War on Terror

On July 22, Jean Charles de Mendes was gunned down mistakenly by London Police.

4 years ago on september 11, US experienced something it never imagined would happen. The tragedy not only shocked the Americans, but also most of the world. Americans could never reconcile to the idea that someone could attack them on their own land, and yet had to face the tragic truth. When the wounds appeared to heal, many of them promised to themselves that they will not let some terrorist affect their way of life.

Compared to that, many beleived that London recovered almost too quickly after the July 7 attacks. They were praised, rightly so, for their resilience. By returning to normalcy, it looked as though they would not let some fanatic terrorist influence their way of life.

Probably jean charles too beleived in that myth. Who knows, he is not alive to share his thoughts. Too bad he looked like a muslim from asia. Too bad he was illegaly staying after his visa expired. No one could blame the police for making a wrong decision in a split second. After all, human reflexes are only so much sophisticated. But he was followed the previous day because he walked out of the building complex where the suspected terrorists were hiding. But not other men that wore thick jackets and carried large backpacks, it was him that they chased. When they shot him, the first news that was released said he is suspected to be from pakistan from his appearance. That was the reason he was monitored. Later they realized he was brazilian by nationality and probably had no idea to harm anyone.

The claim of return to normalcy was a myth. Actually a combination of paranoia, suspicion, deep-rooted hatred, intolerance and Xenophobia resulted in the death of Jean Charles de Mendes. If you look at the iraq situation, one can see the parallels. When hatred takes over reasoning, it does not matter whether civilians are dying. Someone must appease the fears of the collective paranoid minds. Why take a risk to find out who is being fought. Destroy the enemy, whether real or perceived. Terror has shifted from the terroists to the minds of the psychotic.

War on terror is an abused phrase. While the terrorists are being fought, terror itself has not been confronted. The attacks happening around the world are just providing the hate-monger the fuel to justify his hate for the 'others', be it a person from a different country or race or religion. Intolerance and xenophobia, which were dormant in their minds are just finding the channel to express themselves openly. The mass hysteria can subside when the mind is free of prejudice. It is prejudice that needs to be destroyed. Only then one would have truly fought the war on terror. Otherwise the old demons will repeatedly show their ugly heads whenever the mind is weak enough to accept anything that keeps it happily deluded.

This is the last thread I am going to participate discussing terrorism, iraq war, saddam and allied topics. Any comments (genuine/sarcastic), criticisms (constructive/negative) , brickbats, nukes(!), or whatever else is welcome. Thanks for reading.
Svsg

Yes, When hatred took over reasoning, it didn't matter to 19 fanatics whether civilians would die.

Gordon McCannel Aamoth, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Maria Rose Abad, 49, Syosset, N.Y.*
Edelmiro (Ed) Abad, 54, New York, N.Y.*
Andrew Anthony Abate, 37, Melville, N.Y.*
Vincent Abate, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Laurence Christopher Abel, 37*
William F. Abrahamson, 58, Cortland Manor, N.Y.*
Richard Anthony Aceto, 42, Wantagh, N.Y.*
Erica Van Acker, 62, New York, N.Y.*
Heinrich B. Ackermann, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Paul Andrew Acquaviva, 29, Glen Rock, N.J.*
Donald L. Adams, 28, Chatham, N.J.*
Shannon Lewis Adams, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen Adams, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Patrick Adams, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Ignatius Adanga, 62, New York, N.Y.*
Christy A. Addamo, 28, New Hyde Park, N.Y.*
Terence E. Adderley, 22, Bloomfield Hills, Mich.*
Sophia B. Addo, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Lee Adler, 48, Springfield, N.J.*
Daniel Thomas Afflitto, 32, Manalapan, N.J.*
Emmanuel Afuakwah, 37, New York, N.Y.
Alok Agarwal, 36, Jersey City, N.J.*
Mukul Agarwala, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Agnello, 35, New York, N.Y.*
David Scott Agnes, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Joao A. Aguiar Jr., 30, Red Bank, N.J.*
Lt. Brian G. Ahearn, 43, Huntington, N.Y.*
Jeremiah J. Ahern, 74, Cliffside Park, N.J.*
Joanne Ahladiotis, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Shabbir Ahmed, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Terrance Andre Aiken, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Godwin Ajala, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Gertrude M. Alagero, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Andrew Alameno, 37, Westfield, N.J.*
Margaret Ann (Peggy) Jezycki Alario, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Gary Albero, 39, Emerson, N.J.*
Jon L. Albert, 46, Upper Nyack, N.Y.*
Peter Craig Alderman, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Jacquelyn Delaine Aldridge, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Grace Alegre-Cua, 40, Glen Rock, N.J.*
David D. Alger, 57, New York, N.Y.*
Ernest Alikakos, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Edward L. Allegretto, 51, Colonia, N.J.*
Eric Allen, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Ryan Allen, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Richard Lanard Allen, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Richard Dennis Allen, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Edward Allingham, 36, River Edge, N.J.*
Janet M. Alonso, 41, Stony Point, N.Y.*
Anthony Alvarado, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Antonio Javier Alvarez, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Telmo Alvear, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Cesar A. Alviar, 60, Bloomfield, N.J.*
Tariq Amanullah, 40, Metuchen, N.J.*
Angelo Amaranto, 60, New York, N.Y.*
James Amato, 43, Ronkonkoma, N.Y.*
Joseph Amatuccio, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Charles Amoroso, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Kazuhiro Anai, 42, Scarsdale, N.Y.
Calixto Anaya, 35, Suffern, N.Y.*
Jorge Octavio Santos Anaya, 25, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Joseph Peter Anchundia, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Kermit Charles Anderson, 57, Green Brook, N.J.*
Yvette Anderson, 53, New York, N.Y.*
John Andreacchio, 52, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Rourke Andrews, 34, Belle Harbor, N.Y.*
Jean A. Andrucki, 42, Hoboken, N.J.*
Siew-Nya Ang, 37, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Joseph Angelini, 38, Lindenhurst, N.Y.*
Joseph Angelini, 63, Lindenhurst, N.Y.*
Laura Angilletta, 23, New York, N.Y.
Doreen J. Angrisani, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Lorraine D. Antigua, 32, Middletown, N.J.*
Peter Paul Apollo, 26, Hoboken, N.J.*
Faustino Apostol, 55, New York, N.Y.*
Frank Thomas Aquilino, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Patrick Michael Aranyos, 26, New York, N.Y.*
David Gregory Arce, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Michael G. Arczynski, 45, Little Silver, N.J.*
Louis Arena, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Adam Arias, 37, Staten Island, N.Y.*
Michael J. Armstrong, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Jack Charles Aron, 52, Bergenfield, N.J.*
Joshua Aron, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Richard Avery Aronow, 48, Mahwah, N.J.*
Japhet J. Aryee, 49, Spring Valley, N.Y.
Carl Asaro, 39, Middletown, N.Y.*
Michael A. Asciak, 47, Ridgefield, N.J.*
Michael Edward Asher, 53, Monroe, N.Y.*
Janice Ashley, 25, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Thomas J. Ashton, 21, New York, N.Y.*
Manuel O. Asitimbay, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Gregg Arthur Atlas, 45, Howells, N.Y.*
Gerald Atwood, 38, New York, N.Y.*
James Audiffred, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Kenneth W. Van Auken, 47, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Louis F. Aversano, Jr, 58, Manalapan, N.J.*
Ezra Aviles, 41, Commack, N.Y.*
Ayodeji Awe, 42, New York, N.Y
Samuel (Sandy) Ayala, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Arlene T. Babakitis, 47, Secaucus, N.J.*
Eustace (Rudy) Bacchus, 48, Metuchen, N.J.*
John James Badagliacca, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Jane Ellen Baeszler, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Robert J. Baierwalter, 44, Albertson, N.Y.*
Andrew J. Bailey, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Brett T. Bailey, 28, Bricktown, N.J.*
Tatyana Bakalinskaya, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Michael S. Baksh, 36, Englewood, N.J.*
Sharon Balkcom, 43, White Plains, N.Y.*
Michael Andrew Bane, 33, Yardley, Pa.*
Kathy Bantis, 44, Chicago, Ill.*
Gerard Jean Baptiste, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Walter Baran, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Gerard A. Barbara, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Paul V. Barbaro, 35, Holmdel, N.J.*
James W. Barbella, 53, Oceanside, N.Y.*
Ivan Kyrillos Fairbanks Barbosa, 30, Jersey City, N.J.*
Victor Daniel Barbosa, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Colleen Ann Barkow, 26, East Windsor, N.J.*
David Michael Barkway, 34, Toronto, Ontario, Canada*
Matthew Barnes, 37, Monroe, N.Y.*
Sheila Patricia Barnes, 55, Bay Shore, N.Y.*
Evan J. Baron, 38, Bridgewater, N.J.*
Renee Barrett-Arjune, 41, Irvington, N.J.
Arthur T. Barry, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Diane G. Barry, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Maurice Vincent Barry, 49, Rutherford, N.J.*
Scott D. Bart, 28, Malverne, N.Y.*
Carlton W. Bartels, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Guy Barzvi, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Inna Basina, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Alysia Basmajian, 23, Bayonne, N.J.*
Kenneth William Basnicki, 48, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada*
Lt. Steven J. Bates, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Paul James Battaglia, 22, New York, N.Y.*
W. David Bauer, 45, Rumson, N.J.
Ivhan Luis Carpio Bautista, 24, New York, N.Y.*
Marlyn C. Bautista, 46, Iselin, N.J.*
Jasper Baxter, 45, Philadelphia, Pa.*
Michele (Du Berry) Beale, 37, Essex, Britain*
Paul F. Beatini, 40, Park Ridge, N.J.*
Jane S. Beatty, 53, Belford, N.J.*
Larry I. Beck, 38, Baldwin, N.Y.*
Manette Marie Beckles, 43, Rahway, N.J.*
Carl John Bedigian, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Beekman, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Maria Behr, 41, Milford, N.J.
Yelena Belilovsky, 38, Mamaroneck, N.Y.*
Nina Patrice Bell, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Andrea Della Bella, 59, Jersey City, N.J.*
Debbie S. Bellows, 30, East Windsor, N.J.*
Stephen Elliot Belson, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Paul Michael Benedetti, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Denise Lenore Benedetto, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Bryan Craig Bennett, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Oliver Duncan Bennett, 29, London, England*
Eric L. Bennett, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Margaret L. Benson, 52, Rockaway, N.J.*
Dominick J. Berardi, 25, New York, N.Y.
James Patrick Berger, 44, Lower Makefield, Pa.*
Steven Howard Berger, 45, Manalapan, N.J.*
John P. Bergin, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Alvin Bergsohn, 48, Baldwin Harbor, N.Y.*
Daniel D. Bergstein, 38, Teaneck, N.J.*
Michael J. Berkeley, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Donna Bernaerts-Kearns, 44, Hoboken, N.J.*
David W. Bernard, 57, Chelmsford, Mass.*
William Bernstein, 44, New York, N.Y.*
David M. Berray, 39, New York, N.Y.*
David S. Berry, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph J. Berry, 55, Saddle River, N.J.*
William Reed Bethke, 36, Hamilton, N.J.*
Timothy D. Betterly, 42, Little Silver, N.J.*
Edward F. Beyea, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Paul Michael Beyer, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Anil T. Bharvaney, 41, East Windsor, N.J.*
Bella Bhukhan, 24, Union, N.J.*
Shimmy D. Biegeleisen, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Peter Alexander Bielfeld, 44, New York, N.Y.*
William Biggart, 54, New York, N.Y.*
Brian Bilcher, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Carl Vincent Bini, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Gary Bird, 51, Tempe, Ariz.*
Joshua David Birnbaum, 24, New York, N.Y.*
George Bishop, 52, Granite Springs, N.Y.*
Jeffrey D. Bittner, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Balewa Albert Blackman, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Joseph Blackwell, 42, Patterson, N.Y.*
Susan L. Blair, 35, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Harry Blanding, 38, Blakeslee, Pa.*
Janice L. Blaney, 55, Williston Park, N.Y.*
Craig Michael Blass, 27, Greenlawn, N.Y.*
Rita Blau, 52, New York, N.Y.*
Richard M. Blood, 38, Ridgewood, N.J.*
Michael A. Boccardi, 30, Bronxville, N.Y.
John Paul Bocchi, 38, New Vernon, N.J.*
Michael L. Bocchino, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Susan Mary Bochino, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Bruce Douglas (Chappy) Boehm, 49, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Mary Katherine Boffa, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Nicholas A. Bogdan, 34, Browns Mills, N.J.*
Darren C. Bohan, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Lawrence Francis Boisseau, 36, Freehold, N.J.*
Vincent M. Boland, 25, Ringwood, N.J.*
Alan Bondarenko, 53, Flemington, N.J.*
Andre Bonheur, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Colin Arthur Bonnett, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Frank Bonomo, 42, Port Jefferson, N.Y.*
Yvonne L. Bonomo, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Sean Booker, 35, Irvington, N.J.*
Sherry Ann Bordeaux, 38, Jersey City, N.J.*
Krystine C. Bordenabe, 33, Old Bridge, N.J.*
Martin Boryczewski, 29, Parsippany, N.J.*
Richard E. Bosco, 34, Suffern, N.Y.*
John Howard Boulton, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Francisco Bourdier, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas H. Bowden, 36, Wyckoff, N.J.*
Kimberly S. Bowers, 31, Islip, N.Y.*
Veronique (Bonnie) Nicole Bowers, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Larry Bowman, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Shawn Edward Bowman, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin L. Bowser, 45, Philadelphia, Pa.*
Gary R. Box, 37, North Bellmore, N.Y.*
Gennady Boyarsky, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Pamela Boyce, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Boyle, 37, Westbury, N.Y.*
Alfred Braca, 54, Leonardo, N.J.*
Sandra Conaty Brace, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin H. Bracken, 37, New York, N.Y.*
David Brian Brady, 41, Summit, N.J.*
Alexander Braginsky, 38, Stamford, Conn.*
Nicholas W. Brandemarti, 21, Mantua, N.J.*
Michelle Renee Bratton, 23, Yonkers, N.Y.*
Patrice Braut, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Lydia Estelle Bravo, 50, Dunellen, N.J.*
Ronald Michael Breitweiser, 39, Middletown Township, N.J.*
Edward A. Brennan, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Frank H. Brennan, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Emmett Brennan, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Peter Brennan, 30, Ronkonkoma, N.Y.*
Thomas M. Brennan, 32, Scarsdale, N.Y.
Capt. Daniel Brethel, 43, Farmingdale, N.Y.*
Gary L. Bright, 36, Union City, N.J.*
Jonathan Eric Briley, 43, Mount Vernon, N.Y.*
Mark A. Brisman, 34, Armonk, N.Y.*
Paul Gary Bristow, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Victoria Alvarez Brito, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Mark Francis Broderick, 42, Old Bridge, N.J.*
Herman C. Broghammer, 58, North Merrick, N.Y.*
Keith Broomfield, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Janice J. Brown, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Lloyd Brown, 28, Bronxville, N.Y.*
Capt. Patrick J. Brown, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Bettina Browne, 49, Atlantic Beach, N.Y.*
Mark Bruce, 40, Summit, N.J.*
Richard Bruehert, 38, Westbury, N.Y.*
Andrew Brunn, 28*
Capt. Vincent Brunton, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Ronald Paul Bucca, 47, Tuckahoe, N.Y.*
Brandon J. Buchanan, 24, New York, N.Y.*
Greg Joseph Buck, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Dennis Buckley, 38, Chatham, N.J.*
Nancy Bueche, 43, Hicksville, N.Y.*
Patrick Joseph Buhse, 36, Lincroft, N.J.*
John E. Bulaga, 35, Paterson, N.J.*
Stephen Bunin, 45, New York, N.Y.
Thomas Daniel Burke, 38, Bedford Hills, N.Y.*
Capt. William F. Burke, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Matthew J. Burke, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Donald James Burns, 61, Nissequogue, N.Y.*
Kathleen A. Burns, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Keith James Burns, 39, East Rutherford, N.J.*
John Patrick Burnside, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Irina Buslo, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Milton Bustillo, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas M. Butler, 37, Kings Park, N.Y.*
Patrick Byrne, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Timothy G. Byrne, 36, Manhattan, N.Y.*
Jesus Cabezas, 66, New York, N.Y.*
Lillian Caceres, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Brian Joseph Cachia, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Steven Cafiero, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Richard M. Caggiano, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Cecile M. Caguicla, 55, Boonton, N.J.*
Michael John Cahill, 37, East Williston, N.Y.*
Scott W. Cahill, 30, West Caldwell, N.J.*
Thomas J. Cahill, 36, Franklin Lakes, N.J.*
George Cain, 35, Massapequa, N.Y.*
Salvatore B. Calabro, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Calandrillo, 49, Hawley, Pa.*
Philip V. Calcagno, 57, New York, N.Y.
Edward Calderon, 44, Jersey City, N.J.*


Kenneth Marcus Caldwell, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Dominick E. Calia, 40, Manalapan, N.J.*
Felix (Bobby) Calixte, 38, New York, N.Y.
Capt. Frank Callahan, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Liam Callahan, 44, Rockaway, N.J.*
Luigi Calvi, 34, East Rutherford, N.J.*
Roko Camaj, 60, Manhasset, N.Y.*
Michael Cammarata, 22, Huguenot, N.Y.*
David Otey Campbell, 51, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
Geoffrey Thomas Campbell, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Sandra Patricia Campbell, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Jill Marie Campbell, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Robert Arthur Campbell, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Juan Ortega Campos, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Sean Canavan, 39, New York, N.Y.*
John A. Candela, 42, Glen Ridge, N.J.*
Vincent Cangelosi, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen J. Cangialosi, 40, Middletown, N.J.*
Lisa B. Cannava, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Brian Cannizzaro, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Michael R. Canty, 30, Schenectady, N.Y.*
Louis A. Caporicci, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Jonathan N. Cappello, 23, Garden City, N.Y.*
James Christopher Cappers, 33, Wading River, N.Y.*
Richard M. Caproni, 34, Lynbrook, N.Y.*
Jose Cardona, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Dennis M Carey, 51, Wantagh, N.Y.*
Edward Carlino, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Scott Carlo, 34, New York, N.Y.*
David G. Carlone, 46, Randolph, N.J.*
Rosemarie C. Carlson, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Mark Stephen Carney, 41, Rahway, N.J.
Joyce Ann Carpeneto, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Alicia Acevedo Carranza, Teziutlan, Puebla, Mexico
Jeremy M. Carrington, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Michael T. Carroll, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Peter Carroll, 42, New York, N.Y.*
James J. Carson, 32, Massapequa, N.Y.*
James Marcel Cartier, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Vivian Casalduc, 45, New York, N.Y.*
John F. Casazza, 38, Colts Neck, N.J.*
Paul Cascio, 23, Manhasset, N.Y.*
Kathleen Hunt Casey, 43, Middletown, N.J.*
Margarito Casillas, 54, Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
Thomas Anthony Casoria, 29, New York, N.Y.*
William Otto Caspar, 57, Eatontown, N.J.*
Alejandro Castano, 35, Englewood, N.J.*
Arcelia Castillo, 49, Elizabeth, N.J.*
Leonard M. Castrianno, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Jose Ramon Castro, 37, New York, N.Y.
Richard G. Catarelli, 47, New York, N.Y.
Christopher Sean Caton, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Robert J. Caufield, 48, Valley Stream, N.Y.*
Mary Teresa Caulfield, 58, New York, N.Y.*
Judson Cavalier, 26, Huntington, N.Y.*
Michael Joseph Cawley, 32, Bellmore, N.Y.*
Jason D. Cayne, 32, Morganville, N.J.*
Juan Armando Ceballos, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Marcia G. Cecil-Carter, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Jason Cefalu, 30, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Thomas J. Celic, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Ana M. Centeno, 38, Bayonne, N.J.*
Joni Cesta, 37, Bellmore, N.Y.*
Jeffrey M. Chairnoff, 35, West Windsor, N.J.*
Swarna Chalasani, 33, Jersey City, N.J.*
William Chalcoff, 41, Roslyn, N.Y.*
Eli Chalouh, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Charles Lawrence (Chip) Chan, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Mandy Chang, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Mark L. Charette, 38, Millburn, N.J.*
Gregorio Manuel Chavez, 48, New York, N.Y.
Jayceryll M. de Chavez, 24, Carteret, N.J.*
Pedro Francisco Checo, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Douglas MacMillan Cherry, 38, Maplewood, N.J.*
Stephen Patrick Cherry, 41, Stamford, Conn.*
Vernon Paul Cherry, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Nestor Chevalier, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Swede Joseph Chevalier, 26, Locust, N.J.*
Alexander H. Chiang, 51, New City, N.Y.*
Dorothy J. Chiarchiaro, 61, Glenwood, N.J.*
Luis Alfonso Chimbo, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Robert Chin, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Wing Wai (Eddie) Ching, 29, Union, N.J.*
Nicholas P. Chiofalo, 39, Selden, N.Y.*
John Chipura, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Peter A. Chirchirillo, 47, Langhorne, Pa.*
Catherine E. Chirls, 47, Princeton, N.J.*
Kyung (Kaccy) Cho, 30, Clifton, N.J.*
Abul K. Chowdhury, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Mohammed Salahuddin Chowdhury, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Kirsten L. Christophe, 39, Maplewood, N.J.*
Pamela Chu, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Steven Paul Chucknick, 44, Cliffwood Beach, N.J.*
Wai-ching Chung, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Ciafardini, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Alex F. Ciccone, 38, New Rochelle, N.Y.*
Frances Ann Cilente, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Elaine Cillo, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Edna Cintron, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Nestor Andre Cintron, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Robert Dominick Cirri, 39, Nutley, N.J.*
Juan Pablo Alvarez Cisneros, 23, Weehawken, N.J.*
Gregory Alan Clark, 40, Teaneck, N.J.*
Mannie Leroy Clark, 54, New York, N.Y.
Thomas R. Clark, 37, Summit, N.J.*
Eugene Clark, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Benjamin Keefe Clark, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Robert Clarke, 34, Philadelphia, Pa.*
Donna Clarke, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Clarke, 27, Prince's Bay, N.Y.*
Suria R.E. Clarke, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin Francis Cleary, 38, New York, N.Y.*
James D. Cleere, 55, Newton, Iowa*
Geoffrey W. Cloud, 36, Stamford, Conn.*
Susan M. Clyne, 42, Lindenhurst, N.Y.*
Steven Coakley, 36, Deer Park, N.Y.*
Jeffrey Coale, 31, Souderton, Pa.*
Patricia A. Cody, 46, Brigantine, N.J.*
Daniel Michael Coffey, 54, Newburgh, N.Y.*
Jason Matthew Coffey, 25, Newburgh, N.Y.*
Florence Cohen, 62, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin Sanford Cohen, 28, Edison, N.J.*
Anthony Joseph Coladonato, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Mark J. Colaio, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen J. Colaio, 32, Montauk, N.Y.*
Christopher M. Colasanti, 33, Hoboken, N.J.*
Michel Paris Colbert, 39, West New York, N.J.*
Kevin Nathaniel Colbert, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Keith Eugene Coleman, 34, Warren, N.J.*
Scott Thomas Coleman, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Tarel Coleman, 32*
Liam Joseph Colhoun, 34, Flushing,, N.Y.*
Robert D. Colin, 49, West Babylon, N.Y.*
Robert J. Coll, 35, Glen Ridge, N.J.*
Jean Marie Collin, 42, New York, N.Y.*
John Michael Collins, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Michael L. Collins, 38, Montclair, N.J.*
Thomas J. Collins, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Collison, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Patricia Malia Colodner, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Linda M. Colon, 46, Perrineville, N.J.*
Soledi Colon, 39, New York, N.Y.
Ronald Comer, 56, Northport, N.Y.*
Jaime Concepcion, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Albert Conde, 62, Englishtown, N.J.*
Denease Conley, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Susan Clancy Conlon, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Margaret Mary Conner, 57, New York, N.Y.*
John E. Connolly, 46, Allenwood, N.J.*
Cynthia L. Connolly, 40, Metuchen, N.J.*
James Lee Connor, 38, Summit, N.J.*
Jonathan (J.C.) Connors, 55, Old Brookville, N.Y.
Kevin P. Connors, 55, Greenwich, Conn.*
Kevin Francis Conroy, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Brenda E. Conway, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Dennis Michael Cook, 33, Colts Neck, N.J.*
Helen D. Cook, 24, New York, N.Y.*
John A. Cooper, 40, Bayonne, N.J.*
Joseph J. Coppo, 47, New Canaan, Conn.*
Gerard J. Coppola, 46, New Providence, N.J.*
Joseph Albert Corbett, 28, Islip, N.Y.*
Alejandro Cordero, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Robert Cordice, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Ruben D. Correa, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Danny A. Correa-Gutierrez, 25, Fairview, N.J.*
James Corrigan, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Carlos Cortes, 57, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin M. Cosgrove, 46, West Islip, N.Y.*
Dolores Marie Costa, 53, Middletown, N.J.*
Digna Alexandra Rivera Costanza, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Charles Gregory Costello, 46, Old Bridge, N.J.*
Michael S. Costello, 27, Hoboken, N.J.*
Conrod K.H. Cottoy, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Martin Coughlan, 54, New York, N.Y.*
Sgt. John Gerard Coughlin, 43, Pomona, N.Y.*
Timothy John Coughlin, 42, New York, N.Y.*
James E. Cove, 48, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Andre Cox, 29, New York, N.Y.
Frederick John Cox, 27, New York, N.Y.*
James Raymond Coyle, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Michelle Coyle-Eulau, 38, Garden City, N.Y.*
Anne M. Cramer, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Seton Cramer, 34, Manahawkin, N.J.*
Denise Crant, 46, Hackensack, N.J.*
Robert James Crawford, 62, New York, N.Y.*
James L. Crawford, 33, Madison, N.J.*
Joanne Mary Cregan, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Lucia Crifasi, 51, Glendale, N.Y.*
Lt. John Crisci, 48, Holbrook, N.Y.*
Daniel Hal Crisman, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Dennis A. Cross, 60, Islip Terrace, N.Y.*
Helen Crossin-Kittle, 34, Larchmont, N.Y.*
Kevin Raymond Crotty, 43, Summit, N.J.
Thomas G. Crotty, 42, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
John Crowe, 57, Rutherford, N.J.*
Welles Remy Crowther, 24, Upper Nyack, N.Y.*
Robert L. Cruikshank, 64, New York, N.Y.
Francisco Cruz, 47, New York, N.Y.*
John Robert Cruz, 32, Jersey City, N.J.*
Kenneth John Cubas, 48, Woodstock, N.Y.*
Richard Joseph Cudina, 46, Glen Gardner, N.J.*
Neil James Cudmore, 38, Port Washington, N.Y.*
Thomas Patrick Cullen, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Joan McConnell Cullinan, 47, Scarsdale, N.Y.*
Joyce Cummings, 65*
Brian Thomas Cummins, 38, Manasquan, N.J.*
Nilton Albuquerque Fernao Cunha, 41
Michael Joseph Cunningham, 39, Princeton Junction, N.J.*
Robert Curatolo, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Laurence Curia, 41, Garden City, N.Y.*
Paul Dario Curioli, 53, Norwalk, Conn.*
Beverly Curry, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Sgt. Michael Curtin, 45, Medford, N.Y.*
Gavin Cushny, 47, Hoboken, N.J.*
Caleb Arron Dack, 39, Montclair, N.J.*
Carlos S. DaCosta, 41, Elizabeth, N.J.*
John D'Allara, 47, Pearl River, N.Y.*
Vincent D'Amadeo, 36, East Patchoque, N.Y.*
Thomas A. Damaskinos, 33, Matawan, N.J.*
Jack L. D'Ambrosi, 45, Woodcliff Lake, N.J.
Jeannine Marie Damiani-Jones, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Patrick W. Danahy, 35, Yorktown Heights, N.Y.*
Nana Kwuku Danso, 47, New York, N.Y.
Mary D'Antonio, 55, New York, N.Y.
Vincent G. Danz, 38, Farmingdale, N.Y.*
Dwight Donald Darcy, 55, Bronxville, N.Y.*
Elizabeth Ann Darling, 28, Newark, N.J.*
Annette Andrea Dataram, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Edward Alexander D'Atri, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Michael D. D'Auria, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Lawrence Davidson, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Allen Davidson, 27, Westfield, N.J.*
Scott Matthew Davidson, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Titus Davidson, 55, New York, N.Y.
Niurka Davila, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Clinton Davis, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Wayne Terrial Davis, 29, Fort Meade, Md.*
Calvin Dawson, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Anthony Richard Dawson, 32, Southampton, Hampshire, England*
Edward James Day, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Emerita (Emy) De La Pena, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Melanie Louise De Vere, 30, London, England*
William T. Dean, 35, Floral Park, N.Y.*
Robert J. DeAngelis, 48, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Thomas P. Deangelis, 51, Westbury, N.Y.*
Tara Debek, 35, Babylon, N.Y.*
Anna Debin, 30, East Farmingdale, N.Y.*
James V. DeBlase, 45, Manalapan, N.J.*
Paul DeCola, 39, Ridgewood, N.Y.*
Simon Dedvukaj, 26, Mohegan Lake, N.Y.*
Jason Christopher DeFazio, 29, New York, N.Y.*
David A. Defeo, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Jennifer DeJesus, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Monique E. DeJesus, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Nereida DeJesus, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Donald A. Delapenha, 37, Allendale, N.J.*
Vito Joseph Deleo, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Danielle Delie, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Colleen Ann Deloughery, 41, Bayonne, N.J.*
Francis (Frank) Albert DeMartini, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Anthony Demas, 61, New York, N.Y.*
Martin DeMeo, 47, Farmingville, N.Y.*
Francis X. Deming, 47, Franklin Lakes, N.J.*
Carol K. Demitz, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin Dennis, 43, Peapack, N.J.
Thomas F. Dennis, 43, Setauket, N.Y.*
Jean C. DePalma, 42, Newfoundland, N.J.*
Jose Nicolas Depena, 42, New York, N.Y.
Robert J. Deraney, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Michael DeRienzo, 37, Hoboken, N.J.*
David Paul Derubbio, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Jemal Legesse DeSantis, 28, Jersey City, N.J.*
Christian L. DeSimone, 23, Ringwood, N.J.*
Edward DeSimone, 36, Atlantic Highlands, N.J.*
Lt. Andrew Desperito, 44, Patchogue, N.Y.*
Michael Jude D'Esposito, 32, Morganville, N.J.*
Cindy Ann Deuel, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Jerry DeVito, 66, New York, N.Y.*
Robert P. Devitt, 36, Plainsboro, N.J.*
Dennis Lawrence Devlin, 51, Washingtonville, N.Y.*
Gerard Dewan, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Simon Suleman Ali Kassamali Dhanani, 62, Hartsdale, N.Y.*
Michael L. DiAgostino, 41, Garden City, N.Y.*
Matthew Diaz, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Nancy Diaz, 28, New York, N.Y.
Obdulio Ruiz Diaz, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Lourdes Galletti Diaz, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Diaz-Piedra, 49*
Judith Belguese Diaz-Sierra, 32, Bay Shore, N.Y.*
Patricia F. DiChiaro, 63, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Dermot Dickey, 50, Manhasset, N.Y.*
Lawrence Patrick Dickinson, 35, Morganville, N.J.*
Michael David Diehl, 48, Brick, N.J.*
John DiFato, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Vincent F. DiFazio, 43, Hampton, N.J.*
Carl DiFranco, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Donald J. DiFranco, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Debra Ann DiMartino, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen P. Dimino, 48, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
William J. Dimmling, 47, Garden City, N.Y.*
Christopher Dincuff, 31, Jersey City, N.J.*
Jeffrey M. Dingle, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Anthony DiOnisio, 38, Glen Rock, N.J.*
George DiPasquale, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph DiPilato, 57, New York, N.Y.*
Douglas Frank DiStefano, 24, Hoboken, N.J.*
Ramzi A. Doany, 35, Bayonne, N.J., Jordanian*
John J. Doherty, 58, Hartsdale, N.Y.*
Melissa C. Doi, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Brendan Dolan, 37, Glen Rock, N.J.*
Neil Dollard, 28, Hoboken, N.J.*
James Joseph Domanico, 56, New York, N.Y.*
Benilda Pascua Domingo, 37, New York, N.Y.
Charles (Carlos) Dominguez, 34, East Meadow, N.Y.*
Geronimo (Jerome) Mark Patrick Dominguez, 37, Holtsville, N.Y.*
Lt. Kevin W. Donnelly, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Jacqueline Donovan, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen Dorf, 39, New Milford, N.J.*
Thomas Dowd, 37, Monroe, N.Y.*
Lt. Kevin Christopher Dowdell, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Mary Yolanda Dowling, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Raymond M. Downey, 63, Deer Park, N.Y.*
Joseph M. Doyle, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Frank Joseph Doyle, 39, Englewood, N.J.*
Randy Drake, 37, Lee's Summit, Mo.*
Stephen Patrick Driscoll, 38, Lake Carmel, N.Y.*
Mirna A. Duarte, 31, New York, N.Y.
Luke A. Dudek, 50, Livingston, N.J.*
Christopher Michael Duffy, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Gerard Duffy, 53, Manorville, N.Y.*
Michael Joseph Duffy, 29, Northport, N.Y.*
Thomas W. Duffy, 52, Pittsford, N.Y.
Antoinette Duger, 44, Belleville, N.J.*
Jackie Sayegh Duggan, 34*
Sareve Dukat, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Joseph Dunne, 28, Mineola, N.Y.
Richard A. Dunstan, 54, New Providence, N.J.*
Patrick Thomas Dwyer, 37, Nissequogue, N.Y.*
Joseph Anthony Eacobacci, 26, New York, N.Y.*
John Bruce Eagleson, 53, Middlefield, Conn.*
Robert D. Eaton, 37, Manhasset, N.Y.*
Dean P. Eberling, 44, Cranford, N.J.*
Margaret Ruth Echtermann, 33, Hoboken, N.J.*
Paul Robert Eckna, 28, West New York, N.J.
Constantine (Gus) Economos, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Dennis Michael Edwards, 35, Huntington, N.Y.*
Michael Hardy Edwards, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Lisa Egan, 31, Cliffside Park, N.J.*
Capt. Martin Egan, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Egan, 51, Middletown, N.J.*
Christine Egan, 55, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada*
Samantha Egan, 24, Jersey City, N.J.*
Carole Eggert, 60, New York, N.Y.
Lisa Caren Weinstein Ehrlich, 36, New York, N.Y.*
John Ernst (Jack) Eichler, 69, Cedar Grove, N.J.*
Eric Adam Eisenberg, 32, Commack, N.Y.*
Daphne F. Elder, 36, Newark, N.J.*
Michael J. Elferis, 27, College Point, N.Y.*
Mark J. Ellis, 26, South Huntington, N.Y.*
Valerie Silver Ellis, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Albert Alfy William Elmarry, 30, North Brunswick, N.J.*
Edgar H. Emery, 45, Clifton, N.J.*
Doris Suk-Yuen Eng, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher S. Epps, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Ulf Ramm Ericson, 79, Greenwich, Conn.*
Erwin L. Erker, 41, Farmingdale, N.Y.*
William J. Erwin, 30, Verona, N.J.*
Sarah (Ali) Escarcega, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Jose Espinal, 31
Fanny M. Espinoza, 29, Teaneck, N.J.*
Francis Esposito, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Michael Esposito, 41, New York, N.Y.*
William Esposito, 51, Bellmore, N.Y.*
Brigette Ann Esposito, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Ruben Esquilin, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Sadie Ette, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Barbara G. Etzold, 43, Jersey City, N.J.*
Eric Brian Evans, 31, Weehawken, N.J.*
Robert Edward Evans, 36, Franklin Square, N.Y.*
Meredith Emily June Ewart, 29, Hoboken, N.J.*
Catherine K. Fagan, 58, New York, N.Y.*
Patricia M. Fagan, 55, Toms River, N.J.*
Keith G. Fairben, 24, Floral Park, N.Y.*
William Fallon, 38, Coram, N.Y.*
William F. Fallon, 53, Rocky Hill, N.J.*
Anthony J. Fallone, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Dolores B. Fanelli, 38, Farmingville, N.Y.*
John Joseph Fanning, 54, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Kathleen (Kit) Faragher, 33, Denver, Colo.*
Capt. Thomas Farino, 37, Bohemia, N.Y.*
Nancy Carole Farley, 45, Jersey City, N.J.*
Elizabeth Ann (Betty) Farmer, 62, New York, N.Y.*
Douglas Farnum, 33, New York, N.Y.*
John W. Farrell, 41, Basking Ridge, N.J.
Terrence Patrick Farrell, 45, Huntington, N.Y.*
John G. Farrell, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Capt. Joseph Farrelly, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas P. Farrelly, 54, East Northport, N.Y.*
Syed Abdul Fatha, 54, Newark, N.J.*
Christopher Faughnan, 37, South Orange, N.J.*
Wendy R. Faulkner, 47, Mason, Ohio*
Shannon M. Fava, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Bernard D. Favuzza, 52, Suffern, N.Y.*
Robert Fazio, 41, Freeport, N.Y.*
Ronald C. Fazio, 57, Closter, N.J.*
William Feehan, 72, New York, N.Y.*
Francis J. (Frank) Feely, 41, Middletown, N.Y.*
Garth E. Feeney, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Sean B. Fegan, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Lee S. Fehling, 28, Wantagh, N.Y.*
Peter Feidelberg, 34, Hoboken, N.J.*
Alan D. Feinberg, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Rosa Maria Feliciano, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Edward T. Fergus, 40, Wilton, Conn.
George Ferguson, 54, Teaneck, N.J.
Henry Fernandez, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Judy H. Fernandez, 27, Parlin, N.J.*
Jose Manuel Contreras Fernandez, El Aguacate, Jalisco, Mexico
Elisa Giselle Ferraina, 27, London, England*
Anne Marie Sallerin Ferreira, 29, Jersey City, N.J.*
Robert John Ferris, 63, Garden City, N.Y.*
David Francis Ferrugio, 46, Middletown, N.J.
Louis V. Fersini, 38, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
Michael David Ferugio, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Bradley James Fetchet, 24, New York, N.Y.*
Jennifer Louise Fialko, 29, Teaneck, N.J.*
Kristen Fiedel, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Samuel Fields, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Bradley Finnegan, 37, Basking Ridge, N.J.
Timothy J. Finnerty, 33, Glen Rock, N.J.*
Michael Curtis Fiore, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen J. Fiorelli, 43, Aberdeen, N.J.*
Paul M. Fiori, 31, Yorktown Heights, N.Y.*
John Fiorito, 40, Stamford, Conn.*
Lt. John R. Fischer, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Andrew Fisher, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas J. Fisher, 36, Union, N.J.*
Bennett Lawson Fisher, 58, Stamford, Conn.
John Roger Fisher, 46, Bayonne, N.J.*
Lucy Fishman, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Ryan D. Fitzgerald, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas Fitzpatrick, 35, Tuckahoe, N.Y.*
Richard P. Fitzsimons, 57, Lynbrook, N.Y.*
Salvatore A. Fiumefreddo, 47, Manalapan, N.J.*
Christina Donovan Flannery, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Eileen Flecha, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Andre G. Fletcher, 37, North Babylon, N.Y.*
Carl Flickinger, 38, Conyers, N.Y.*
John Joseph Florio, 33, Oceanside, N.Y.*
Joseph W. Flounders, 46, East Stroudsburg, Pa.*
David Fodor, 38, Garrison, N.Y.*
Lt. Michael N. Fodor, 53, Warwick, N.Y.*
Steven Mark Fogel, 40, Westfield, N.Y.*
Thomas Foley, 32, West Nyack, N.Y.*
David Fontana, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Chih Min (Dennis) Foo, 40, Holmdel, N.J.*
Del Rose Forbes-Cheatham, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Godwin Forde, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Donald A. Foreman, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Hugh Forsythe, 44, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
Claudia Alicia Martinez Foster, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Noel J. Foster, 40, Bridgewater, N.J.*
Ana Fosteris, 58, Coram, N.Y.*
Robert J. Foti, 42, Albertson, N.Y.*
Jeffrey L. Fox, 40, Cranbury, N.J.*
Virginia Fox, 58, New York, N.Y.*
Virgin (Lucy) Francis, 62, New York, N.Y.*
Pauline Francis, 57, New York, N.Y.*
Joan Francis
Gary J. Frank, 35, South Amboy, N.J.*
Morton Frank, 31, New York, N.Y.
Peter Christopher Frank, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Richard K. Fraser, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin Joseph Frawley, 34, Bronxville, N.Y.*
Clyde Frazier, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Lillian I. Frederick, 46, Teaneck, N.J.*
Andrew Fredericks, 40, Suffern, N.Y.*
Tamitha Freemen, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Brett O. Freiman, 29, Roslyn, N.Y.*
Lt. Peter L. Freund, 45, Westtown, N.Y.*
Arlene E. Fried, 49, Roslyn Heights, N.Y.*
Alan Wayne Friedlander, 52, Yorktown Heights, N.Y.*
Andrew K. Friedman, 44, Woodbury, N.Y.*
Gregg J. Froehner, 46, Chester, N.J.*
Peter Christian Fry, 36, Wilton, Conn.*
Clement Fumando, 59, New York, N.Y.*
Steven Elliot Furman, 40, Wesley Hills, N.Y.*
Paul James Furmato, 37, Colts Neck, N.J.*
Fredric Gabler, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Richard S. Gabrielle, 50, West Haven, Conn.*
James Andrew Gadiel, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Pamela Gaff, 51, Robinsville, N.J.
Ervin Vincent Gailliard, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Deanna L. Galante, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Grace Galante, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Anthony Edward Gallagher, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Daniel James Gallagher, 23, Red Bank, N.J.*
John Patrick Gallagher, 31, Yonkers, N.Y.*
Cono E. Gallo, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Vincenzo Gallucci, 36, Monroe Township, N.J.*
Thomas Edward Galvin, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Giovanna (Genni) Gambale, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas Gambino, 48, Babylon, N.Y.*
Giann F. Gamboa, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Peter J. Ganci, 55, North Massapequa, N.Y.*
Claude Michael Gann, 41, Roswell, Ga.*
Lt. Charles William Garbarini, 44, Pleasantville, N.Y.*
Cesar Garcia, 36, New York, N.Y.*
David Garcia, 40, Freeport, N.Y.*
Jorge Luis Morron Garcia, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Juan Garcia, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Marlyn C. Garcia, 21, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Gardner, 36, Darien, Conn.*
Douglas B. Gardner, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Harvey J. Gardner, 35, Lakewood, N.J.*
Thomas A. Gardner, 39, Oceanside, N.Y.*
Jeffrey B. Gardner, 36, Hoboken, N.J.*
William Arthur Gardner, 45, Lynbrook, N.Y.*
Francesco Garfi, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Rocco Gargano, 28, Bayside, N.Y.*
James M. Gartenberg, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Matthew David Garvey, 37*
Bruce Gary, 51, Bellmore, N.Y.*
Palmina Delli Gatti, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Boyd A. Gatton, 38, Jersey City, N.J.*
Donald Richard Gavagan, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Terence D. Gazzani, 24, New York, N.Y.*
Gary Geidel, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Paul Hamilton Geier, 36, Farmingdale, N.Y.*
Julie M. Geis, 44, Lees Summit, Mo.*
Peter Gelinas, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Steven Paul Geller, 52, New York, N.Y.*
Howard G. Gelling, 28, New York, N.Y.
Peter Victor Genco, 36, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Steven Gregory Genovese, 37, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
Alayne F. Gentul, 44, Mountain Lakes, N.J.*
Edward F. Geraghty, 45, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Suzanne Geraty, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Ralph Gerhardt, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Robert J. Gerlich, 56, Monroe, Conn.*
Denis P. Germain, 33, Tuxedo Park, N.Y.*
Marina R. Gertsberg, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Susan M. Getzendanner, 57, New York, N.Y.*
James Gerard Geyer, 41, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Joseph M. Giaccone, 43, Monroe, N.J.*
Lt. Vincent Francis Giammona, 40, Valley Stream, N.Y.*
Debra L. Gibbon, 43, Hackettstown, N.J.*
James A. Giberson, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Craig Neil Gibson, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Ronnie Gies, 43, Merrick, N.Y.*
Laura A. Giglio, 35, Oceanside, N.Y.*
Andrew Clive Gilbert, 39, Califon, N.J.
Timothy Paul Gilbert, 35, Lebanon, N.J.
Paul Stuart Gilbey, 39, Chatham, N.J.*
Paul John Gill, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Mark Y. Gilles, 33, New York, N.Y.
Evan H. Gillette, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Ronald Gilligan, 43, Norwalk, Conn.*
Sgt. Rodney C. Gillis, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Laura Gilly, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. John F. Ginley, 37, Warwick, N.Y.*
Jeffrey Giordano, 46, New York, N.Y.*
John Giordano, 46, Newburgh, N.Y.*
Donna Marie Giordano, 44, Parlin, N.J.*
Steven A. Giorgetti, 43, Manhasset, N.Y.*
Martin Giovinazzo, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Kum-Kum Girolamo, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Salvatore Gitto, 44, Manalapan, N.J.*
Cynthia Giugliano, 46, Nesconset, N.Y.*
Mon Gjonbalaj, 65, New York, N.Y.*
Dianne Gladstone, 55, New York, N.Y.*
Keith Alexander Glascoe, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas I. Glasser, 40, Summit, N.J.*
Harry Glenn, 38, Piscataway, N.J.*
Barry H. Glick, 55, Wayne, N.J.*
Steven Lawrence Glick, 42, Greenwich, Conn.*
John T. Gnazzo, 32, New York, N.Y.*
William (Bill) Robert Godshalk, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Michael Gogliormella, 43, New Providence, N.J.*
Brian Fredric Goldberg, 26, Union, N.J.*
Jeffrey Grant Goldflam, 48, Melville, N.Y.*
Michelle Herman Goldstein, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Monica Goldstein, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Steven Goldstein, 35, Princeton, N.J.*
Andrew H. Golkin, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Dennis James Gomes, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Enrique Antonio Gomez, 42, New York, N.Y.
Jose Bienvenido Gomez, 45, New York, N.Y.
Manuel Gomez, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Wilder Gomez, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Jenine Gonzalez, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Joel Guevara Gonzalez, 23, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Rosa J. Gonzalez, 32, Jersey City, N.J.*
Mauricio Gonzalez, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Calvin J. Gooding, 38, Riverside, N.Y.*
Harry Goody, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Kiran Reddy Gopu, 24, Bridgeport, Conn.*
Catherine Carmen Gorayeb, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Kerene Gordon, 43, New York, N.Y.
Sebastian Gorki, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas E. Gorman, 41, Middlesex, N.J.*
Kieran Gorman, 35, Yonkers, N.Y.*
Michael Edward Gould, 29, Hoboken, N.J.*
Yugi Goya, 42, Rye, N.Y.*
Jon Richard Grabowski, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Michael Grady, 39, Cranford, N.J.*
Edwin John Graf, 48, Rowayton, Conn.*
David M. Graifman, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Gilbert Granados, 51, Hicksville, N.Y.*
Elvira Granitto, 43, New York, N.Y.
Winston Arthur Grant, 59, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Christopher Stewart Gray, 32, Weehawken, N.J.*
James Michael Gray, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Linda Mair Grayling, 44, New York, N.Y.*
John Michael Grazioso, 41, Middletown, N.J.*
Timothy Grazioso, 42, Gulf Stream, Fla.*
Derrick Arthur Green, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Wade Brian Green, 42, Westbury, N.Y.*
Elaine Myra Greenberg, 56, New York, N.Y.*
Gayle R. Greene, 51, Montville, N.J.*
James Arthur Greenleaf, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Eileen Marsha Greenstein, 52, Morris Plains, N.J.*
Elizabeth (Lisa) Martin Gregg, 52, New York, N.Y.
Donald H. Gregory, 62, Ramsey, N.J.*
Florence M. Gregory, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Denise Gregory, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Pedro (David) Grehan, 35, Hoboken, N.J.*
John M. Griffin, 38, Waldwick, N.J.*
Tawanna Griffin, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Joan D. Griffith, 39, Willingboro, N.J.*
Warren Grifka, 54, New York, N.Y.*
Ramon Grijalvo, 58*
Joseph F. Grillo, 46, New York, N.Y.*
David Grimner, 51, Merrick, N.Y.*
Kenneth Grouzalis, 56, Lyndhurst, N.J.*
Joseph Grzelak, 52, New York, N.Y.*
Matthew J. Grzymalski, 34, New Hyde Park, N.Y.*
Robert Joseph Gschaar, 55, Spring Valley, N.Y.*
Liming (Michael) Gu, 34, Piscataway, N.J.*
Jose A. Guadalupe, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Yan Zhu (Cindy) Guan, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Geoffrey E. Guja, 47, Lindenhurst, N.Y.*
Lt. Joseph Gullickson, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Babita Guman, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Douglas B. Gurian, 38, Tenafly, N.J.*
Philip T. Guza, 54, Sea Bright, N.J.*
Barbara Guzzardo, 49, Glendale, N.Y.*
Peter Gyulavary, 44, Warwick, N.Y.*
Gary Robert Haag, 36, Ossining, N.Y.*
Andrea Lyn Haberman, 25, Chicago, Ill.*
Barbara M. Habib, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Philip Haentzler, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Nizam A. Hafiz, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Karen Hagerty, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Steven Hagis, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Mary Lou Hague, 26, New York, N.Y.*
David Halderman, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Maile Rachel Hale, 26, Cambridge, Mass.*
Richard Hall, 49, Purchase, N.Y.*
Vaswald George Hall, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Robert John Halligan, 59, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
Lt. Vincent Gerard Halloran, 43, North Salem, N.Y.*
James D. Halvorson, 56, Greenwich, Conn.*
Mohammad Salman Hamdani, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Felicia Hamilton, 62, New York, N.Y.
Robert Hamilton, 43, Washingtonville, N.Y.*
Frederic Kim Han, 45, Marlboro, N.J.*
Christopher James Hanley, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Sean Hanley, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Valerie Joan Hanna, 57, Freeville, N.Y.*
Thomas Hannafin, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Kevin James Hannaford, 32, Basking Ridge, N.J.*
Michael L. Hannan, 34, Lynbrook, N.Y.*
Dana Hannon, 29, Suffern, N.Y.*
Vassilios G. Haramis, 56, New York, N.Y.*
James A. Haran, 41, Malverne, N.Y.*
Jeffrey P. Hardy, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Timothy John Hargrave, 38, Readington, N.J.*
Daniel Harlin, 41, Kent, N.Y.*
Frances Haros, 76, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Harvey L. Harrell, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Stephen Gary Harrell, 44, Warwick, N.Y.*
Stewart D. Harris, 52, Marlboro, N.J.*
Aisha Harris, 22, New York, N.Y.*
John Patrick Hart, 38, Danville, Calif.*
John Clinton Hartz, 64, Basking Ridge, N.J.
Emeric J. Harvey, 56, Montclair, N.J.*
Capt. Thomas Theodore Haskell, 37, Massapequa, N.Y.*
Timothy Haskell, 34, Seaford, N.Y.*
Joseph John Hasson, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Capt. Terence S. Hatton, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Leonard William Hatton, 45, Ridgefield Park, N.J.*
Michael Helmut Haub, 34, Roslyn Heights, N.Y.*
Timothy Aaron Haviland, 41, Oceanside, N.Y.*
Donald G. Havlish, 53, Yardley, Pa.*
Anthony Hawkins, 30, New York, N.Y.
Nobuhiro Hayatsu, 36, Scarsdale, N.Y.*
Philip Hayes, 67, Northport, N.Y.*
William Ward Haynes, 35, Rye, N.Y.*
Scott Hazelcorn, 29, Hoboken, N.J.*
Lt. Michael K. Healey, 42, East Patchogue, N.Y.*
Roberta Bernstein Heber, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Charles Francis Xavier Heeran, 23, Belle Harbor, N.Y.*
John Heffernan, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Howard Joseph Heller, 37, Ridgefield, Conn.*
JoAnn L. Heltibridle, 46, Springfield, N.J.*
Mark F. Hemschoot, 45, Red Bank, N.J.*
Ronnie Lee Henderson, 52, Newburgh, N.Y.*
Janet Hendricks, 48, New York, N.Y.
Brian Hennessey, 35, Ringoes, N.J.
Michelle Marie Henrique, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph P. Henry, 25, New York, N.Y.*
William Henry, 49, New York, N.Y.*
John Henwood, 35, New York, N.Y.
Robert Allan Hepburn, 39, Union, N.J.*
Mary (Molly) Herencia, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Lindsay Coates Herkness, 58, New York, N.Y.*
Harvey Robert Hermer, 59, New York, N.Y.*
Claribel Hernandez, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Norberto Hernandez, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Raul Hernandez, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Gary Herold, 44, Farmingdale, N.Y.*
Jeffrey A. Hersch, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas Hetzel, 33, Elmont, N.Y.*
Capt. Brian Hickey, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Ysidro Hidalgo-Tejada, 47, New York, N.Y., Dominican Republic*
Lt. Timothy Higgins, 43, Farmingville, N.Y.*
Robert D. Higley, 29, New Fairfield, Conn.*
Todd Russell Hill, 34, Boston, Mass.*
Clara Victorine Hinds, 52, New York, N.Y.*
Neal Hinds, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Mark D. Hindy, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Richard Bruce Van Hine, 48, Greenwood Lake, N.Y.*
Katsuyuki Hirai, 32, Hartsdale, N.Y.
Heather Malia Ho, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Tara Yvette Hobbs, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas A. Hobbs, 41, Baldwin, N.Y.*
James L. Hobin, 47, Marlborough, Conn.*
Robert Wayne Hobson, 36, New Providence, N.J.*
DaJuan Hodges, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Ronald George Hoerner, 58, Massapequa Park, N.Y.*
Patrick Aloysius Hoey, 53, Middletown, N.J.*
Stephen G. Hoffman, 36, Long Beach, N.Y.*
Marcia Hoffman, 52, New York, N.Y.
Frederick J. Hoffmann, 53, Freehold, N.J.*
Michele L. Hoffmann, 27, Freehold, N.J.*
Judith Florence Hofmiller, 53, Brookfield, Conn.*
Thomas Warren Hohlweck, 57, Harrison, N.Y.*
Jonathan R. Hohmann, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Francis Holland, 32, Glen Rock, N.J.*
John Holland, 30
Elizabeth Holmes, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas P. Holohan, 36, Chester, N.Y.*
Bradley Hoorn, 22, New York, N.Y.*
James P. Hopper, 51, Farmingdale, N.Y.*
Montgomery McCullough Hord, 46, Pelham, N.Y.*
Michael Horn, 27, Lynbrook, N.Y.*
Matthew D. Horning, 26, Hoboken, N.J.*
Robert L. Horohoe, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Aaron Horwitz, 24, New York, N.Y.*
Charles J. Houston, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Uhuru G. Houston, 32, Englewood, N.J.*
George Howard, 45, Hicksville, N.Y.*
Steven L. Howell, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Michael C. Howell, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Jennifer L. Howley, 34, New Hyde Park, N.Y.*
Milagros "Millie" Hromada, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Marian Hrycak, 56, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen Huczko, 44, Bethlehem, N.J.*
Kris R. Hughes, 30, Nesconset, N.Y.*
Melissa Harrington Hughes, 31, San Francisco, Calif.*
Thomas F. Hughes, 46, Spring Lake Heights, N.J.*
Timothy Robert Hughes, 43, Madison, N.J.*
Paul R. Hughes, 38, Stamford, Conn.*
Robert T. "Bobby" Hughes, 23, Sayreville, N.J.*
Susan Huie, 43, Fair Lawn, N.J.*
Mychal Lamar Hulse, 30, New York, N.Y.*
William C. Hunt, 32, Norwalk, Conn.*
Joseph G. Hunter, 31, South Hempstead, N.Y.*
Robert Hussa, 51, Roslyn, N.Y.*
Capt. Walter Hynes, 46, Belle Harbor, N.Y.*
Thomas E. Hynes, 28, Norwalk, Conn.*
Joseph Anthony Ianelli, 28, Hoboken, N.J.*
Zuhtu Ibis, 25, Clifton, N.J.*
Jonathan Lee Ielpi, 29, Great Neck, N.Y.*
Michael Patrick Iken, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Daniel Ilkanayev, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Capt. Frederick Ill, 49, Pearl River, N.Y.*
Abraham Nethanel Ilowitz, 51, New York, N.Y.
Anthony P. Infante, 47, Chatham, N.J.*
Louis S. Inghilterra, 45, New Castle, N.Y.*
Christopher N. Ingrassia, 28, Watchung, N.J.*
Paul Innella, 33, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Stephanie V. Irby, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Douglas Irgang, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Todd A. Isaac, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Erik Hans Isbrandtsen, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Taizo Ishikawa, 50
Aram Iskenderian, 41, Merrick, N.Y.*
John Iskyan, 41, Wilton, Conn.*
Kazushige Ito, 35, New York, N.Y.
Aleksandr Valeryerich Ivantsov, 23, New York, N.Y.
Virginia Jablonski, 49, Matawan, N.J.*
Brooke Alexandra Jackman, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Aaron Jacobs, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Jason Kyle Jacobs, 32, Mendham, N.J.*
Michael Grady Jacobs, 54, Danbury, Conn.*
Ariel Louis Jacobs, 29, Briarcliff Manor, N.Y.*
Steven A. Jacobson, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Ricknauth Jaggernauth, 58, New York, N.Y.*
Jake Denis Jagoda, 24, Huntington, N.Y.*
Yudh V.S. Jain, 54, New City, N.Y.*
Maria Jakubiak, 41, Ridgewood, N.Y.*
Gricelda E. James, 44, Willingboro, N.J.*
Ernest James, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Mark Jardim, 39, New York, N.Y.
Mohammed Jawara, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Francois Jean-Pierre, 58, New York, N.Y.
Maxima Jean-Pierre, 40, Bellport, N.Y.
Paul E. Jeffers, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Jenkins, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Alan K. Jensen, 49, Wyckoff, N.J.*
Prem N. Jerath, 57, Edison, N.J.*
Farah Jeudy, 32, Spring Valley, N.Y.*
Hweidar Jian, 42, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Eliezer Jimenez, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Luis Jimenez, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Charles Gregory John, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Nicholas John, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Scott M. Johnson, 26, New York, N.Y.*
LaShawana Johnson, 27, New York, N.Y.*
William Johnston, 31, North Babylon, N.Y.*
Arthur Joseph Jones, 37, Ossining, N.Y.
Allison Horstmann Jones, 31, New York, N.Y.*
Brian L. Jones, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher D. Jones, 53, Huntington, N.Y.
Donald T. Jones, 39, Livingston, N.J.*
Donald W. Jones, 43, Fairless Hills, Pa.*
Linda Jones, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Mary S. Jones, 72, New York, N.Y.*
Andrew Jordan, 35, Remsenburg, N.Y.*
Robert Thomas Jordan, 34, Williston, N.Y.*
Ingeborg Joseph, 60, Germany
Karl Henri Joseph, 25, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen Joseph, 39, Franklin Park, N.J.*
Albert Joseph, 79
Jane Eileen Josiah, 47, Bellmore, N.Y.*
Lt. Anthony Jovic, 39, Massapequa, N.Y.*
Angel Luis Juarbe, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Karen Susan Juday, 52, New York, N.Y.*
The Rev. Mychal Judge, 68, New York, N.Y.*
Paul W. Jurgens, 47, Levittown, N.Y.*
Thomas Edward Jurgens, 26, Lawrence, N.Y.*
Kacinga Kabeya, 63, McKinney, Texas
Shashi Kiran Lakshmikantha Kadaba, 25, Hackensack, N.J.*
Gavkharoy Mukhometovna Kamardinova, 26, New York, N.Y.
Shari Kandell, 27, Wyckoff, N.J.*
Howard Lee Kane, 40, Hazlet, N.J.*
Jennifer Lynn Kane, 26, Fair Lawn, N.J.*
Vincent D. Kane, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Joon Koo Kang, 34, Riverdale, N.J.*
Sheldon R. Kanter, 53, Edison, N.J.*
Deborah H. Kaplan, 45, Paramus, N.J.*
Alvin Peter Kappelmann, 57, Green Brook, N.J.*
Charles Karczewski, 34, Union, N.J.*
William A. Karnes, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Douglas G. Karpiloff, 53, Mamaroneck, N.Y.*
Charles L. Kasper, 54, New York, N.Y.*
Andrew Kates, 37, New York, N.Y.*
John Katsimatides, 31, East Marion, N.Y.*
Sgt. Robert Kaulfers, 49, Kenilworth, N.J.*
Don Jerome Kauth, 51, Saratoga Springs, N.Y.*
Hideya Kawauchi, 36, Fort Lee, N.J.*
Edward T. Keane, 66, West Caldwell, N.J.*
Richard M. Keane, 54, Wethersfield, Conn.*
Lisa Kearney-Griffin, 35, Jamaica, N.Y.*
Karol Ann Keasler, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Paul Hanlon Keating, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Leo Russell Keene, 33, Westfield, N.J.*
Joseph J. Keller, 31, Park Ridge, N.J.*
Peter Rodney Kellerman, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph P. Kellett, 37, Riverdale, N.Y.*
Frederick H. Kelley, 57, Huntington, N.Y.*
James Joseph Kelly, 39, Oceanside, N.Y.*
Joseph A. Kelly, 40, Oyster Bay, N.Y.*
Maurice Patrick Kelly, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Richard John Kelly, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas Michael Kelly, 41, Wyckoff, N.J.*
Thomas Richard Kelly, 38, Riverhead, N.Y.*
Thomas W. Kelly, 51, New York, N.Y.*
Timothy C. Kelly, 37, Port Washington, N.Y.*
William Hill Kelly, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Robert C. Kennedy, 55, Toms River, N.J.*
Thomas J. Kennedy, 36, Islip Terrace, N.Y.*
John Keohane, 41, Jersey City, N.J.*
Lt. Ronald T. Kerwin, 42, Levittown, N.Y.*
Howard L. Kestenbaum, 56, Montclair, N.J.*
Douglas D. Ketcham, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Ruth E. Ketler, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Boris Khalif, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Sarah Khan, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Taimour Firaz Khan, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Rajesh Khandelwal, 33, South Plainfield, N.J.*
SeiLai Khoo, 38, Jersey City, N.J.
Michael Kiefer, 25, Hempstead, N.Y.*
Satoshi Kikuchihara, 43, Scarsdale, N.Y.
Andrew Jay-Hoon Kim, 26, Leonia, N.J.*
Lawrence Don Kim, 31, Blue Bell, Pa.*
Mary Jo Kimelman, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Andrew Marshall King, 42, Princeton, N.J.*
Lucille T. King, 59, Ridgewood, N.J.*
Robert King, 36, Bellerose Terrace, N.Y.*
Lisa M. King-Johnson, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Takashi Kinoshita, 46, Rye, N.Y.
Chris Michael Kirby, 21, New York, N.Y.*
Howard (Barry) Kirschbaum, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Glenn Davis Kirwin, 40, Scarsdale, N.Y.*
Richard J. Klares, 59, Somers, N.Y.*
Peter A. Klein, 35, Weehawken, N.J.*
Alan D. Kleinberg, 39, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Karen J. Klitzman, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Ronald Philip Kloepfer, 39, Franklin Square, N.Y.*
Yevgeny Kniazev, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Thomas Patrick Knox, 31, Hoboken, N.J.*
Andrew Knox, 30, Adelaide, Australia*
Rebecca Lee Koborie, 48, Guttenberg, N.J.*
Deborah Kobus, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Gary Edward Koecheler, 57, Harrison, N.Y.*
Frank J. Koestner, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Ryan Kohart, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Vanessa Lynn Kolpak, 21, New York, N.Y.*
Irina Kolpakova, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Suzanne Kondratenko, 27, Chicago, Ill.*
Abdoulaye Kone, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Bon-seok Koo, 42, River Edge, N.J.*
Dorota Kopiczko, 26, Nutley, N.J.*
Scott Kopytko, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Bojan Kostic, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Danielle Kousoulis, 29, New York, N.Y.*
John J. Kren, 52*
William Krukowski, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Lyudmila Ksido, 46, New York, N.Y.*
Shekhar Kumar, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Kenneth Kumpel, 42, Cornwall, N.Y.*
Frederick Kuo, 53, Great Neck, N.Y.*
Patricia Kuras, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Nauka Kushitani, 44, New York, N.Y.
Thomas Joseph Kuveikis, 48, Carmel, N.Y.*
Victor Kwarkye, 35, New York, N.Y.
Kui Fai Kwok, 31, New York, N.Y.
Angela R. Kyte, 49, Boonton, N.J.*
Amarnauth Lachhman, 42, Valley Stream, N.Y.*
Andrew LaCorte, 61, Jersey City, N.J.*
Ganesh Ladkat, 27, Somerset, N.J.*
James P. Ladley, 41, Colts Neck, N.J.*
Daniel M. Van Laere, 46, Glen Rock, N.J.*
Joseph A. Lafalce, 54, New York, N.Y.*
Jeanette LaFond-Menichino, 49, New York, N.Y.*
David LaForge, 50, Port Richmond, N.Y.*
Michael Patrick LaForte, 39, Holmdel, N.J.*
Alan Lafrance, 43*
Juan Lafuente, 61, Poughkeepsie, N.Y.*
Neil K. Lai, 59, East Windsor, N.J.
Vincent A. Laieta, 31, Edison, N.J.*
William David Lake, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Franco Lalama, 45, Nutley, N.J.*
Chow Kwan Lam, 48, Maywood, N.J.*
Stephen LaMantia, 38, Darien, Conn.*
Amy Hope Lamonsoff, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Robert T. Lane, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Brendan M. Lang, 30, Red Bank, N.J.*
Rosanne P. Lang, 42, Middletown, N.J.*
Vanessa Langer, 29, Yonkers, N.Y.*
Mary Lou Langley, 53, New York, N.Y.
Peter J. Langone, 41, Roslyn Heights, N.Y.*
Thomas Langone, 39, Williston Park, N.Y.*
Michele B. Lanza, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Ruth Sheila Lapin, 53, East Windsor, N.J.*
Carol Ann LaPlante, 59, New York, N.Y.*
Ingeborg Astrid Desiree Lariby, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Robin Larkey, 48, Chatham, N.J.*
Christopher Randall Larrabee, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Hamidou S. Larry, 37, New York, N.Y.
Scott Larsen, 35, New York, N.Y.*
John Adam Larson, 37, Colonia, N.J.*
Gary E. Lasko, 49, Memphis, Tenn.*
Nicholas C. Lassman, 28, Cliffside Park, N.J.*
Paul Laszczynski, 49, Paramus, N.J.*
Jeffrey Latouche, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Cristina de Laura
Oscar de Laura
Charles Laurencin, 61, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen James Lauria, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Maria Lavache, 60, New York, N.Y.*
Denis F. Lavelle, 42, Yonkers, N.Y.*
Jeannine M. LaVerde, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Anna A. Laverty, 52, Middletown, N.J.*
Steven Lawn, 28, West Windsor, N.J.*
Robert A. Lawrence, 41, Summit, N.J.*
Nathaniel Lawson, 61, New York, N.Y.*
Eugen Lazar, 27, New York, N.Y.*
James Patrick Leahy, 38, New York, N.Y.*
Lt. Joseph Gerard Leavey, 45, Pelham, N.Y.*
Neil Leavy, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Leon Lebor, 51, Jersey City, N.J.*
Kenneth Charles Ledee, 38, Monmouth, N.J.
Alan J. Lederman, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Elena Ledesma, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Alexis Leduc, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Myung-woo Lee, 41, Lyndhurst, N.J.
David S. Lee, 37, West Orange, N.J.*
Gary H. Lee, 62, Lindenhurst, N.Y.*
Hyun-joon (Paul) Lee, 32, New York, N.Y.
Jong-min Lee, 24, New York, N.Y.
Juanita Lee, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Lorraine Lee, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Richard Y.C. Lee, 34, Great Neck, N.Y.*
Yang Der Lee, 63, New York, N.Y.*
Kathryn Blair Lee, 55, New York, N.Y.*
Stuart (Soo-Jin) Lee, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Linda C. Lee, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Stephen Lefkowitz, 50, Belle Harbor, N.Y.*
Adriana Legro, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Edward J. Lehman, 41, Glen Cove, N.Y.*
Eric Andrew Lehrfeld, 32, New York, N.Y.*
David Ralph Leistman, 43, Garden City, N.Y.*
David Prudencio LeMagne, 27, North Bergen, N.J.*
Joseph A. Lenihan, 41, Greenwich, Conn.*
John J. Lennon, 44, Howell, N.J.*
John Robinson Lenoir, 38, Locust Valley, N.Y.*
Jorge Luis Leon, 43, Union City, N.J.
Matthew Gerard Leonard, 38, New York, N.Y.
Michael Lepore, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Charles Antoine Lesperance, 55*
Jeffrey Earle LeVeen, 55, Manhasset, N.Y.*
John D. Levi, 50, New York, N.Y.*
Alisha Caren Levin, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Neil D. Levin, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Robert Levine, 56, West Babylon, N.Y.
Robert M. Levine, 66, Edgewater, N.J.*
Shai Levinhar, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Adam J. Lewis, 36, Fairfield, Conn.*
Margaret Susan Lewis, 49, Elizabeth, N.J.*
Ye Wei Liang, 27, New York, N.Y.*
Orasri Liangthanasarn, 26, Bayonne, N.J.*
Daniel F. Libretti, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Ralph M. Licciardi, 30, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Edward Lichtschein, 35, New York, N.Y.*
Steven B. Lillianthal, 38, Millburn, N.J.*
Carlos R. Lillo, 37, Babylon, N.Y.*
Craig Damian Lilore, 30, Lyndhurst, N.J.*
Arnold A. Lim, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Darya Lin, 32, Chicago, Ill.*
Wei Rong Lin, 31, Jersey City, N.J.*
Nickie L. Lindo, 31, New York, N.Y.
Thomas V. Linehan, 39, Montville, N.J.*
Robert Thomas Linnane, 33, West Hempstead, N.Y.*
Alan Linton, 26, Jersey City, N.J.*
Diane Theresa Lipari, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Kenneth P. Lira, 28, Paterson, N.J.*
Francisco Alberto Liriano, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Lorraine Lisi, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Paul Lisson, 45, New York, N.Y.
Vincent Litto, 52, New York, N.Y.*
Ming-Hao Liu, 41, Livingston, N.J.*
Nancy Liz, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Harold Lizcano, 31, East Elmhurst, N.Y.*
Martin Lizzul, 31, New York, N.Y.*
George A. Llanes, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Elizabeth Claire Logler, 31, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Catherine Lisa Loguidice, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Jerome Robert Lohez, 30, Jersey City, N.J.*
Michael W. Lomax, 37, New York, N.Y.
Laura M. Longing, 35, Pearl River, N.Y.*
Salvatore P. Lopes, 40, Franklin Square, N.Y.*
Daniel Lopez, 39, New York, N.Y.*
Luis Lopez, 38, New York, N.Y.
Manuel L. Lopez, 54, Jersey City, N.J.*
George Lopez, 40, Stroudsburg, Pa.*
Joseph Lostrangio, 48, Langhorne, Pa.*
Chet Louie, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Stuart Seid Louis, 43, East Brunswick, N.J.*
Joseph Lovero, 60, Jersey City, N.J.*
Michael W. Lowe, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Garry Lozier, 47, Darien, Conn.*
John Peter Lozowsky, 45, New York, N.Y.
Charles Peter Lucania, 34, East Atlantic Beach, N.Y.*
Edward (Ted) H. Luckett, 40, Fair Haven, N.J.*
Mark G. Ludvigsen, 32, New York, N.Y.*
Lee Charles Ludwig, 49, New York, N.Y.
Sean Thomas Lugano, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Daniel Lugo, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Marie Lukas, 32, New York, N.Y.*
William Lum, 45, New York, N.Y.*
Michael P. Lunden, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Christopher Lunder, 34, Wall, N.J.*
Anthony Luparello, 62, New York, N.Y.*
Gary Lutnick, 36, New York, N.Y.*
Linda Luzzicone, 33, New York, N.Y.*
Alexander Lygin, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Farrell Peter Lynch, 39, Centerport, N.Y.*
James Francis Lynch, 47, Woodbridge, N.J.
Louise A. Lynch, 58, Amityville, N.Y.*
Michael Lynch, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Michael F. Lynch, 33, New Hyde Park, N.Y.*
Michael Francis Lynch, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Richard Dennis Lynch, 30, Bedford Hills, N.Y.*
Robert H. Lynch, 44, Cranford, N.J.*
Sean Patrick Lynch, 36, Morristown, N.J.*
Sean Lynch, 34, New York, N.Y.*
Michael J. Lyons, 32, Hawthorne, N.Y.*
Patrick Lyons, 34, South Setauket, N.Y.*
Monica Lyons, 53, New York, N.Y.*
Robert Francis Mace, 43, New York, N.Y.*
Jan Maciejewski, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Catherine Fairfax MacRae, 23, New York, N.Y.*
Richard B. Madden, 35, Westfield, N.J.*
Simon Maddison, 40, Florham Park, N.J.*
Noell Maerz, 29, Long Beach, N.Y.*
Jeannieann Maffeo, 40, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Maffeo, 30, New York, N.Y.*
Jay Robert Magazine, 48, New York, N.Y.*
Charles Wilson Magee, 51, Wantagh, N.Y.*
Brian Magee, 52, Floral Park, N.Y.
Joseph Maggitti, 47, Abingdon, Md.*
Ronald E. Magnuson, 57, Park Ridge, N.J.*
Daniel L. Maher, 50, Hamilton, N.J.*
Thomas Anthony Mahon, 37, East Norwich, N.Y.*
William Mahoney, 38, Bohemia, N.Y.*
Joseph Maio, 32, Roslyn Harbor, N.Y.*
Takashi Makimoto, 49, New York, N.Y.
Abdu Malahi, 37, New York, N.Y.*
Debora Maldonado, 47, New York, N.Y.*
Myrna T. Maldonado-Agosto, 49, New York, N.Y.*
Alfred R. Maler, 39, Convent Station, N.J.*
Gregory James Malone, 42, Hoboken, N.J.*
Edward Francis (Teddy) Maloney, 32, Darien, Conn.
Joseph E. Maloney, 46, Farmingville, N.Y.*
Gene E. Maloy, 41, New York, N.Y.*
Christian Maltby, 37, Chatham, N.J.*
Francisco Miguel (Frank) Mancini, 26, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Mangano, 53, Jackson, N.J.*
Sara Elizabeth Manley, 31, New York, N.Y
Debra M. Mannetta, 31, Islip, N.Y.*
Terence J. Manning, 36, Rockville Centre, N.Y.*
Marion Victoria (vickie) Manning, 27, Rochdale, N.Y.*
James Maounis, 42, New York, N.Y.*
Joseph Ross Marchbanks, 47, Nanuet, N.Y.*
Peter Edward Mardikian, 29, New York, N.Y.*
Edward Joseph Mardovich, 42, Lloyd Harbor, N.Y.*
Lt. Charles Joseph Margiotta, 44, New York, N.Y.*
Kenneth Joseph Marino, 40, Monroe, N.Y.*
Lester Vincent Marino, 57, Massapequa, N.Y.*
Vita Marino, 49, New York, N.Y.
Kevin D. Marlo, 28, New York, N.Y.*
Jose J. Marrero, 32, Old Bridge, N.J.*
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Actually, DC, it mattered very much to the 9/11 terrorists that civilians should die. That, after all, was there plan. svsg's point is that the role of the police and security forces is to preserve innocent life, whereas the terrorists' object is to kill and, well, terrify.

A further point is that we should never allow ourselves to be reduced to the thinking or morality of the terrorist.

The main concerns over the de Menezes shooting is that (1) an innocent man was killed by police (a tad worrying, don't you think? - well it should worry you). (2) The police lied about the incident, saying he was running away from police and wearing a baggy jacket, in fact neither was true.

What really pisses me off is people who just shrug their shoulders and say "ah well, in this great God-inspired war against terror and evil, some innocent will die.". For me, "ah, well" is NEVER an acceptable response to the taking of an innocent life.

My support for security and counter-terrorism STOPS at the point where the state becomes as bad as the terrorist: when it violates rule of law for example. "Rule of law" is not simply a nice liberal catchphrase, it means something very important, without which free society cannot exist.

If we abrogate the rule of law in the name of the war on terror, then the terrorists have made a significant victory. They're aiming to destroy Western civilization... we respond by suspending civil liberties and rule of law... you don't have to be a genius or a liberal to see that we're handing victory to the terrorists on a plate.

Looks like DC went for the filibuster.

Come on, DC. :rolleyes:
And you're accusing others of not debating properly? I expected better from you.

Two innocent people have been killed by law enforcement in a little over 4 years. 3000 people were killed within 2 hours in one day. The state is as bad as the terrorists? :rolleyes:


DS

In Africa 3000 people also die every 2 hours, due to simple diseases like diarrea, and starvation. And not 1 time those 2 hours, but every hour of the day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year, for so many years already. That's a lot of hours. :rolleyes:

That's not what I said.

I said I support counter-terrorist action up to the point where that action makes us no better than the terrorists: e.g. suspension of fundamental civil liberties, rule of law, and torture.

Can you tell me how many the US has tortured? Why all those planes are flying to undisclosed locations in Eastern Europe and Africa? What is the US doing to these people that is so bad that they have to take them off American soil? These are the issues that worry me and should worry anybody else who is concerned about protecting a free society.

Btw, at 9/11 it were 2500 people. [/b][/quote]Enzo this is at least the 3rd time you've said something about "It's only 2500 not 3000"
This is from wikpedia:
"The official count records 2,986 deaths in the attacks including the hijackers."
9/11

Btw, at 9/11 it were 2500 people. [/b][/quote]Enzo this is at least the 3rd time you've said something about "It's only 2500 not 3000"
This is from wikpedia:
"The official count records 2,986 deaths in the attacks including the hijackers."
9/11 [/b][/quote]My sincerest excuses. Because the official number was still 2497 in 2004, I didn't think that number would rise much higher. 2986, I gotta remember it!

I think you are only talking about WTC maybe thats why you thought 2500?
This was a post of yours from Sept

Wow, I'm getting senile. And that at such a young age.
Kind of creeps me. But now I know: approx. 3000 in total, 2500 in NY.

Who debated him? As a matter of fact some of the things that he wrote make some sense. All I did was add on to what he said by pointing out the 3000 civilian lives that were taken from us.

And I didn't attack him, call him any names, or piss on him in any way. That's what I am talking about when I mention about properly debating.

But let's say, for a moment, that I was debating him. Is my posting the names of 3000 civilians being killed, in reply to his statement about civilians being killed, considered improper debating in your eyes? :rolleyes:

What's the matter with you Enzo? trying to start a debate for no reason. I expected better from you.

So Dr., does that make it excusable? Are we supposed to understand them now and realize that they were only doing what they felt needed to be done? Are we supposed to accept it as being "strictly business?


That is unexcusable in our world. I don't dispute that. But that is completely unrelated to discussing the war on terror. Nothing to do with it whatsoever.


As far as the total death count on 9/11, well for some reason, (one that is very upsetting to me), whenever some people talk about the deaths on 9/11, they only quote the death total of those who were murdered in the towers, always forgetting the number of people on the planes and in the Pentagon.



Don Cardi

DC to add to the last part of your post, what REALLY pisses me off is they add the 18 hijackers to the list of dead Those pieces of crap don't deserve to be listed with the dead on 9/11

Yes, frankly. Svsg proposed a debate and you responded by posting a list of names. That appeals to emotion, not argument, which is what a debate is about. Why didn't you just post a link to the list?

No.

:D
I just tought your list was irrelevant.

It does. The money used for Iraq (related with this 'war on terror') could have been used to help povery. Do the UN-Millenium goals and the world will be a better place.

Well, they did die on the same day in the same accident.
When we talk about the deaths of WO II, do we only mention the Allied troups? No, we also mention the millions of Italian/German/Japanese who died in the war. Same case.
I understand your anger about this, but facts are facts.

Well, they did die on the same day in the same accident.
When we talk about the deaths of WO II, do we only mention the Allied troups? No, we also mention the millions of Italian/German/Japanese who died in the war. Same case.
I understand your anger about this, but facts are facts. [/b][/quote]See Enzo I take no offense to mentioning Italian deaths (okay German and Japenese too lol just kidding) because they are soldiers who died fighting for their country. Their job was to defend their country against our SOLDIERS, it was a WAR. These hijackers knowingly attacked civilians, that is why they shouldn't be listed.

:D
I just tought your list was irrelevant.

It does. The money used for Iraq (related with this 'war on terror') could have been used to help povery. Do the UN-Millenium goals and the world will be a better place. [/b][/quote]My list of civilians in reply to a post addressing civilians being killed in the war on terror is in your opinion, irrelevant.

But your list of people starving over in another nation, having absolutely nothing to do with the war on terror, IS relevant?

If that really makes sense to you, then I see absolutely no reason for us to continue this discussion.


Don Cardi

I agree DMC. That pisses me off too.


Accident? Enzo, you're batting .1000 today.
Accident. :rolleyes:


I didn't post a link to the site because I didn't feel like posting a link to the site. And this is not a court of law, so please save the objections to my appealing to the emotion of the people for the courtroom. :p

Don Cardi

Maybe he meant "incident".

DC, it is important we never forget those who died on 9/11 and the lives lost to that atrocious act of terrorism. On the other hand, posting a list of names was an excessive and unfair response to svsg's call for a debate on the issue of the De Menezes shooting. Could you please remove and/or link them so that people can read them if they wish without them taking up room on a thread which is not directly about the victims of 9/11.

The people who died on 9/11 should never be forgotten. Dr, you did not go through anything near what Cardi went through, he has strong feelings the same way you do. If he wants to post all of the names in a thread about the war on terror, then why not always remember the event that truly sparked it?

If it offends you in anyway then don't read it, why should HE be censored?

They are always just grouped into "the three thousand people that died on 9/11" maybe some of the people not from the Eastern United States see the list of names and cities they will see why we have such strong feelings about it.

You feel it has no place in this thread, DC obviously feels it does, if you don't like it dont read it.

Why the hell should he delete that list of names?
He's not breaking any rules here.


DS

Preach on brother DMC

Glad we're all being so rational here. :rolleyes:

I was not trying to "censor" and I never alleged that he broke any rule. I asked him nicely and said "please".

Here's what happened: Svsg starts a thread about the De Menezes shooting and the wider context of counter-terrorism and security. DC posts a list of those killed at 9/11. Does having a personal association with that grave tragedy entitle someone to hijack threads in this manner? That, DS, is "the hell" why.

And on his personal connection with 9/11, might I remind you, DA and DC, how easily you brushed aside the "personal connection" of the lady who was protesting outside the White House, whose son had been killed in Iraq. Apparently she was making a bit of a fuss. So let's not pretend we have the monopoly on tradegy here.

So, what's it to be? A rational debate, or unproductive flaming? As if I don't already know the answer... :rolleyes:

So that there hopefully will never be another 9/11 and so the ACLU cannot interfere and cry for the rights of a terrorist.


DS

Oh is it that simple! Wonder what I was so worried about!

ok Dr, now I'm pretty pissed but I'm going to write this as nice as possible. You talk about this not turning into a flame war, but yet you routinely classify and criticize all Americans (that's not trying to bait anyone), you falsely accuse our soliders and then use terms like "redneck". You insult members of the board (Double-J a few months back) and then not 10 minutes after writing that this won't turn into a flame war you go and insult Vercetti in the other thread "there is no excuse for ignorance" :rolleyes: He said what he learned, you learned something different so in your eyes he's ignorant and that gives you the right to insult him? You are one of the last people who can say you already know the answer to a thread turning into a flame war.

No it does not. And I never brought my personal connection to 9/11 into this. And as far as my hijacking a thread, well you are the one who's hijacked this thread because you continue to cry about my posting that list and YOU have now made it a debate about the posting of that list.


Again, I haven't pretended or claimed anything of the sort. Those are your ASSumptions. As for Cindy Sheehan, well this is what I actually said in that thread, about her protesting the war :
Get your facts straight before making false accusations against someone. CASE DISMISSED!


Don Cardi

Hmm DC you've quoted quite selectively from that post, have you ever considered being a lawyer? Anyone who wants to read the full account can do a search, this thread has got off-topic enough already.

DMC - thankyou for writing nicely despite the anger - but you can't accuse someone of prejudice against an entire nation when I started the Americans Good and Bad thread, and as other posters added the good and bad from other countries.

Amen, brother!!

Now why would I want to take a step backwards in my life? :p

Here's the link for anyone that wants to read exactly what I said about Cindy Sheehan, I have nothing to hide :


http://www.gangsterbb.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=008754#000000

Now Dr., You'll have to excuse me -- I'm tired, and I'm a little drunk! And I want everyone here to know -- there's not gonna be no trouble from me! DMC', a porta!


Don Cardi

What about your trigger happy gi joe comments and you americans kill civilians comments? You say those things and then you jump all over Cardi because he posted the names of those who were killed on 9/11 in america. You sound anti-american to me.


DS

sometimes I wonder...
is it War on Terror...
or War on Islam...

What are you kidding me? :rolleyes: If it was a war on Isalam america wouldn't have lost 2000 soldiers because we would have just wiped out that region of the world. What a foolish thing to say.


DS

Have you watched F9/11? Or read any news reports of killings in Iraq? These are facts, not my "anti-American" opinion.

Now that's one thing you've said I agree with!

My Africa statement is totally relevant: The most powerful men in the world (Bush, all the EU-leaders) don't seem to realize that Africa is problem number 1, not Iraq. So that is relevant.
Your list is totally irrelevant, since we already know 2987 people died on 9/11. We have honored them, there were memorials, the world was mourning. In Africa, they are still dying, and except for Bono and me , is there anybody mentioning them?

Accident? Enzo, you're batting .1000 today.
Accident. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Incident, accident...I didn't mean to imply that it happened by accident, I'm not that stupid.This is a language mistake of mine, sorry.

By the way, what is 'batting .1000'?

First off, it's not a 'War' on terror. A war can be won. We cannot put every terrorist in jail or kill them all. It's just the conservative media brainwashing us.

DC - Hey, in like 60 years, all those people you listed, no one is going to care. I'm thrilled you posted that. Does anyone remember what was 2 days ago? Does Pearl Harbor ring a bell? It wasn't mentioned on the nightly news I watched at all. There was no thread made. It is all but forgotten, just like 9/11 will be.

Oh, and to the people who were actually in NY on 9/11, you don't have some kind've priviledge to now curse at me or throw insults just because you were there that day, so please refrain from doing so.

DMC - First, why shouldn't the hijackers be part of the people deceased? A life is a life.

Second, you're saying that the enemies in World War II should be mentioned in the number of casualties because they were part of a war. If you insist on stating that the hijackers shouldn't be on that list, does that mean that you agree with me and say that there is no 'war' on terror? You can't have it both ways.

What are you kidding me? :rolleyes: If it was a war on Isalam america wouldn't have lost 2000 soldiers because we would have just wiped out that region of the world. What a foolish thing to say.


DS [/b][/quote]Wasn't it you who suggested we drop a nuke when we pull out of Iraq?

This is a serious question: do you mean this or is it a joke?

My Africa statement is totally relevant: The most powerful men in the world (Bush, all the EU-leaders) don't seem to realize that Africa is problem number 1, not Iraq. So that is relevant.
Your list is totally irrelevant, since we already know 2987 people died on 9/11. We have honored them, there were memorials, the world was mourning. In Africa, they are still dying, and except for Bono and me , is there anybody mentioning them? [/b][/quote]See? We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Everybody expects us to police the friggin' world. When we do, we're ostracized on account of it, or else we get a zillion Monday Morning quarterbacks who sit back and say, "Hey, you shoulda' done it this way, yada-yada-yada." When we DON'T do anything, we're crticized.

I say close up the borders now, ship the illegals home, don't let anyone in, and screw everybody else. I, for one, am tired of us being called to help someone out, getting slammed for doing so, and then getting called to help someone out again. And over and over and over it plays. I think we've done plenty. Let's take care of our own. Let someone come to OUR aid for once. Then we can sit back and criticize how they do it, or don't do it, or whatever the %#@$^!!

Lovely rational contribution there.

Shut the borders!

Lock down the hatches!

As if America were some airtight container with infalliable borders... it isn't BTW

Seen that ep of the Simpsons where they export the illegal immigrants much?

If you're including our helping out Iraq, I'm happy to agree with you on that one, Snake.

DC, what you intended with your list is best known to you. With all due respect, I (and I presume a few more members) do not have the time to read your entire post (which probably could be the longest one ever posted, I speculate). Sorry about that.

When I mentioned that all kinds of responses are welcome, I implied it for me. It is unfortunate that Dr. and others who wanted to bring back the focus to the topic were attacked.

The distinction between terror and terrorism, how terror continues to rule the mind and might probably continue to rule long after the terrorists are defeated, and other such messages I tried to explore in my intial post have got lost in the personal fights. But I am not complaining. I still urge all of you to share your thoughts. When so many of you feel so paasionately about the subject, why not translate your thoughts into words and make the discussion more meaningful?

Who read the names on the list? Hands up!

I looked for the two names I know personally (whose families probably don't appreciate being used for political purposes).

1. Africa can't help itself. They're so far gone, they can't let welfare and plain surviving appear by magic, someone has to give it to them.
2. You know who's fault it is they're in such a bad shape: Europe. With the colonisation, they've destroyed the continent. So Europe has the duty to help them.
3. America seems to have enough money, they're spending it on useless wars like Iraq, so why not using that money to help starvation out of the world.
4. All other rich countries also have to help the poor countries: That's their human duty.
5. How? Not just sending money, but giving them infrastructure, so they can take care of their own.

Ok.

Although this is one of the more "intellectual" forums on the net, it is still trapped in the yoke of blind patriotism and cliqueishness.

There is no real opportunity for rational debate. I appreciate your efforts to stimulate debat svsg, but they are wasted here. All that results is a lot of back-slapping and self-congratulation among the conservative pro-Bush American clique on these boards. Anyone else gets flamed and shouted down.

Sorry to be boring, but gettig back on topic, I notice that the officers involved in the appalling De Menezes shooting are now facing charges here in the UK for unlawful killing.

Cardi would NEVER use those names for political reasons. That remark proves that you know absoluteley nothing about DC You don't even know what you are talking about. How did he use those names for political purposes?


DS

I think he used the name as an emotional way to point out that we have to restrict personal liberties, so deaths like those on the list won't happen again. That is, IMO, using the list as an object to express a political opinion.

The only name I can name from the list is Anthony Perkins' wife, who was on one of the planes that hit the WTC.

Cardi would NEVER use those names for political reasons. That remark proves that you know absoluteley nothing about DC You don't even know what you are talking about. How did he use those names for political purposes?


DS [/b][/quote]Think of it as you will, but I stand by saying I know the families of two, at least, that would not agree with the way "War on Terror" is being described. I would not tell them their loved ones are listed here.

If you're including our helping out Iraq, I'm happy to agree with you on that one, Snake. [/b][/quote]If it came to pulling out of Iraq to pull it off, yessir!

And no kiddin', Doc, it ain't a formidable border. But it sure could be. And for those who don't go along with my line of thinkin', then you can address the crap people throw at us for either stepping in or not stepping in. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing it.

2. You know who's fault it is they're in such a bad shape: Europe. With the colonisation, they've destroyed the continent. So Europe has the duty to help them.

You're points are right, but you have the wrong solutions. Nobody needs to be sending any money, and it won't help anyways. Free food aid just means farmers can't sell anything. The West Wing debate had the right solution: tax cuts. The European colonists put in rules that made it impossible for the colonies to compete with them, and those countries haven't been smart enough to see the damage and get rid of those rules. In some of those countries you are looking at 70-90% tax rates, so nothing gets made legally. Some of these countries used to be big food exporters, but then their dictators made things worse., and now Zimbabwe has famine. Debt relief, food aid, AIDS money, and all the other trendy solutions are a waste of time. Those countreis need to figure things out for themselves, and the best assistance to be provided would be economists who can explain to them how to open up their government.

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DS

Fascinating post, DS! (There's some sarcasm)

Umm, how is this relevant to making your argument?

Who knows, but that sight is by far funnier than Patrick's "emo" one.

How?

Because of its absolute disgusting appeal to emotions. How soap opera it is. How false, over the top, propagandaist it is. What's the point in it? To remind us why we're at war? If that's the reason, then it has failed, because it isn't the reason we're at war. Well, it is, but it isn't a justified reason.

Thats funny to you? Then there is something wrong with you if you think thats funny. I don't think that its so funny to those families.

Where are you now Saladbar? You were there to yell at DC for posting the names but this jerk says that a tribute site to 9/11 victims is funny, and you dont say a word.


DS

The tragedy of course isn't funny. Silly.

The whole concept of some "tribute" site is funny. And the whole delivery of it. The use of Enya's music, the images. The whole thought that somebody sat down and spent hours doing that. It isn't even an official site, for goodness sake. Anybody could have made it. I could have.

Though mine wouldn't have been half as good.

Capo didn't say the attacks on 9/11 were funny. You're misinterpreting what he said, DS.

BTW, I agree with you Capo.

OK, back to the war.

Has anyone else noticed that the US has eliminated Iran's eastern and western border countries?

Just a thought.

What is wrong or funny of someone out of the goodness of their heart to make a memorial site? Who cares if it is not official. I would have made one but I don't have the talent or the knowledge. IMHO that was a cold hearted thing for you to say. This person felt the need to do it so they did it. And God bless them for it.

Hmm.. difficult to see how that site is "funny", I have to say I can understand Don Smitty's chagrin here. People express sorrow, grief and anger in different ways, it's true that site is a very shmaltzy Disney, typically American way of expressing it, but it is still a valid way of expressing those reactions and emotions.

It's a shame that we're all getting into this sniping and back-biting when we presumably all agree on a basic idea: that the 9/11 attacks, like any major loss of innocent life to terrorism, were appalling, and that we would all be happy to see planned organized terrorist attacks thwarted, and the perpetrators brought to justice.

We only disagree on the detail.

DS, this is even better than DC's post. You have posted the same link 7 times in addition to one in your signature. Thanks DS for proving my point. Your mind has got terrorized. Now even if osama and other terrorists are killed, you will never return to normalcy. never. You will still advocate for war on some other country, because in your mind everyone is out there to wipe americans out of earth. Today it is Iraq, tomorrow some other country. The day you stop posting "SCUMBAG ", slob and other such stuff about every other group of people/culture/country, we will know you are no longer terrorized in your mind. Till then you are re-inforcing just what I said. However I again thank you for readily illustrating my point, which some people might have missed becasue of the language of my initial post.

First of all, I didn't "YELL" at DC. I wasn't even angry, I just pointed out that it might not be a good way to prove his point by using other people's names--let THEM decide if they want to be used for propaganda that may or may not adhere to what they believe.

And I didn't react to the "funny" because I'm not on this board everyday, AND I understtod that the "funny" part wasn't the tragedy, it was applied to YOU and these types of tributes, which, frankly, I find more sad than funny.

Well I agree with all that, but I never said that sending money is the solution. We just have to give the 3td world infrastructure, and the opportunity to compete with our western economies. We're competeting them to death now.

DS, this is even better than DC's post. You have posted the same link 7 times in addition to one in your signature. Thanks DS for proving my point. Your mind has got terrorized. [/b][/quote]Yep, the terrorism of Bin Laden works. We're all namecalling that man, but I must admit he's rather good in what he does.

Who the hell are you to tell me what I should and should not post? There seems to be a lot of that going on here lately. Hippocryte. You dont open your mouth when these others make anti american posts. You and your buddies are always crying about free speech and the second someone makes a post that you dont agree with you attack them and become a board moniter. Im not terrorized i am realistic. Don't ever tell me what I can post on here. Only Jeoff and SC can do that.


DS

The whole thought that somebody sat down and spent hours doing that shows me that they have a heart. What the hell do you find so funny about a tribute site?

Saladbar he says right here that he finds the tribute funny. It is not about my posting it being funny.


DS

You think I\'m funny...like a clown?

That made my day.

What about DC? Well, he seems to think he can.

Who the hell are you to tell me what I should and should not post? There seems to be a lot of that going on here lately. Hippocryte. You dont open your mouth when these others make anti american posts. You and your buddies are always crying about free speech and the second someone makes a post that you dont agree with you attack them and become a board moniter. Im not terrorized i am realistic. Don't ever tell me what I can post on here. Only Jeoff and SC can do that.


DS [/b][/quote]Easy, DS, you are going to have an aneurism.

Pat, what is your problem? Do you come here just to make trouble? All you do is inflame every post that someone you dont like makes. Then you cry like a little baby when someone jumps all over and treats you like the child that you really are. Maybe you will grow up one day.


DS

That is exactly what you did, when posting the highest post on this page.

With the last few posts from the sandbox one can only assume that this topic has been talked out. There's no need to keep it open any longer.

You can continue this in the sandbox section of Private Messages if you like. Throw all the sand you want over there. For your enjoyment I've added rocks, cat shit, kitchen utensils and lye to the sand. Knock yourselves out.