called misfits. Granted, any organized crime figure can be labeled a misfit, but singling out the Outfit over the New York families is just wrong. They were just as powerful. You don't have to be Italian and "made" to be a criminal mastermind. (Guzik - Russian jew / Humphreys - Welsh / Alex - Greek)

Back to the topic at hand. Honestly the only real comparison between Capone and Gotti is that the spotlight led to their downfall.

I think that might've been a mistake. I think he meant the "Outfit."