What is the worst crime ?

Murder?
Many ppl seem to think that rape is worse than murder.
In a movie I once saw someone was asking "What could be worse than rape?"
The answer was "Betrayal"

So what is it then- murder? rape? or betrayal....

or something else?

What do you think is the worst crime ?

Betrayal I could see being up there and for most (almost myself) it'd be #1. But for me, I don't think there's any crime worse than rape. Not only the experience but the after effects. Especially when it happens to younger kids. It's just sick, wrong, and worst of all, selfish!

Drugs trade.

Rape or child molestation rank way up on the list, and are also 2 crimes that occur every day, with far less serious repercussions than other serious crimes. Treason is also one of the worst crimes you can commit.

Crimes against children - hands down.

Rape worse than murder? Maybe in the psycological context in some people's minds. But we are talking about which is the worse CRIME?

Many people survive rape. Not sure if a murder victim's family would agree that rape is worse than murder.

It was in General's Daughter, I believe.
I almost agree with that.

Worst crimes? Any violence-related ones. Especially performed on children, seniors, ill people, animals.

Murder.

It's the only crime that the victim has absolutely no chance of recovering from.

I agree 100%. I don't think any kid could ever fully "recover" from abuse (sexual, physical, or even verbal, if the latter is exercised constantly by a parent-figure). True, murder can't be recovered from, but I don't think a young victim of abuse ever fully recovers either. Let's face it, for those of us who believe in a hereafter, some murder victims are actually going to a better place...not that they wanted to go out THAT way, but you know what I mean.

Anyone who touches another persons child is a scumbag and should be burned alive in a public square! Crimes against children are by far the worse.

Don Smitty

I couldn't agree more!


Don Cardi

Rape/molestation is definately the worst crime. I don't know about you but I'd rather be in heaven then have to spend the rest of my life dealing with the psycological issues caused by such a pathedic occurance.

I couldn't agree more!


Don Cardi [/b][/quote]So you guys think it's worse to sexually molest a child than it is to kill the child's mother?

Maybe the child will recover, and maybe he won't. But at least he's alive.

By that reasoning, you'd rather see your own child murdered than sexually molested.

That doesn't make much sense......

No Plaw, I don't think that. I think that Both are horrible crimes! But I guess being a parent I feel that an attack on a child is just outrageous and unforgivable!

When you really think about what you are saying, murdering the mother of a child is an indirect attack on that child's mind and mental development!


Don Cardi

A crime against a child is hands down the worst crime anyone can commit. To take the innocence away from a child in such a disgusting way is disgusting. I would rather die then to live with the knowledge that something like that happened to my kid. It wouldnt matter much anyway because I would be on death row for killing the scumbag for doing what he did.

Why is raping a six year old considered worse than raping an 80 year old? Is the 80 year old considered less important? Will it affect them less because they've been through life?

Saying "crimes against kids" is as silly as saying "crimes against black people." Why should we single out a child as being more important or less punishable than a teen, adult or pensioner?

Murder by prolonged torture, probably. Jamie Bulger case springs to mind. And I'm not being particular about ages.

Mick

You're twisting words now Plaw! That's a ridiculous remark! :rolleyes:

LDV and I did NOT mention a specific crime against children! She said " Crime s against children, hands down!" and I agreed with her!


Don Cardi

In my mind a child of six years is so innocent in the way they are they do not know the horrors of this world like u and I do. Sure Rape of anyone is disgusting but when I hear of a child getting molested it just makes me insane. maybe because Iam a parent, I dont know. But I look at my child and see her playing with her toys and being so in awe of life. To think that someone is doing something so disgusting to her and her not being able to defend herself makes me sick. like I said I do agree with you that rape at any age is horrible and like I said it's just the father in me coming out.

Don Smitty

The worst crime in the world is myself not being rich, powerful, and long living. Sure murder and child molesting is wrong, but so is being middle class and not having much say in how the world is run. It is disgusting that I am not the most important figure on this planet, and this crime should not go unpunished. Are there crimes like rape, murder, molestation, backstabbing, armed robbery, and other such acts that are bad and deserve action taken against the people who take part? Yes there is.

But is there a worst crime than me not being a golden god(other than in my own mind)? Absolutely not.

Exactly my point.

Crimes.

Which I interpret to mean as any crime against a child.

So which is the worse crime? Sexually molesting a child, or murdering the child's mother?

(The twisting of words, BTW, is a perfectly acceptable debating technique )

Funny when I initially wrote this, I wasn't even taking murder into consideration. I thought murder was a no-brainer as worst. I was focusing on the other things mentioned in the first post - treason and betrayal :rolleyes: and figured that crimes against children were worse than either of those choices.

My third paragraph should make it clear where I stand regarding rape of ANY kind as compared to murder.

And we must not generalize victims. I still do alot of work as a victim's advocate for domestic violence and I could tell you all some stories about child abuse, various rapes and tortures of children AND adults that would make your hair curl.

And why is the rape of a 6 year old more horrific than the rape of an 80 year old? I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I tend to think of the intrusion on the physical aspects of a 6 year old girl (or boy) and her/his yet to be (or under-)developed body.

EDITED ON A REREAD: To include both genders - my bad for just mentioning "girl".....

Sexually molesting a child.


Don Smitty

Very well said.


Don Smitty

The rape of a six year old is worse than the rape of an 80 year old for the reasons cited by LDV, as well as the fact that both will have to live with the experience for the rest of their lives, and life expectancies being what they are, it's far more damaging to the child than to the adult.

Worse than murdering the same child?

You did not ask that question you asked rape of a child or murder of the childs mom. Like I said before any crime against a child is disgusting. So to answer your new question the murder of the child is worse.


Don Smitty

Of course any crime against a child is disgusting. Actually, particularly disgusting because it's a child.

But the original question in the thread is "What is the worst crime?"

So I assume, then, in answer to the original question, that you think that murder is the "Worst Crime".

No, I disagree emphatically with life expectancies and whatnot. I don't care if an 80 year old is going to die in 5 years time. If anything, that means that she has less time to recover from it, and will therefore die more unhappily than the 6 year old, who will only remember the rape in snippets.

Why should we even take things into consideration to decide who deserves to be raped least? To me, rape is rape. I feel uncomfortable deciding between two people because of age.

Okay, so a 6 year old's body is underdeveloped. An 80 year old's is just as frail.

If anything, this thread has conjured up some lasting images in my mind, which I'd rather not have.

Mick

Murder of anyone is horrible. Yes it is the worst crime. No coming back from that one. But talking about the rape of children is a tough subject to talk about. I would rather not anymore. Good talk though!


don Smitty

Again, be careful in the generalizations.

The original question you posed was:

Why is raping a six year old considered worse than raping an 80 year old?

You said "considered worse". I replied by wording:

And why is the rape of a 6 year old more horrific than the rape of an 80 year old?

I said "considered horrific". I said nothing about who DESERVED to be raped least.

I have counseled rape victims of all kinds...women, children and yes, even men. Let me go on record saying that NOONE deserves to raped at all - let alone "least"...

I DO agree with you in that I DISAGREE with plaw's view on this. Life expectancies of people never crossed my mind.

Everything would have to be taken in context here for me. Murder is obviously the 'no returner' but rape can devastate a life to such an extent maybe death is on par for that person!
Betrayal I can and have lived with I believe treason is still punishable by death in law in UK (they'd probably never use it, tho they should for terrorists I think)
Dont even get me started on crimes against children......I know I would rather be raped, or anything as opposed to a child having to suffer that and I'm going out on a limb here but I would imagine most women would rather they were raped than their/any child would be.

Missed you lots, FH!

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!!

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FH is back!!! Welcome back!!! You've been missed.

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Woo hoo...FH's back.

I echo the above sentiments. It's great to "see" you.

Aww thanks you sweethearts I missed you too much couldn't keep away

Ok, a few things, let me start with the most important :

1) Family Honor - WELCOME BACK !!!
I'm sure you dont remember me...I joined 2 months before you did but I was away the last 3 years, but anyway, its really great to see all these comebacks....SNAKE and now FH...now where is Guineapig and Liz 85 ?


2) Heres a question to everyone : someone you love so much and trust with your eyes closed, say someone like your own mother....imagine one day to find out that your own mother betrayed you...how would that make you feel? wouldnt that be 10000 times worse than being raped by a stranger?

Thats what I meant when I asked if betrayal is worse than rape.

3) I was wondering about that...the 'male' victims you talk about, are these cases of rape by force?
I'm just curious cos I never heard of a man getting raped by a woman.
maybe the girl drugged the guy first, or maybe its an older woman who raped a child, but I NEVER heard of case when a GIRL raped a BOY by FORCE,or WOMAN raped a MAN by FORCE...(unless she used the drug before)
What Im asking LDV, is if there is actually a case when that happened, or if anyone else ever heard of anything like that?

Another wandering nomad returns and brings sanity to our beloved BB! Welcome back, FH!

Back to the "argument" (although why it is that is beyond me)...Unlike LDV, I haven't seen too many child abuse victims FIRSTHAND (that I know of). But I've seen untold numbers on TV, read about them in magazines, etc. From what I gather, they pretty much live with Death everyday, in a sense: thoughts/attempts of suicide, blaming themselves, the feeling of filth and guilt, the feeling of unspeakable violation, etc., etc., etc. That's like DYING a little every day. I'd have as much sympathy for any rape victim, regardless of age. But to speculate there's some kind of time-span for one to recover isn't a guess I'd care to hazard. I just don't believe there exists a full recovery for these hapless victims. If I WERE to speculate about anything, I'd be willing to guess that most of them would have preferred death at the time rather than a lifetime of what I just described above.

But hey, it's all horrendous, and whoever does any of it doesn't deserve sympathy or a break... unless it's the "break" of their neck on the gallows.

FH! Welcome Back! Great to see you here again!

Don Cardi

Back to the topic at hand. The bottom line is that I think that there everyone here has their own feelings of what kind of crime may be worse than another kind of crime, their own feelings as to if it's worse to hurt a child or an adult, etc. No one is all right and no one is all wrong. You may strongly feel a certain way about a certain type of crime and who it is commtitted against and I may feel strongly about a different type of crime or who it is committed against. The way that I feel does not mean that the way you feel is wrong, and visa versa. We all have our reasons for feeling the way that we do about different situations in the context of a crime. But I think that we all agree that Murder, Rape, Child Molestation, etc. are all disgusting!


Don Cardi

Men can be raped by MEN.

Also I think you are looking at the term "rape" here in the wrong light. A man rapes a woman by vaginal sex etc.. I think you are thinking a woman "raping a man" by vaginal sex. I've read/heard of many cases where women have raped men with objects etc. inside the man.

Breaking someone's heart.

As a victim of date rape when I was in my 20's, I can assure you that it is a horrific crime. Especially since I was one of those statistics that never reported the crime. However, I was in my 20's, aware of the world and my body, and not a virgin. As Don Smitty said earlier, I see my 10 year old daughter at play, and the complete and utter violation that a child's rape would entail makes me insane.

That being said, as a survivor of rape, I did recover, and, as horrible as it was, I did go on to marry, have children, etc., all of which couldn't have happened if he had decided to kill me. Murder has to be the worst.

I'm SO sorry you had to suffer something like that. The only consolation is that horrible experience did not prevent you from having a life full of love and blessings, SB!
Thank you for sharing, my dear!

It was a lesson in life. I went to a party with a guy from work. The downstairs john was occupied, so I went upstairs to use the other one. Of course, this is where the bedrooms were. Anyway, he was there when I came out of the bedroom. He started to kiss me, but things quickly got way beyond where I was prepared to go. With the loud music and other noise from the party, nobody heard me scream. I never reported it because I figured there was no point. I was only one of two saleswomen in the entire company, I had voluntarily gone to the party with him, and I knew it would be a "he said, she said" thing. Especially since the news that year was all about Robert Chambers, the Central Park Preppie Killer. I will never forget how they smeared that poor dead girl, using her private thoughts about him that she had written in her diary.

Anyway, the good that has come out of it is that I can pass along a VERY important lesson to my girls.

I can understand. But parenthood is a blessing. Not being a parent, this is really scary.

Being a parent is a great blessing, but also a great responsibility. Unfortunately, these are scary times and the ability to perpetrate crimes against children is easier than ever, thanks to chat rooms, the collapse of neighborhoods (how many people actually know their neighbors?), etc. When I grew up in the city, you knew everyone in the neighborhood, including the store owners. People had their eye on you. Now, kids hang out in these big, anonymous malls where they can come across anyone.

Oh, Part, that is so true and so funny! Growing up in NYC, there were all the "stoop-sitters" who would be outside crocheting and telling your parents every single thing you did!

Back to the "subject" there is some pretty heavy stuff on here, and I applaud tse who have spoke of personal trauma and how they overcame it. Asking what the worst crime is impossible to answer. I would think Genocide is up there, and most certainly rape (especially in patriarcal societies where the victims become pariahs) and of course any abuse of children.

BTW I like the female Snake avatar....what a hottie. There is also a Snake guy with an Eye Patch avatar...that has to go!!

I can understand. But parenthood is a blessing. Not being a parent, this is really scary. [/b][/quote]Why? Maybe it's better nowadays?

I meant being a parent is always a blessing, no matter how scary it can be. When life circumstances did not let you be a parent and you had always wanted to be a parent, that's scary IMO.

I meant being a parent is always a blessing, no matter how scary it can be. When life circumstances did not let you be a parent and you had always wanted to be a parent, that's scary IMO. [/b][/quote]Well, it's sad, maybe, but why really scary? I think it's far not the scariest thing in life. Maybe I just never wished it that much?

My opinion is that the thought of no-one somehow making you live even when you've died is scary, no matter how strong is your faith in a Life after this life. Considering that your life did not bring other life is scary. That you will not see your children's smile is scary. Sad, of course, and scary. Because coping with the pointlessness of one's own life is scary.

God, my dear, that's road to depression. There's a full world of points to live for. After all, even if you are lonely, old and sick, you still can do something good for someone, can't you? It worth living for!

Tough call here. I think I would have to go with rape/molestation simply because I have seen the horrible effects of it on loved ones. Murder is probably worst when looked at completely objectively, but in my experiance I really can't see anything worse than rape