People want to secede??

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

Found this random article. It has no merit whatsoever (though I'm surprised people from New York and Jersey were among the list). But has this sort of thing happened before in the past when Clinton or GW got reelected? People being idiots threatening to leave?

Some people just don't know how to accept the will of the people and the results of an election.

Speaking of that..this is making the rounds of some liberal blogs/email lists. It is equally funny, disturbing and down right disgusting. A loser to the nth degree...

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html

Hey I wasn't happy with the results, but I accept the fact that President Obama is the leader of our country and to try and secede is pretty moronic (and unlikely). What's done is done. For the good of the USA, people need to stop being idiots and realize infighting doesn't solve the many problems we have to deal with.

What a dipshit!!!!

"See, now that's over the top"- Silvio Dante

These people need to get the F over it. President Obama won, end of story. The Dems had to accept it when we got Bush for a second term. AND that was a hard pill to swallow for many.



TIS

They want to secede? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Save that fire for tomorrow!

That's what I'm saying...Bye bye


TIS

Fire? Not me. I'm an

You guys have been around longer for these elections than I have, has shit like this happened before?

Don't forget the Texas secession talk and rallies back in 2009.

It's funny Olivant, I just saw an article on NBC news about a petition from Texas that has over 34,000 signatures asking to leave the Union. Under Federal guidelines if a petition has over 25,000 signatures on it within 30 days the government has to respond.

Yeah, it started after Abraham Lincoln was elected. I don't know if anything came of it, though.

The government is under no obligation to respond to such a petition, which is as silly as it is meaningless. A state can not secede, based on legislative fiat or petition. We are not a League or Confederation of States, but a Union. The whole thing is inconsequential.

^Agreed

It's funny how everyone reacts to the result of the election. At least liberals were saying them move to France. Republicans want to secede. Look at Texas, Obama got 41% in that red state. If anything, that state is just as divided as the whole country. Bunch of morons.

i'm really not trying to be an asshole here, but i would be careful about calling us morons when your hellhole of a country hangs people from a crane in the town square for being gay!

So you want to secede from your country? If so, I think you are a moron. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. The fact that my country hangs gays, doesn't make those who want to secede from the US any less moronic.

Does this mean you're pro-secession, since you seem to be offended by them being called morons?

i'm not pro succesion, nor do i dislike iran , as i feel alot of people there are just stuck in a bad situation. what i do have a problem with is to have someone from a country with 10X the problems of america to criticize us when they have a seemingly never ending train of human rights violations going on almost daily.

Just a personal note: afsaneh is one of the fairest and brightest persons I know. Unless you include yourself as a secessionist (and you say you don't) afsaneh's remark about morons was not pointed at you, but rather at those who want to secede. That is a BIG difference.

Well, tough luck, you are going to continue having this problem. I'm going to criticize whatever I think it's not right.

Thanks SC, you are too kind. I'm a big gal and it's quite all right. His problem seems to be that since I come from a country with human rights problem, I've no right to pass any judgement on anyone in the US. Not sure what sort of reason could result in such a view, but it sure doesn't make any sense to me, and I just ignore that.

i like AF and his posts are good and its not some personal attack here, its the internet after all, a disagreement, nothing more. i just don't like ANYBODY who does't live here to dump on anybody who does(no matter how stupid the choices they make make may seem, that used to be called patriotism, maybe not anymore ) when they come from a place that KILLS people for making so called "bad choices". with that said, everyone has a right to thier own opinion! to be fair, i'm not accusing AF of supporting said policies, but it remains a hard pill to swallow regardless. i hope everyone has a great night

FF - I don't know why afsaneh's location has any effect on how you respond to her. If I said that the secessionists are morons (and I believe they are morons) would you have a problem with that?

I also believe that Iran has more than its share of human rights issues but throwing that up here now, in response to afsaneh's remarks about secessionists is just plain pointless.

For what we all know she or he could be your neighbor? Kinda spooky huh?

Still think they aren't morons?

OMG!!!

Secdee? Sure haven't you ever heard of secdee? Geez!





TIS

This shit usually originates in Hollywood, but no one ever goes anwhere.

When Bush was running the first time, Cher and Barbra Streisand threatened to leave the country if he won. On the other side of the aisle, Chuck Norris wants to secede and Mel Gibson's father actually did move his family to Australia back in the '60s becuase the country was becoming too liberal for him (tells you something about Mad Mel's formative years).

But no one ever goes anywhere. Let them move to a country where they can be stoned in the town square for voicing an opinion, see how long it takes them to run back here with their tails between their legs.

Texas seceding is the biggest joke. The Mexican drug cartels would eat them alive. The Alamo was a long time ago. Long before plastic explosives and automatic weapons.

Both extreme moves, Afs. One is just as stupid as the other. Let them all go if they're unhappy. That's all I'm saying.

Hollywood thing? I think it's more a nutjob/whacko thing.




TIS

Lol I joked to a buddy of mine today about the south wanting to secede again and I said "by God let them" :lol"

But this wasn't just the south. Petitions came from Michigan, New Jersey, and New York as well, all blue states.

Fact is President Obama isn't Hitler or Stalin, just like George Bush wasn't, both are and were really unpopular with the other party. But this is America, we aren't turning into something we aren't and while I may disagree with the President on many issues, he's still the President. He won fair and square, and for the good of the USA people need to stop being idiots about this.

Don't get offended, Tis. When I say Hollywood, I DO NOT MEAN all Californians. I was just pointing out that Streisand and Cher also threatened to move away when Festus was running for President. He won, they stayed.

I was also quick to point out that Mel Gibson and Chuck Norris (both Righties) have made equally outrageous comments over the years. I have no respect for anyone who threatens to bolt from the country or secede in any way, no matter what side of the political fence they sit on.

Whether you're Mel Gibson on the Right or Sean Penn on the Left. If you're an extremist and you don't want to be here, you should get the fuck out.

i'm not a political expert, so if someone wants to go pick through what i have to say with a fine tooth comb to try and take away my credibility, go ahead i think people are more worried about one group(regardless of which side), trying to impose thier beliefs/ideas on them, which is where at least some of this secede talk comes from. let me elaborate...

regardless of which side you voted for(i voted for neither as i'm not gonna vote for somebody who i disagree with on so many fronts, meaning both parties) there is alot of division in this country and the close election proved this. we live in a country of around 330 million people, so the bottom line is no matter who wins, alot of people are gonna be unhappy. this is why i believe states rights are so important, particularly today. some people might have a different view, but to me the way the country was set up was so that if the area you live in has some laws/rules/regulations that you don't agree with, either try to change them or move to a state that better suites you. what we have evolved into is a country where what the almighty feds say goes, which leads to countless problems as its hard enough to please a family of 4 in terms of whats for dinner as opposed to an immense population when it comes to the many complex political issues that we are facing.

both parties always claim to be for states rights, but only when it seems to suite thier particular agenda. whether the issue is economic policy, gay rights/marriage, gun laws, immigration, medical marijuana, let the states decide. with that said there is always some asshole with some whitty comment like "well, what if the states wanna legalize child porn" or something similarly stupid. not gonna happen, as the majority of people have alot more common sense that the federal government gives them credit for. this is why i believe that local/county/state elections are more important now than ever as its just an impossible task to please everyone in a country as diverse as america. just my two cents guys

^^^ FF as far as being a political expert you should feel no need to explain yourself. Everyone is going to argue till their red in the face about this shit

great points raised, i agree.

First of all the Nation's population is about 309 million. 2nd, the primary reason for the Constitutional Convention wa the failure of the Articles of Confeeration to bestow upon the Continental Congress sufficient authority to govern the Nation.

Considering most of these states who want to be independent are among the most government funds dependent, I say let them go. It'll do wonders for our deficit.

Amen to that,just on farm subsidies and defense alone its tons of $$

Joe, I appreciate your posts on this recent issue of secession petitions. But I think you may be seeing more in the story than there actually is. I seriously doubt that even a sliver of those, who put their names to the petitions, would be willing to secede when push came to shove. The number of names is more of a reflection of the ease of the use of the internet, more than it is a political statement.

Frankly, the petitions carry no weight or force; it represents a small and loose, but vocal, collection of malcontents.

Quite true Kly. Just think of a state that did secede. How would that impact its commerce? It would have to negotiate treaties with the other states. In addition, it would encumber that state with immigration and travel requirements and restrictions. It's hardly worth it.

Granted, but the difference is that they didn't want to take the rest of the people in their state who disagreed with them to France, like these favoring secession want to do.

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/13/is-it-time-to-roll-up-the-welcome-mat-here/

One isn't better than the other afs. However you look at it both sides are idiots whether one wants to secede or the other wants to go France. Anything super liberal or super conservative is just downright annoying.

In terms of a person not having loyalty to their country true, but they are not the same. One wants to leave, the other not only wants to leave, but to drag others with him as well. Cannot be the same logically.

To be fair, someone actually saying they should secede instead of whining about going to Canada or France to me is alot worse if only because public officials aren't having (to waste time) to reply to Alec Baldwin's temper tandrums.

Who in their right minds want to go to France?????

Whatever the reason......

I would prefer Spain quite honestly.

Yeah, he's about who I'm talking about, Ronnie. You're lucky you don't live up here where he's in the paper almost every day. But you see, that's how I know I have no problem separating art from life. I think Baldwin is impossibly funny with a dry wit. The guy makes me laugh and I'll continue to watch him. Meanwhile, if I saw him in the street I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

But you're right, blowhards like Baldwin are pretty much harmless to the general public (if not to their own children when calling them fat little pigs ).

This tabloid shit..call the national inquirer

We should give Texas provisional secession. Pull out al federal aid, all social secuity and medicare, all border patrol, all tax breaks for oil companies and all other federal subsidies. They'll be begging to re-join the Union in a week.

Pretty much what I said. They couldn't protect the Alamo today.

They couldn't protct the Alamo the first time around.

Yeah, but at least it made for a great story back then .

So now Austin wants to secede from Texas and join the US.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...states/TDD212hQ

^^^^
Austin is unlike the rest of Texas. It's really a great place. I'd welcome them to the United States .

No money though my friend. The only country that uses the poxy Euro that is doing well is Germany...and as i said about France, who wants to live there??

^^^^
Fuck the French, Yogi.

Yeah, I said it .

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/15/0/enhanced-buzz-14067-1352956933-0.jpg

I really hope this is fake, and not a actual petition

I'm sure the Canadians are dying to have their own government I hear they're willing to fight for it

We also might lose our maple syrup and hockey...oh wait...

I read the petition, and all I can say is...

Say, whaaaaaaat?

The very thought of no maple syrup and - horror of horrors! - no hockey makes this an issue to be dealt with immediately! Spare no expense! Send our top diplomats to the Great White North! (Where's Hillary?)

What will this mean to Leonard Cohen, Gordon Lightfoot, and... (shudder!)... Celine Dion??!!

Oh, Canada..... !

Signor V.

And i was definitely thinking it

You give humanity too much credit.

Hu??? I agree Bam. I hope it is fake, but then again, it's getting to be where this election season especially, nothing surprises me.


TIS

The President will probably grant it because the State of Canada went for Romney in the election.

In addition:

All Oklahoma football fans who attend the annual Texas-OU game in Dallas will have to obtain passports to reenter the US after the game. The same holds true for any US Citizens who attend the State Fair of Texas.

All Texas exports to the US will be subject to applicable tariffs.

Texas will have to enter into a treaty with the US to establish procedures regarding extradition of criminals.

Since US law no longer applies in Texas, all current and pending federal court actions will cease and all federal law enforcement will withdraw.

And one last thing: as its own nation, Texas will have to start patrolling its 1,400 mile border with Mexico since all US personnel will be withdrawn from that border to take up positions on the borders of the four states that surround the nation of Texas.

Oli do you expect that to actually happen?

No way. It's just a way for people to let off steam.

Yea, but technically or even legally, it's NOT possible right?





TIS

Right. The Civil War settled it.

The Obama administration is very clear about the issues like gay rights/marriage, gun laws, immigration, medical marijuana.These are some issues that need legislation and I think that the Obama administration will be succeeded.

Many of us do not know how to know about the will of people and to interpreted the result of election.We believe on democracy so we should be well aware of its positive and negative impacts on every single thing.