Posted By: Patrick
Pat's Thoughts Volume 41: Why the World hates America and why America is conservative - 12/04/04 04:45 PM
As my last few volumes have been more aimed at the Americans on this board, I felt the need to make a thread that can be aimed at nation to nation across the globe. Within this thread, everyone on here will be able to see why exactly the World hates America and why America is overwhelmingly conservative.
The downfall of the American government began in the year 1953. In the year 1953, the nation that had become independent, had made it through 2 World Wars, had made it though the Great Depression, would begin its' downfall. Let me break it down:
1953: US overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. The US installs Shah as dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians are killed.
1954-1963: US supports corrupt South Vietnamese President Diem in their effort to 'prevent the East from turning communist.'
October 1964: "We are not about to send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves."
1965: Over 500,000 US soldiers are now in southeast Asia.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asia. Over 57,000 American soldiers are killed.
1973: U.S. stages a coup in Chile. Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende was assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet is installed; 5,000 Chileans killed.
1977: US backs the military rulers of El Salvador. Over 70,000 Salvadorians and four American nuns are killed.
1980s: US trains Osama bin Laden and his fellow terrorists (US and conservatives claims they weren't terrorists...yet) to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds 'contras' in Nicaragua. Over 30,000 Nicaraguans die.
1982: US provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as president of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. US invades Panama and removes Noriega. Over 3,000 Panamanian civilian are killed.
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from the US.
1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush Sr. reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1991-present: UN estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombings and sanctions from the US military.
1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.
2000-2001: US gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."
September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.
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The next question I hope to answer is: Why does America hate communism? Why is America afraid of a government that is different from a capitalism? Is it that America fears that communism will take over the world or is it that US government officials are jealous of the power they'll never have, even as President?
The US has feared many communist countries:
Vietnam
North Korea
Cuba
Former U.S.S.R.
China
Let's not forget our fear over fascist countries:
Nazi-Germany
Japan
Italy
The Cold War literally started as soon as World War II was over. We were fine with the Soviets putting people in concentration camps when they were our allie in World War II, but as soon as World War II ended, we turned our back on them and forgot that the Soviets had received the biggest blow in the war. More Soviet militray members and civilians died then that of any other country in World War II.
We've been to war with all of them atleast once, except for China, though we nearly went to war with Mao Zedong (communist leader of China in 1945).
The US fought just 3 years in North Korea (1950-1953) and over 54,000 Americans died. There US claimed that we withdrew from North Korea because it was out of the defense perimeter, yet Vietnam (SE of North Korea) wasn't out of the defense perimeter. Korea remained a divided country.
By 1953, the U.S.S.R., China, Vietnam, North Korea, and the U.S.S.R.'s satellite nations were all against us.
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The US and segregation:
In the 1950's and 1960's, the fear of the 'Black man' was growing in the US. Brown vs. the Board of Education (1954) stated that it was unconstitutional to separate schoolchildren by race. This overthrew Plessy vs. Ferguson (1896) that stated it was constitutional to keep school children "separate, but equal." It was far from equal. The southern members of Congress signed the "Southern Manifesto" that pledged to reverse the decision. The governor of Virginia threatened to close public schools and put Whites in private schools.
Dr. (there you go, DMC ) Martin Luther King Jr. (MLK) became known in 1955 after he got groups of Blacks together to boycott city buses after the city arrested and fined ($56) Rosa Parks for not sitting in the back up a public bus.
Perhaps one thing that old timers on here may be able to remember is what I am about to say: Birmingham, 1963. Dr. MLK led a demonstration in Birmingham, Alabama during which the Police Commissioner, Eugene 'Bull' Connor, uses firehoses, clubs, and snarlingdogs on demostrators, including women and children. National TV carried the violence across America. President John F. Kennedy (JFK) sent 3,000 troops to restore peace in the city.
At the University of Mississippi in 1962, the governor didn't want to allow James Meredith, a 29-year-old African American Air Force veteran in, but JFK sent federal marshalls and the National Guard. Just one year later, at the University of Alabama, the governor stood in a doorway to prevent desegregation and JFK sent the National Guard.
In 1963, the largest Civil Rights protest in American history took place in Washington DC. Over 200,000 black and white demonstrators were there in hopes of getting the Civil Rights Act passed. This is where Dr. MLK made his infamous 'I have a dream' speech. In 1964, less then a year after JFK's assassination, the Civil Rights Act was signed into law. This not only allowed Blacks to be united with Whites, but women of all races were no longer allowed to be discriminated based on sex.
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The problem with conservatives in this country is that they refuse to move on or be progressive. They refuse to accept anything that they don't believe in (i.e. communism and fascism). There is no problem with that, but the US doesn't try to help every country with a dictator in charge or a country that is experiencing genocide. I'm not just talking about conservative Republicans either. Conservative Democrats have the same problem.
We entered Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein (twice) because he committed genocide and was a dictator. The only problem is this: Sudan is experiencing way more genocide then that of which Saddam did to his own people. I am not saying that what Saddam did wasn't just as bad, but I'm saying that it's much worse in Sudan since thousands upon thousands more are being killed.
The future is what conservatives fear. They won't want to move on. They want to blame society's problems on kids, music, video games, movies, and TV. The majority of conservatives are part of the baby boomers, so why don't they ask themselves if they're the ones at fault? Why do they blame music and movies on the troubles of the youth when the youth (that is under 17) cannot read, listen, or watch magazines, music, or movies without the permission of their parents?
Well, if you read this far, please, no petty bullshit. Don't say, "He doesn't support our troops" or "he supports the terrorists" because quite frankly, I DO support our troops and I DON'T support the terrorists. Thank you for reading. -Pat
The downfall of the American government began in the year 1953. In the year 1953, the nation that had become independent, had made it through 2 World Wars, had made it though the Great Depression, would begin its' downfall. Let me break it down:
1953: US overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. The US installs Shah as dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala. 200,000 civilians are killed.
1954-1963: US supports corrupt South Vietnamese President Diem in their effort to 'prevent the East from turning communist.'
October 1964: "We are not about to send American boys nine or ten thousand miles away from home to do what Asian boys ought to be doing for themselves."
1965: Over 500,000 US soldiers are now in southeast Asia.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asia. Over 57,000 American soldiers are killed.
1973: U.S. stages a coup in Chile. Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende was assassinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet is installed; 5,000 Chileans killed.
1977: US backs the military rulers of El Salvador. Over 70,000 Salvadorians and four American nuns are killed.
1980s: US trains Osama bin Laden and his fellow terrorists (US and conservatives claims they weren't terrorists...yet) to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds 'contras' in Nicaragua. Over 30,000 Nicaraguans die.
1982: US provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.
1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as president of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. US invades Panama and removes Noriega. Over 3,000 Panamanian civilian are killed.
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from the US.
1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush Sr. reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1991-present: UN estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombings and sanctions from the US military.
1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making aspirin.
2000-2001: US gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."
September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.
--
The next question I hope to answer is: Why does America hate communism? Why is America afraid of a government that is different from a capitalism? Is it that America fears that communism will take over the world or is it that US government officials are jealous of the power they'll never have, even as President?
The US has feared many communist countries:
Vietnam
North Korea
Cuba
Former U.S.S.R.
China
Let's not forget our fear over fascist countries:
Nazi-Germany
Japan
Italy
The Cold War literally started as soon as World War II was over. We were fine with the Soviets putting people in concentration camps when they were our allie in World War II, but as soon as World War II ended, we turned our back on them and forgot that the Soviets had received the biggest blow in the war. More Soviet militray members and civilians died then that of any other country in World War II.
We've been to war with all of them atleast once, except for China, though we nearly went to war with Mao Zedong (communist leader of China in 1945).
The US fought just 3 years in North Korea (1950-1953) and over 54,000 Americans died. There US claimed that we withdrew from North Korea because it was out of the defense perimeter, yet Vietnam (SE of North Korea) wasn't out of the defense perimeter. Korea remained a divided country.
By 1953, the U.S.S.R., China, Vietnam, North Korea, and the U.S.S.R.'s satellite nations were all against us.
--
The US and segregation:
In the 1950's and 1960's, the fear of the 'Black man' was growing in the US. Brown vs. the Board of Education (1954) stated that it was unconstitutional to separate schoolchildren by race. This overthrew Plessy vs. Ferguson (1896) that stated it was constitutional to keep school children "separate, but equal." It was far from equal. The southern members of Congress signed the "Southern Manifesto" that pledged to reverse the decision. The governor of Virginia threatened to close public schools and put Whites in private schools.
Dr. (there you go, DMC ) Martin Luther King Jr. (MLK) became known in 1955 after he got groups of Blacks together to boycott city buses after the city arrested and fined ($56) Rosa Parks for not sitting in the back up a public bus.
Perhaps one thing that old timers on here may be able to remember is what I am about to say: Birmingham, 1963. Dr. MLK led a demonstration in Birmingham, Alabama during which the Police Commissioner, Eugene 'Bull' Connor, uses firehoses, clubs, and snarlingdogs on demostrators, including women and children. National TV carried the violence across America. President John F. Kennedy (JFK) sent 3,000 troops to restore peace in the city.
At the University of Mississippi in 1962, the governor didn't want to allow James Meredith, a 29-year-old African American Air Force veteran in, but JFK sent federal marshalls and the National Guard. Just one year later, at the University of Alabama, the governor stood in a doorway to prevent desegregation and JFK sent the National Guard.
In 1963, the largest Civil Rights protest in American history took place in Washington DC. Over 200,000 black and white demonstrators were there in hopes of getting the Civil Rights Act passed. This is where Dr. MLK made his infamous 'I have a dream' speech. In 1964, less then a year after JFK's assassination, the Civil Rights Act was signed into law. This not only allowed Blacks to be united with Whites, but women of all races were no longer allowed to be discriminated based on sex.
--
The problem with conservatives in this country is that they refuse to move on or be progressive. They refuse to accept anything that they don't believe in (i.e. communism and fascism). There is no problem with that, but the US doesn't try to help every country with a dictator in charge or a country that is experiencing genocide. I'm not just talking about conservative Republicans either. Conservative Democrats have the same problem.
We entered Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein (twice) because he committed genocide and was a dictator. The only problem is this: Sudan is experiencing way more genocide then that of which Saddam did to his own people. I am not saying that what Saddam did wasn't just as bad, but I'm saying that it's much worse in Sudan since thousands upon thousands more are being killed.
The future is what conservatives fear. They won't want to move on. They want to blame society's problems on kids, music, video games, movies, and TV. The majority of conservatives are part of the baby boomers, so why don't they ask themselves if they're the ones at fault? Why do they blame music and movies on the troubles of the youth when the youth (that is under 17) cannot read, listen, or watch magazines, music, or movies without the permission of their parents?
Well, if you read this far, please, no petty bullshit. Don't say, "He doesn't support our troops" or "he supports the terrorists" because quite frankly, I DO support our troops and I DON'T support the terrorists. Thank you for reading. -Pat