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The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria

Posted By: DE NIRO

The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 05:33 AM

The end is near.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43762251
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 06:53 AM

What end is near? I think Syria was stupid to use chemical weapons. They could have done more damage just using conventional weapons. What’s there plan on using them?

Is Russia going to nuke us for bombing a small part of Syria. I think Russians in general are stupid people, but they are not that stupid.

Remember when the media was saying the Russians owned Trump. Does the media still think that?

I don’t think we have to bend over and kiss our asses goodbye over this.
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 09:27 AM

Is there any evidence the Syrian regime actually carried out the chemical weapons attack? Jaish al Islam, the Islamist group in control of Douma at the time of the alleged gas attack, had itself been accused of using gas against Kurdish fighters in 2016 . This is briefly mentioned quite a long way down this story:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-kurdish-neighborhood-in-the-crossfire

The Syrian regime had basically won the conflict, it doesn't make sense that they would launch a chemical attack in the full knowledge that it would no doubt draw in western countries. Now, on the other hand, it might make sense to launch an attack to draw in western countries if you were the Islamist group losing the conflict.

It all seems very familiar...drawn into a conflict we're not interested in and dropping bombs again without any evidence. We're assured the plan is not regime change, however, it seems the US and U.K. are determined not to have Assad in control...his links with Iran have to many implications...
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 10:29 AM

The three intelligence agencies from France, England and US. Know more then you know or I know. So you can say they had the proof or they would not have done this.
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 11:34 AM

I'm sure they do know more than us, however, we have no idea what level of knowledge they have, nor does (more importantly) the rest of the international community.

We went to war a few years back on the basis of "evidence" of wmd's in Iraq and the so called ability the country had to strike mainland Europe within 45 mins...it was all complete bullshit and is widely acknowledged as being so. Literally millions marched on the streets against it, but we still invaded without any long term strategic thinking. I worry this is heading the same way. The US defence secretary is saying this is a one off strike, the British Prime Minister is saying they may continue depending on any more evidence found....we all know to our cost that confusion and spurious evidence isn't the best pretext to begin bombing countries and creating a potentially disastrous conflict.

Would you be comfortable betting your house on this evidence being entirely accurate? If yes, tell me why, if not, why? Why should we be risking thousands, if not far more, lives on this? At the moment, it's apparently targeted strikes...who knows how accurate they'll be, or what repercussions it'll bring.

It's strange, I remember trump lambasting US foreign policy during the election campaign. He essentially had an isolationist standpoint, repeatedly giving assurances he would not be involving the US in other people's conflicts. Now, a small village in Syria is allegedly attacked and he's dropping bombs on the place within a week? You telling me it's simply because Assad allegedly used a gas attack? (If he in fact did, who knows for sure)
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 01:23 PM

We went to Iraq because our intelligence said hussain had weapons of mass destruction. Remember before we attacked Iraq the Russians left. Did we check the Russian trucks as they were leaving? No, we did not now where did those trucks go? They went to Syria now you know how the Syrians got their weapons of mass destruction. Those weapons were from ww1. I suppose they were trying to duplicate them.

So my friend Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction but they were from ww1.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 01:31 PM

We developed a laser gun some where in that 1980s or 1990s.

What could that gun do. One man could point the gun at an army of a thousand men. Burn their retinas and blind them. Someone thought that was a weapon of mass destruction and they banned its use.

Tell me what is better killing a thousand or blinding a thousand? But not killing them. A gun like that would scare an approaching army. That could end war as we know it.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 01:40 PM

Maybe for Syria.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 01:45 PM

The Russians are stupid Foots? The US has backed out or lost every war the russians were involved in. You got half of Korea, Vietnam kicked us but, bay of pigs Cuba..The fall of communism was for the russian benefit not the worlds or us, its still the same story. I dont know how would you call a man like Putin stupid, or the russians..
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 02:26 PM

I don’t think Putin is stupid. But I am surrounded by Russians here in Brooklyn. They are definately stupid. A few live right where I live so they have money. But they are still stupid in general.

Ever eat in a Russian Restaurant? They put 8 fat Russians in a table that seats six. They can’t even get their arms up to get the ten courses they serve to those people.

I have Russian in laws they are all they are all jerk offs. One I thought I liked so I gave him a watch I was wearing as a gift because he admired it. It has a Russian history so I told him about it.

Once I had 10 Russians eating in my back yard not relatives. In with them was an under cover Russian cop at that table. I knew him from something else I did not rat him out because he was not investigating me. Plus I respect guys with guts he has a fearless personality. Got to like people like that.
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 02:28 PM

50 years since the vietnam war...
the us army grow stronger and better since
usa are the strongest in the world
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Footreads
I don’t think Putin is stupid. But I am surrounded by Russians here in Brooklyn. They are definately stupid. A few live right where I live so they have money. But they are still stupid in general.

Ever eat in a Russian Restaurant? They put 8 fat Russians in a table that seats six. They can’t even get their arms up to get the ten courses they serve to those people.

I have Russian in laws they are all they are all jerk offs. One I thought I liked so I gave him a watch I was wearing as a gift because he admired it. It has a Russian history so I told him about it.

Once I had 10 Russians eating in my back yard not relatives. In with them was an under cover Russian cop at that table. I knew him from something else I did not rat him out because he was not investigating me. Plus I respect guys with guts he has a fearless personality. Got to like people like that.


First of all they are mostly jews or ukranians not really russian that settled in Brooklyn late 70s early 80s, so you have to understand the ethnic composure. Second its no secret the the soviet union let all the scum, criminals and prisoners to emigrate to us at that time. If you look it up online you will find...also lots of armenians, georgians and other euro asian ethic scum. Its called Little odesa for christ sake, not little moscow. Odessa is in Ukraine if you dont know. You should read about diffrent nations, knowledge is a wunderfull thing.



Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
50 years since the vietnam war...
the us army grow stronger and better since
usa are the strongest in the world



Yes of course Us army is the best paid thats true, but the problem is the us people living their middle class lives not wanting to go to any war let alone over seas to fight the russ. The russians on the other hand are much more poor and prone to war waiting for all thee time. Its a social thing. No one has ever conqured the russians since the mongols in the 13th century. Napoleon, Carlo V of sweden, Hitler etc. The russians are wild, beast like people that is true but not stupid
Posted By: MeyerLansky

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 03:14 PM

100% agree alexandarns
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 04:21 PM

Trump has his tongue up Putin's ass so we wont war with them
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by cookcounty
Trump has his tongue up Putin's ass so we wont war with them


You wont go to war but your gonns bomb the shit out of Syria. Reminds me when the us and nsto bomb Yugoslavia for 3 months. That mf clinton was gettin his dik sucked by monica and bombing the shit of Yugoslsvia because of Kosovo. He sould burn in hell
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 07:17 PM

Funny if the people here are not real Russians. Like from the Ukraine are not Russians they sure dig Putkin.

Also street blacks who I use in business on occasion actually like Trump.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 08:45 PM

The French claim they have hard evidence that Asaad used chlorine in that attack, so this wasn't a blind bombing.

As for Russia, they are just flexing as usual just like the midget in North Korea does. This is basically the Cold War Part 2 between us and Russia.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by alexandarns
The Russians are stupid Foots? The US has backed out or lost every war the russians were involved in. You got half of Korea, Vietnam kicked us but, bay of pigs Cuba..The fall of communism was for the russian benefit not the worlds or us, its still the same story. I dont know how would you call a man like Putin stupid, or the russians..


We won WWII with the Russians by the way.

And for the Bay of Pigs all we did was supply Cubans who defected with guns and planes. Our military did not participate.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by dixiemafia
Originally Posted by alexandarns
The Russians are stupid Foots? The US has backed out or lost every war the russians were involved in. You got half of Korea, Vietnam kicked us but, bay of pigs Cuba..The fall of communism was for the russian benefit not the worlds or us, its still the same story. I dont know how would you call a man like Putin stupid, or the russians..


We won WWII with the Russians by the way.

And for the Bay of Pigs all we did was supply Cubans who defected with guns and planes. Our military did not participate.



Of course but it was your idea and you coused the slaugter of some poor cubans. Great job by the way
Posted By: olivant

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by alexandarns


No one has ever conqured the russians since the mongols in the 13th century. Napoleon, Carlo V of sweden, Hitler etc.


Japanese, 1904.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/14/18 11:16 PM

The Russians and the other allies would not have won ww2 if it weren't for the U.S.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by blueracing347
The Russians and the other allies would not have won ww2 if it weren't for the U.S.


We helped to supply England, Russia, and other countries against Nazi Germany when we were not at war.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 12:25 AM

We can all sleep better knowing that Assad will go back to butchering innocent civilians using conventional weapons, and not chemical ones.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 01:21 AM

We did help win WW2 because of our manufacturing superiority. We made things then.

Now we don’t make anything. Trump is trying to bring back manufacturing jobs to help the middle class and for ourselves if we ever need to produce things if we have have a problem. We would need to make our own things if we our attacked.
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Yes, Helen your right we don’t care if another countries people are killed by conventional weapons just don’t use chemical weapons on them.

Assad reminds me of a guy name Tommy I knew as a kid. He was not a tough guy in life but he had a friend named Ralphie Lanza. Let’s rename Lanza Russia. People were afraid of Lanza Russia.

So if you fucked with Assaid/Tommy he would call Ralphie Russia to kick your ass. Iran is also like Tommy.

What Syria and Iran don’t get is one day. Ralphie/Russia will turn on them. Then both those places are fucked.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 01:29 AM

One day someone caught Tommy alone and put a car jack into his head. He lived but had a plate in his head. After that Tommy’s whole personality changed he became a nice guy.

Ralphie is not around any more.
Posted By: Belmont

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 01:57 AM

The war on the eastern front was the most brutal in ww2. Stalin never expected hitler to actually invade the soviet union. Hitler never expected to have such a difficult time conquering russia. At first the germans gained alot of ground rather quickly and millions of russians were killed. Stalin was equally as brutal, he even ordered his own soldiers to be shot if they retreated and called them traitors if they were captured. Russian woman even fought on the front lines and were tough as fuckin nails. What ultimately prevented the germans from victory was the brutal russian winter.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Belmont
The war on the eastern front was the most brutal in ww2. Stalin never expected hitler to actually invade the soviet union. Hitler never expected to have such a difficult time conquering russia. At first the germans gained alot of ground rather quickly and millions of russians were killed. Stalin was equally as brutal, he even ordered his own soldiers to be shot if they retreated and called them traitors if they were captured. Russian woman even fought on the front lines and were tough as fuckin nails. What ultimately prevented the germans from victory was the brutal russian winter.


That's right Belmont. It was not until the russians stsrted fighting off the germans that the us joined the war In 1942. The war has been going on since 1939. And finaly it was the soviets that entered berlin and put the red flag on the parlament of nazi germany not the us..there is a lot of books and info out there that say the us let the japanese bomb pearl harbor and never stoped so they can join the war on the winning side. The same goes for 9.11.
Posted By: SC

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by alexandarns
And finaly it was the soviets that entered berlin and put the red flag on the parlament of nazi germany not the us...


Patton's 3rd Army could have done that a week earlier but a political decision was made by U.S. leaders to ALLOW the Soviet Union the honor of capturing Berlin.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 12:04 PM

Yep. The partitioning of the Reich for the war's end had been decided at Yalta and agreed upon by the triple alliance. If the western allies had taken Berlin they would have risked lives for territory that was purely symbolic and had been ceded to the USSR and would have to be handed over anyway.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 01:25 PM

"We are locked and loaded!" What is the point of having our weapons if we're not going to use them? 100+ missles striking simultaneously. Right on SC, we let the Russians have Berlin. The Russians had two significant reasons for signing the non aggression act with the Nazis. 1. They were not prepared to take on the Reich after watching them blitz through Poland. 2. They wanted a chunk of Poland. As the war was coming to an end, the ussr had no intentions kid giving back any territory, especially Poland. Roosevelt declared war on the Japs, Hitler declared war on the U.S. That was the best thing for the brits, communists, and the rest.
Posted By: olivant

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by alexandarns
It was not until the russians stsrted fighting off the germans that the us joined the war In 1942.


England's Eagle Squadrons contained a number of US pilots starting in 1940 who fought the Germans and Lend Lease started in March, 1941. The United States Congress declared war on the Empire of Japan on December 8, 1941 and on December 11, 1941 declared war on Germany.
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 05:07 PM

Whoever made the comment about nobody wins on Russian soil. Lol. There are these things called nuclear warheads. If things became so bad with Russia, we fire ours, they fire theirs, and if you lucky enough to be outside when this happens you will see the most beautiful light show right before the Fucking world ends. How did we win the cold war? We ran the Soviets into the ground and let them crumble.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by SC
Originally Posted by alexandarns
And finaly it was the soviets that entered berlin and put the red flag on the parlament of nazi germany not the us...


Patton's 3rd Army could have done that a week earlier but a political decision was made by U.S. leaders to ALLOW the Soviet Union the honor of capturing Berlin.

Yes, that was a political decision. As a result, the Soviets suffered 350,000 casualties in the toughest kind of street by street, house by house, hand to hand combat in conquering Berlin. But, under the surrender terms, the USSR gave the US, UK and France sectors in West Berlin even though none shed a drop of blood in the city's capture.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by SC
Originally Posted by alexandarns
And finaly it was the soviets that entered berlin and put the red flag on the parlament of nazi germany not the us...


Patton's 3rd Army could have done that a week earlier but a political decision was made by U.S. leaders to ALLOW the Soviet Union the honor of capturing Berlin.

Yes, that was a political decision. As a result, the Soviets suffered 350,000 casualties in the toughest kind of street by street, house by house, hand to hand combat in conquering Berlin. But, under the surrender terms, the USSR gave the US, UK and France sectors in West Berlin even though none shed a drop of blood in the city's capture.



That's becsuse the russians are true heroes and that's why they would beat the us but. 200 milions are ready to die for mother Russia, how many of you from USA would do the same. The same with muslim fanatics, us will never ever get rid if them.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by SC
Originally Posted by alexandarns
And finaly it was the soviets that entered berlin and put the red flag on the parlament of nazi germany not the us...


Patton's 3rd Army could have done that a week earlier but a political decision was made by U.S. leaders to ALLOW the Soviet Union the honor of capturing Berlin.


Exactly. Patton would have run head on into Russia if we let him.

And alexandarns, I never said we were proud of the Bay of Pigs. JFK hung those poor guys out to dry and allowed them to be slaughtered.
Posted By: alexandarns

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/15/18 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by dixiemafia
Originally Posted by SC
Originally Posted by alexandarns
And finaly it was the soviets that entered berlin and put the red flag on the parlament of nazi germany not the us...


Patton's 3rd Army could have done that a week earlier but a political decision was made by U.S. leaders to ALLOW the Soviet Union the honor of capturing Berlin.


Exactly. Patton would have run head on into Russia if we let him.

And alexandarns, I never said we were proud of the Bay of Pigs. JFK hung those poor guys out to dry and allowed them to be slaughtered.


never could be done.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/16/18 07:53 PM

Of course it wasn't going to be done because we were Allies, but you're sadly mistaken if you think Russia has a shot against the U.S. in an all-out war. Back then and even now Russia was/is way behind us when it comes to combat.
Posted By: Strax

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/16/18 11:20 PM

Do you really believe there were chemical weapons used ?

Look at this video how they cut former head of British Armed Forces off,when he starts talking some sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43_dPKJmbBc

They said same shit about my country and Kosovo back in 1999's ,most brainwashed Americans believe in their bullshit, it's the way stupid USA works since 1945,they are constantly at war , bringing world "peace". How many innocent lives US took when they bombarded Belgrade,including kids.

Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 05:06 AM

@dixiemafia

The average russian citizen is tougher than the average American citizen

They buy bombs from the chinese so dont think they dont have weapons just as capable as ours

Fighting russia would not be good for america
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Strax
Do you really believe there were chemical weapons used ?


Like I've said, this time the French came out and claimed they have hard evidence. Whether they did or not, who knows? I do think we should have stayed out of Syria, let them idiots kill each other. They'll always kill each other in the Middle East and nothing will stop it. I do agree with stopping things when chemical weapons are used. There is no doubt something was up just by watching that video. That kind of reaction is hard to fake. But as usual we'll keep our nose in it and then wonder why Syrians want to sneak into the U.S. and kill folks..

Originally Posted by cookcounty
@dixiemafia

The average russian citizen is tougher than the average American citizen

They buy bombs from the chinese so dont think they dont have weapons just as capable as ours

Fighting russia would not be good for america


I don't doubt that about the "average citizen" but the "average citizen" will not be fighting this war if we went to war with them. Russia is having to buy bombs because they don't have the facilities to do it themselves. As bad as their economy is, good luck trying to keep up with the U.S. If we had an all out war with no political pressure on who and what to bomb they would have no chance against us.

But I still believe we should have taken advantage of the Trump is owned by Russia bullshit, because I'd rather have Russia as an ally than to go to war with them.

But don't get it twisted, our military continues to be the strongest in the world and nothing will change that. No matter how much Uranium they bought from Clinton, your woman hero.
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 08:21 PM

I questioned the timing, alleged use of chemical weapons and alleged perpetrator at the start of this thread...there's a huge question mark surrounding the situation. Who benefits from the situation now? I would suggest that any actions which undermine the current Syrian regime benefits western countries immensely...

Again, WHY would the current regime initiate a chemical weapons strike against a village, knowing very well it would most likely draw in strikes of this nature...AND at the very time they've all but won the conflict??

The French have evidence? Yeah, and I've got evidence of who shot JFK, you'll just have to believe me...!

Dixie, we're not generally fighting "wars" on horseback or hand to hand in streets anymore...military might isn't just as important as it once was...clandestine internet attacks against infrastructure, utilities, dirty bombs, vaguely sponsored terrorism (and ultimately nuclear attacks) are the way things could go..a war normally has a beginning and an end with some sort of identifiable enemy..I'm not entirely convinced that's what we'll being used to in the future.. That's not even considering the potential for cutting off gas and oil supplies. I see in the news yesterday, Australia is already making noises about supply lines nearly drying up, even with just this relatively low level attack on Syria.

As for the chest thumping about the US being superior to Russia militarily, and the strongest in the world, that's exactly the reatoric that gets the US into stupid conflicts. Again, US foreign policy and all its military might, has been a failure time and time again over the last 60 years or so. You must realize by now that military might does not mean you always win the war...and the US has certainly never been involved in a conflict with an enemy on a level with Russia and its potential allies. Remember, that country might well not have the military might, as you say - but I'll bet it's certainly not as weak as you think either.
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 09:01 PM

Quote from Peter Hitchens UK journalist:

"Do we even know that Assad used chemical weapons? I have actually read the reports of the last such alleged attack in Khan Sheikhoun a year ago, and they prove nothing. In fact, they are quite fishy. At the time of writing, I have yet to see a British or US media report on this alleged attack from closer than Beirut, 70 miles from the scene. Many seemingly confident and graphic accounts come from Istanbul, 900 miles away, or from London or Washington. Where are they getting their information from?

Here's a clue. The Saudi-backed faction in control of Douma at the time of the alleged attack, Jaish al- Islam (the Army of Islam), were themselves accused of using poison gas against Kurds in Aleppo in April 2016. They are not especially nice. Their other main claim to fame is that they displayed captured Syrian Army officers in cages and used them as human shields.

They have spent several years indiscriminately shelling Damascus from Douma, having taken the local inhabitants hostage, and then squawking about war crimes if the Syrian government hit back at them, which it did much as the Iraqi government (our friends) did to Islamic State in Mosul and Fallujah"
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 09:21 PM

We would not want war with anyone. You think they would bring back the draft? Little shit countries we could beat fast.

But not the biggies like Russia or China. Russia has plenty of weapons like chemical and germ more then enough to kill off our population 10 times over. Don’t need to use nuclear.

Big danger is countries who are fanatic about their religion can deal with them.

Iraq was a mistake because Sadam was not a religious fanatic. We could deal with him.

Isis is something else. Trump and our army did a great job killing them off.

North Korea I think the guy just wants to stay in power. I think he can be dealt with. If we get him to drop his nuclear ambition he would be ok.
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 09:32 PM

That's kind of my point foots...having the biggest military might these days is not going to win you the war...in fact, its the worst thought process you could actually have. Here's an analogy I hope explains my point...if I'm in a room and have 2 loaded guns and another guy in the room only has one, am I confident I'm walking out because I have more guns? If not, its best maybe not to run in there in the first place
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 09:44 PM

ISIS regaining control of some areas of Syria, US military says
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-of-some-areas-of-syria-us-military-says


Assad is a monster, but he's not a religious fanatic. If he loses power in Syria, who replaces him? What's the long term plan for Syria? If we create a power vacuum, who fills it?
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/17/18 11:40 PM

@dixiemafia

U sound like a bad infomercial

Russia has weapons comparable to ours and just.as deadly

Russians are willing to fight for mother russia

Americans are far too spoiled to risk it all for america

Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/18/18 07:38 AM

Helen, I'm not sure he will lose power, at least not by overt western attacks in any case. I think the current US administration knows it would not get away with the usual regime change dressed up as "toppling a brutal dictator" nonsense, especially with Russia, Iran and china on the sidelines. It's just amazing how often we are fed this bullshit and either fall for it, our opinions are ignored or there's just an apathetic response (mainly because we're all just getting on with our daily lives).

No doubt Isis, Jaish al- Islam and other religious fanatical groups will try their best to provoke international responses as they would benefit most in the short term - however, I hope the US etc just stay out of it.

We are allied to brutal regimes now, and have always been in the past so, sadly, it's nothing really to do with human rights when we "intervene", it's always about geo-political and economical gains. Unfortunately, it usually tends to go wrong, as we've seen in Central/South America, South east Asia and the Middle East many times - not just in the particular area either...we created Isis and flooded Europe with a million refugees last time out. Look at the terror attacks since throughout Europe.

Again, during the election campaign, Trump said many times he would be changing foreign policy and ensure the US became far less interventionalist and more inwardly focused. That's why I think Assad will stay in power - the recent missle strikes
just show there's no appetite to get entrenched in another middle eastern conflict...if we wanted to stop a "monster", a few missles striking chemical research facilities would never have had any effect....we all know he won the war with conventional arms and a fairly brutal regime.

We should be nowhere near these countries and only ever become involved through international consensus...
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/18/18 12:27 PM

My questions were rhetorical, but I agree with your post Fergie.

Assad will remain in power. The US does not go to war for humanitarian reasons, not in Syria, and not anywhere else.

America has a tendency to be short sighted in our foreign interventions, and often doesn't seem to be aware of cause and effect, and how things may play out. This is something you can see going all the way back to United Fruit, or the Mossadegh coup. Lather, rnse, repeat, etc.
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/18/18 02:27 PM

Hopefully Trump is good for his word and will take the US into a more isolationist mentality..Here's how often it's been at war...

http://washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war-93-time-222-239-years-since-1776.html

You could also say the UK has also been at war frequently throughout the same time period, however, since the end of the 2nd world war (arguably "modern" history), the US appears to be the major actor/instigator across the world.

The precursory "USA, USA" chant we've all become accustomed to, since the 1st gulf war I think, is just as worrying to many ears these days as "Allahu Akbar" is....that is worth thinking about. Couple that with the attitude from a considerable number of the American public/sheep who firmly believe they are no.1 (Dixie is by no means alone in his opinion) and would have boots on the ground anywhere/anytime in places theyve never even heard of or could point out on a map (Even Bush, when asked by a reporter, couldn't name the countries bordering Iraq, just as he was about to launch an invasion) is certainly a concern...unless Trump can change foreign policy...however, I'm not sure how he'll persuade big businesses that essentially rely on war. I like the fact Mike Pompeo has just visited North Korea to start dialogue there though, 15 years ago the place would already be bombed.

The USA is a great country which does offer comparatively good life chance - it's time the country started solving its own internal problems, divert spending into this and start compromising with other nations.
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/18/18 05:39 PM

I never said we were superior due to the size of our military. Fact is, NOBODY is more technology advanced as a military than we are. That is proven time and time again. You would be wrong to assume that because we fought ugly "political wars" against Vietnam and Korea that it weakened us or means we are not the strongest military power in the world. Even your "mother Russia" got embarrassed and ran out of Afghanistan in the 80's themselves. Does that make me think/anyone think the Afghans are stronger than Russia? Hell no.

Fergie I hate to tell you, but the UK has been there at every step with us as well. Their hands are just as dirty.

And if you think this would be a ground war, well you would be sadly mistaken. Russia has no chance against us in the skies or in the water. I'm far from an "American sheep", I know the capabilities of our military these days and no other country is as deep as us with our weaponry. I'm not slighting Russia, there is no doubt they are #2 in the world to us.

And you lefty leaning sissies who think we are weak because you don't like the President, well you better learn your facts instead of using your hate to dog America at every turn. I find it funny Cookie thinks he knows anything about the military...

Fergie, I agree, we should have left these small countries alone ever since WWII ended. I don't want us in them either. We shouldn't be sending money to ANY country and should be feeding our own before we send crap overseas to help. We have far too many issues at home and need to be getting folks off the street instead of sending aid in the form of weapons and food and instigating uprisings.
Posted By: helenwheels

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/18/18 06:28 PM

We aren't going to feed our own because there is no money in that. And we're cutting social programs like crazy under the new budget anyway. Feeding our own isn't a big priority in the US, as the comments section under any article about welfare, snap and meficaid will show. However:


Raytheon is trading at an all time high. Their stock opened 2.5% higher Friday, adding more than $1 billion to the defense contractor’s market capitalization.

The shares of other missile and weapons manufacturers, including Boeing ba , Lockheed Martin lmt , Northrop Grumman noc and General Dynamics gd , each rose as much as 1%, collectively gaining nearly $5 billion in market value as soon as they began trading, even as the broader market fell.

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2017...raytheon-stock?__twitter_impression=true



The wars aren't meant to be won, they're meant to be endless
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/18/18 08:08 PM

It's possibly too far gone for the US..even if there was some sort of call to reduce the military machine, it'd no doubt get portrayed along the lines of losing rights similar to the 2nd amendment. The public would be easily duped...!

Generations in the US are now used to the disgusting budget spending on "defence" and constant conflicts. That seems to be the first place your tax dollars go.

As Bill Burr said at the start of the week when he read about the missle strike, it wasn't so much about the reason, it was basically "holy shit, how much is this gonna cost for another war...luckily, it was basically just a drive-by". The US addiction to war:- It's like trying to get a friend off the blackjack table at a casino when the cards have gone dry..."cmon buddy, you've got rent to pay"...funny, sad and true..!
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/19/18 09:42 PM

@dixiemafia

Turn off fox news

China might be the #1 country seeing that we're in debt to them

We would have serious problems fighting russia

China might blow us to smithereens

Its 2018, everybody has weapons
Posted By: fergie

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/19/18 10:19 PM

Cook, worryingly, a fair amount of the American public would disagree with each of your 5 lines in that statement.....and probably half the politicians!
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/20/18 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by cookcounty
Turn off fox news


For one, I don't watch Fox News you dipshit.

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China might be the #1 country seeing that we're in debt to them


Now you're really stupid. We're in debt to many countries. Still doesn't mean shit military wise.

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We would have serious problems fighting russia


I never said we would blow Russia out in a couple of days. Learn to read (like that's possible)

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China might blow us to smithereens


Yea ok. If they were so big and bad they sure did cower to Trump fairly quickly over North Korea, but yea they own us and we should be scared rolleyes

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Its 2018, everybody has weapons


Sorry to tell you but just because everyone has guns doesn't mean they have the type of weapons we have. China is still using MIG's which couldn't even compare and hang with our F-14's, much less anything newer. I could go on and on about this, but I wouldn't expect a dumbass like yourself to understand that. It takes more than big numbers to have a dangerous army.
Posted By: RollinBones

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/20/18 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by dixiemafia
It takes more than big numbers to have a dangerous army.

This is very true these days.. You guys are talking about more Russian citizens being willing to die, but that dedication to your motherland won't mean shit when the bombs drop. The United States military is the most advanced on Earth by a landslide, you only need to take a look at the DOD budget to confirm this. I don't think a war against Russia or China would be "easy" or a smart thing to get into but one thing I don't doubt is that we have the capability to emerge victorious if it came down to that.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/20/18 06:35 PM

@dixiemafia

U think donald trump is tough but im the idiot

U think america is billy bad ass because thats what u were told

The last time we were put to the test was vietnam and we lost

Americans are pussies compared to other countries

We might beat russia/China but it'll significantly weaken us


@rollinbones

U do realize that it would be us against russia and china?

Theres a strong chance that it'll be a war against both countries if we fought one of them

China might have better technology than us
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/20/18 10:43 PM

Cookie boy is very upset with America. He must have a miserable life. Such a negative person. You think it is so bad here in this amazing country? How many people leave here to start new on Russia? A lot less than those who come here from Russia. I don't like McDonald's, so I don't go to there. You and all of the other unpatriotic pieces of garbage should pool your scraps together and migrate somewhere else. If you can't make it here, you should reexamine yourself.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/21/18 12:12 AM

@blueracing

So not believing the US can win every war is unpatriotic?

U need to be more realistic instead of being another sheep
Posted By: blueracing347

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/21/18 01:57 AM

Once again, you have misinterpreted. Go through your comments. Nothing but negative rhetoric.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/21/18 05:32 PM

@blueracing

Nothing negative bout hoping we dont get blown off the map

You were programmed to believe america is the almighty

We cant win a war against china and russia

They would team up against us if we fought either country
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/25/18 04:10 AM

That’s why the call a nuclear war mutual destruction between the big three. The big three is US China and Russia. That is why there won’t be a nuclear war.

How ever every one else like Korea, Iran we can win those with conventional or nuclear
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/25/18 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by cookcounty
They would team up against us if we fought either country


Yet another ignorant post. You think it would just be America against them? We have Allies that would go to war with us as well. Israel, U.K., France, etc.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/25/18 05:46 PM

@footreads

There's no telling how far trumps deranged ass will take it

But we'll probably just continue to just pick on weak countries


@dixiemafia

Our allies are on par with russia and chinas allies

Every country can get obliterated and that includes us

Trump supporters are naive and evil
Posted By: OakAsFan

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/26/18 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by dixiemafia
[quote=cookcounty] We have Allies that would go to war with us as well. Israel, U.K., France, etc.


Should go as smoothly as Iraq...
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/26/18 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by cookcounty
@footreads

There's no telling how far trumps deranged ass will take it

But we'll probably just continue to just pick on weak countries


@dixiemafia

Our allies are on par with russia and chinas allies

Every country can get obliterated and that includes us

Trump supporters are naive and evil


Ever heard of the story about the kid that cried wolf??? That's what you sound like.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/26/18 07:15 PM

Let’s make cook happy let’s nuke Russia. Then cook will shit his pants crying and waiting for Russia to nuke us. Chicago would be a perfect first target.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/26/18 07:57 PM

@dixiemafia

Ever heard about a dumbass that has no mind of his own

People like u are broken records


@footreads

Thats my point, this country would shit themselves in a real war

There's more whites in chicago than black
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/26/18 11:46 PM

I did not say Chicago because people are black. I said Chicago because people are left. Hope fully after Russia drops the big one there will be no one left smile
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/26/18 11:50 PM

Why shit themselves when you are dead your dead. Why worry about it better to get get laid then to worry. Worrying is a Big waste of time. Makes you old before your time.
Posted By: Footreads

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/27/18 12:15 PM

It looks like the start of denuclearization from Korea. Hostilities between North and South Korea has ended.

It took like cook does not have to shit his pants at least with North Korea. I guess he loves trump now right?
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/27/18 09:18 PM

No his dumbass will say Trump had nothing to do with any of this and that Obama started it all. Like how he tried to make your post racist? That's his little game
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/28/18 05:33 PM

@footreads

So kill people because they're democrats?

Some republicans are some of the worst people on earth

Koreas not a threat, just another media ploy


@dixiemafia

Why wouldn't I think his post was racist?

I could care less if the koreans kill each other

U should be concerned with that wall not being built
Posted By: dixiemafia

Re: The End Is Near.. US and Allies strike Syria - 04/28/18 06:12 PM

Because your simple ass thinks every post is racist if you don't agree with it. I could care less about that wall, I'm enjoying watching scum like yourself squirm.
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