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Affordable Health Care Act Upheld

Posted By: klydon1

Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:19 PM

I haven't heard details, but a Supreme Court site reported that the constitutionality of the mandate was upheld, not through the commerce clause, but as a tax. Like all, I'm awaiting details, but this could be a BIG day for the President.

Justice Roberts reportedly authored the decision. Please note that the story isn't officially confirmed, but the email alerts I get have been accurate in the past.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:30 PM

I think this is the first day I have ever been happy with Justice Roberts.

Second Obama term here we come whistle

<<<waits for Republican BB members to attack lol
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:32 PM

Like I said in the C&J thread, I doubt Roberts is going to get anymore conservative dinner party invites after this.

Was I the only local surprised by this decision?

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Like all, I'm awaiting details, but this could be a BIG day for the President.


If that's true, the reverse is also true for his opponent.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I think this is the first day I have ever been happy with Justice Roberts.

Second Obama term here we come whistle

<<<waits for Republican BB members to attack lol


It's 4 months still election day. Still a long time to go. Though to be honest I haven't paid attention at all to the news for the last month so I have zero clue regarding the political landscape in the last 24/7.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:36 PM

All the media was basically WRONG. lol CNN apparently was so anxious for a doom/gloom scenario for the President that they had to change their banner.

smile

https://twitter.com/onthemedia/status/218349233407934466/photo/1


TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:37 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
All the media was basically WRONG. lol CNN apparently was so anxious for a doom/gloom scenario for the President that they had to change their banner.

smile

https://twitter.com/onthemedia/status/218349233407934466/photo/1


TIS


Man times have changed since CNN was the Clinton News Network.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:41 PM

I can't wait to read the decision. Upholding the mandate as a tax is so interesting.

However, if you favor the Act, don't do the wave yet. The decision may leave the states with some options.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 02:41 PM

Honestly, with this supreme court I had little hope the mandate would survive. When I heard Scalia's little hissy fit/President Obama trashing in the AZ law decision (don't remember his exact words), I did wonder, IF knowing THIS decision was coming, simply pissed him off so much he had to lash out. lol

TIS
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:02 PM

A tweet from Ben Shapiro:

"This is the greatest destruction of individual liberty since Dredd Scott. This is the end of America as we know it. No exaggeration."

From NRO:

I honestly cannot believe this many Americans are retarded and think this way. As if one law will make premiums go through the roof. God damn I'm ashamed to say I'm American. Selfish assholes, all of you.

We're gonna get this from that fringe the next few days, right?

(Even when I' pissed with some of the bullshit in this country, I'm never ashamed to say I'm an American. Usually you never hear right-wingers pull that shame card, but today isn't normal.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:21 PM

Current headline on right-wing site DailyCaller:

Congratulations, Americans: The government owns your bodies
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:22 PM

Boehner better hold off on the Holder contempt vote for a while. It's not going to make the big splash he wants today.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I think this is the first day I have ever been happy with Justice Roberts.

Second Obama term here we come whistle

<<<waits for Republican BB members to attack lol


It's 4 months still election day. Still a long time to go. Though to be honest I haven't paid attention at all to the news for the last month so I have zero clue regarding the political landscape in the last 24/7.


i jumped the gun on the second term comment i know, i am just a bit shocked at this ruling honestly

but reading Robert's decision it makes sense IMHO
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:31 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I can't wait to read the decision. Upholding the mandate as a tax is so interesting.



It is fascinating. This will be a decision studied in law schools for generations. I am most interested in the language the majority used to remove the mandate from the Commerce Clause.

If conservatives want a silver lining on the mandate vote, it may rest in dicta that limits the expansive application of the Clause.

Many don't realize that the Commerce Clause provided the constitutional basis for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I think this is the first day I have ever been happy with Justice Roberts.

Second Obama term here we come whistle

<<<waits for Republican BB members to attack lol


It's 4 months still election day. Still a long time to go. Though to be honest I haven't paid attention at all to the news for the last month so I have zero clue regarding the political landscape in the last 24/7.


i jumped the gun on the second term comment i know, i am just a bit shocked at this ruling honestly

Long way to go. Four months is an eternity in national politics. The election won't be decided until after the conventions, and don't forget that no one does the "October Surprise" like the Republicans. But this is still a critical win for Obama and he's at least a marginal favorite at this point.

The side of me that pulls over to look at car wrecks is telling me to turn on Rush Limbaugh right now. But I won't grin.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: olivant
I can't wait to read the decision. Upholding the mandate as a tax is so interesting.



It is fascinating. This will be a decision studied in law schools for generations. I am most interested in the language the majority used to remove the mandate from the Commerce Clause.

If conservatives want a silver lining on the mandate vote, it may rest in dicta that limits the expansive application of the Clause.

Many don't realize that the Commerce Clause provided the constitutional basis for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.


You know Kly, I think you and me are just about the only people in America who know this as you posted: "...the Commerce Clause provided the constitutional basis for the Civil Rights Act of 1964." I teach that in my classes. I too want to read the Court's opinion about commerce.

But here's what Robert's wrote about taxing: "Simply put, Congress may tax and spend," Roberts wrote in the majority opinion. "This grant gives the federal government considerable influence even in areas where it cannot directly regulate."

"The federal government may enact a tax on an activity that it cannot authorize, forbid or otherwise control,” Roberts wrote.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:44 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I teach that in my classes.

Here's Olivant teaching the Emancipation Proclamation.

Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:48 PM

Well, you tell me PB, how do people get themselves emancipated without a proclamation?
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:51 PM

While I don't fully understand the decision in all its complexities, this is a banner day for the millions of uninsured Americans out there. As a real estate agent, I know how hard it can me on a family. While we're lucky enough to be covered under my husband's benefits, none of the other agents in my firm have insurance. They pay about $1600 per MONTH to be covered, and they still have huge deductibles and so on. I can't imagine having to earn enough to cover that nut, in addition to my mortgage, taxes, utilities and food bills!

This also means that our kids, who are now entering college, will be covered, even for the first years after they graduate.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:51 PM

In the words of Joe Biden, "This is a big f*cking deal."
It marks a real change in the dynamics of the Supreme Court, it makes Obama the transformative president we'd hoped for and best of all it has set the tea baggers hair on fire.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 03:54 PM

The best public relations news Obamacare has ever gotten?

Quote:
The argument against Obamacare from constitutional norms has been fatally wounded to the extent of winning over persuadables... It also damages Romney in other ways. He can no longer distinguish Romneycare from Obamacare on the grounds that one is a legitimate use of state power and the other is is an unconstitutional use of federal power. Thanks to the Supreme Court, both Romneycare and Obamacare are now constitutional schemes of coverage mandates + individual purchase mandates + guaranteed issue + community rating. Romney can try to explain why what he thinks is good for Massachusetts isn’t good for America. Not impossible, but not easy, and I would guess probably beyond Romney’s power.


http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/06/28/no-spin/%20
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 04:02 PM

People moving to Canada because of Obamacare

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare

~Do they know about Canada's HC system? Oh dear.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 04:06 PM

And of course Mittens will repeal it on "day one." rolleyes




TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
People moving to Canada because of Obamacare

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare

~Do they know about Canada's HC system? Oh dear.

Assholes. Reminds me of when the fringe lunatics on the other side, like Cher and Alec Baldwin, were moving to Canada if Bush got elected. Never mind how this country allowed them to make their fortunes. And last I checked, they're both still here. Come to think of it, I think Baldwin is marrying a niece of his whistle.

The only nutjob actor who I can think of making good on such a promise was Michael Moriarty. The guy may be crazy, but he stood by his words. I give him credit for that.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 04:31 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don
I think this is the first day I have ever been happy with Justice Roberts.

Second Obama term here we come whistle

<<<waits for Republican BB members to attack lol


It's 4 months still election day. Still a long time to go. Though to be honest I haven't paid attention at all to the news for the last month so I have zero clue regarding the political landscape in the last 24/7.


i jumped the gun on the second term comment i know, i am just a bit shocked at this ruling honestly

Long way to go. Four months is an eternity in national politics. The election won't be decided until after the conventions, and don't forget that no one does the "October Surprise" like the Republicans. But this is still a critical win for Obama and he's at least a marginal favorite at this point.

The side of me that pulls over to look at car wrecks is telling me to turn on Rush Limbaugh right now. But I won't grin.


"October Surprise" is right, personally I am concerned with the astonishing amount of cash being raised and spent by special interests on both sides (especially Conservative Super PACs). Tons of stuff can happen until election day so it is still early. But Obama does have one major accomplishment in his term that has eluded many Democratic Presidents for generations. I give him that much.

Here's one interesting little difference between Conservative Wet Dream Romney's health care plan and Kenyan Socialist Obama's health care plan:
Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:02 PM

Okay, it's pretty clear. Already, several Republicans are touting the law as a tax. That will remain the primary theme of the Republicans' campaign from here on out.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Already, several Republicans are touting the law as a tax.

Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Okay, it's pretty clear. Already, several Republicans are touting the law as a tax. That will remain the primary theme of the Republicans' campaign from here on out.


And the ienvitable counter-spin will come too.

"Mitt's Tax (Before he was against it!)"
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:13 PM

"One of the paradoxes of the controversy is that the individual insurance mandate is actually a conservative Republican idea. The Republican-friendly Heritage Foundation think tank proposed the concept (PDF) more than two decades ago. Before Obama and many Democratic leaders embraced the mandate, the measure had the support of many powerful Republicans. As late as June 2009, Senator Charles Grassley (Iowa), the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, told Fox News: “There is a bipartisan consensus to have an individual mandate.”

Once Obama made it a major part of his agenda, however, Republicans changed their minds. The Supreme Court’s ruling is a vindication of the president’s decision to push health reform as his main political goal."

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-06-28/supreme-court-supports-obamacare-and-bolsters-obama
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:32 PM

I knew everything couldnt be rosy as it relates to Justice Roberts decision, check this out:

"Chief Justice Roberts also made sure to keep the broader impact of his decision narrow, by saying explicitly that the Affordable Care Act only survived if viewed as a tax and that had Congress had to rely on the Commerce Clause to pass the law, the law would have failed.

"Congress has never attempted to rely on that power to compel individuals not engaged in commerce to purchase an unwanted product," wrote Chief Justice Roberts. "If the power to "regulate" something included the power to create it, many of the provisions in the Constitution would be superfluous."

Legal experts suspect that this language could be seized upon in the future by conservatives or others looking to strike down existing—and in some instances longstanding—federal laws regulating everything from the environment to consumer safety. Many of those laws were passed under the Commerce Clause.

"Make no mistake, Roberts gave the conservatives a very big gift—a ticking time bomb that could explode in cases down the line,"
said Nan Aron, the president of the Alliance for Justice, a liberal-leaning civil-rights organization in Washington. "The Commerce Clause undergirds the entire fabric of government and a lot of our laws."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424..._LEFTTopStories
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:36 PM

Amazing how on a day liberals "win," they still think they've lost. Such defeatist-trained mindsets really nobody any good.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 05:52 PM

Pelosi & Boehner's responses to today's decision. lol


TIS



Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 06:14 PM

I think it's important to keep in mind the complexity of most Supreme Court decisions. This one was about 200 pages long. Although it is being touted as constitutional support for the Act, one should read the majority decision and the dissenting decisions before giving too much credence to the popular interpretation. There are important statements in those decisions which may mitigate the Act and future federal law.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 06:32 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
I think it's important to keep in mind the complexity of most Supreme Court decisions. This one was about 200 pages long. Although it is being touted as constitutional support for the Act, one should read the majority decision and the dissenting decisions before giving too much credence to the popular interpretation. There are important statements in those decisions which may mitigate the Act and future federal law.

I agree, Oli. When you go through the fine print you never know what you may find. But I also agree with Ronnie, as far as certain liberals being "defeatist." Doomsayers never do anyone any good.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 06:59 PM

Congressman Pence (R) likens HCR ruling to 9/11 Attacks

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/
Posted By: goombah

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 07:04 PM

Forget left vs. right for the moment. Candidates and presidents have been touting wanting to provide health care insurance since at least the days of Ronald Reagan. Obama was the first one to get it done. Is it perfect? No, of course not. But how could it be with the divisiveness our Congress has shown over the past dozen years?

To be honest, I've been less than impressed with a lot of Obama's first 3.5 years. But at the end of the day, he got this passed and was upheld by the Supreme Court (barely). Plus he got bin Laden. The economy is finally starting to come back after the near-Great Depression Part II from 2008-09. Far from perfect, but some goods steps in the right direction.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Congressman Pence (R) likens HCR ruling to 9/11 Attacks

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/

What a disgusting comparison mad.

Asshole shitkicker from Indiana. Was he anywhere near Manhattan on September 11th?

Fucking guy should die of hemorrhoids.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 07:43 PM

These teabaggers are amazing.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 08:08 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
Forget left vs. right for the moment. Candidates and presidents have been touting wanting to provide health care insurance since at least the days of Ronald Reagan. Obama was the first one to get it done. Is it perfect? No, of course not. But how could it be with the divisiveness our Congress has shown over the past dozen years?


Jesus Congress can't even pass that seemingly common sensical bill on student loans, a bill (in concept) that both national candidates of both parties agree. But God forbid the incumbent might get a legislative win of any kind.

I think what I admire is that Obama has staked his Presidency on a domestic bill that whether how much it succeeds or not, it's a bill striving to help the masses in the pursuit towards a problem to be solved previously by free enterprise and government. Considering the fight and consequences in the HCR war, a cautious incumbent would've waited (if not ever do it) as reportedly Hillary Clinton would've done if she had won.

As partisan as this is, what would be the GOP equivalent in a domestic agenda? Cutting taxes for the ultra-rich? Maybe economically on an intellectual front that works or not, but is that as noble and righteous of a justice crusade for the American people? (Romney thought once upon a time that even as a "conservative," it was a goal worth striving for too. Shit Obamacare was originally conceived by the right-wing Heritage foundation.) The rest of their domestic agenda would amount nothing more than worrying about those gays trying to enhance a conservative institution like marriage, unlike the great role model Bristol Palin.

AAC is a start, and yes it is a mess with some holes and problems. But the solution to those flaws isn't to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but try to remedy those gaps. I mean doesn't common sense dictate you try to solve a problem, and if a solution fails to satisfy it, then you try another. Do cops quit a murder investigation if their first suspect gets an alibi? Of course not.

Whether he wins re-election or not, Obama has left his stamp on the American political landscape, I like to think for the positive. For all his failures and faults, I do respect and admire that he decided at some point that losing another term is a price worth paying if it meant making a long-held democratic dream (dating back to Truman, and earlier than that back to Teddy Roosevelt) reality.

And I think that's an inspiring thought. In our times we are so (justifiably) cynical about government and the officials we elect to it, we've lost the powerful idea that perhaps the pursuit for political power isn't to stroke ego or eleviate your stock in society, but for some sort of greater good beyond yourself. (Not like the Clintons when Bubba was merely satisfied by the cheap pops. Asides from the economy doing good, what were his accomplishments? I don't see many people inspired by NAFTA's signage even if techncially it was the right course of action.)
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 08:17 PM

From Mitt Romney's own campaign website:

Quote:
"As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts ..."


http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution
Posted By: goombah

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Congressman Pence (R) likens HCR ruling to 9/11 Attacks

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/

What a disgusting comparison mad.

Asshole shitkicker from Indiana. Was he anywhere near Manhattan on September 11th?

Fucking guy should die of hemorrhoids.


Actually, he should get in his car and drive 100 mph into a telephone pole. That may be the most ridiculous comparison ever uttered by a politician.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 09:17 PM

I don't know if anyone here was watching FOX News this morning, but at 10:22 AM they reported breaking news that the individual mandate was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. They went live to one of their cute blondes (named Shannon) at the Court, who held the decision, read a few sentences of Roberts' holding that the Commerce Clause does not constitutionally support the mandate, and then she looked directly into the camera and said, "The individual mandate is GONE."

I guess someone, who was actually able to understand the decision informed FOX News during the day of the actual decision.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 09:23 PM

Ronnie,

Clinton wasnt that bad. I liked Bill. As president, Clinton presided over the longest period of peacetime economic expansion in American history. He implemented Don't ask, don't tell, an intermediate step to full gay military integration. He successfully passed welfare reform and the State Children's Health Insurance Program, providing health coverage for millions of children among others.

Speaking of Bubba, last year I had the former president of the American Political Science Association as a Professor. He used to refer to Bill as the "last great Republican president", with the implication being that Bill championed many Republican proposals such as deregulation of the financial industry, free trade, etc.
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 09:25 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
I don't know if anyone here was watching FOX News this morning, but at 10:22 AM they reported breaking news that the individual mandate was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. They went live to one of their cute blondes (named Shannon) at the Court, who held the decision, read a few sentences of Roberts' holding that the Commerce Clause does not constitutionally support the mandate, and then she looked directly into the camera and said, "The individual mandate is GONE."

I guess someone, who was actually able to understand the decision informed FOX News during the day of the actual decision.


CNN did the same thing. Fortunately for me, I had to turn my tv off at 10 for a conference call so when I turned it back on 30 minutes later I didnt event notice the error.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...sa98V_blog.html
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 09:53 PM

Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

CNN did the same thing. Fortunately for me, I had to turn my tv off at 10 for a conference call so when I turned it back on 30 minutes later I didnt event notice the error.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...sa98V_blog.html


Hilarious. FOX and CNN would rather be first than right. Dewey Defeats Truman all over again.

FOX reported the wrong story at 10:22 AM. I'd like to go on the record that I posted the reported result correctly here at 10:19. If only they had consulted me... smile
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 10:22 PM

MSNBC just showed an older clip of Romney stating how an individual mandate was necessary. Whatever way the wind blows. lol



TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 11:00 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
MSNBC just showed an older clip of Romney stating how an individual mandate was necessary. Whatever way the wind blows.


Romney blows.
Posted By: SC

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 11:02 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Fucking guy should die of hemorrhoids.


Is it too early to vote for Post of the Year?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/28/12 11:12 PM

CNN & others are really getting the business for jumping the gun. Here's a photoshop pic reminiscent of familiar media slip-up. lol

TIS


Posted By: IvyLeague

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 02:56 AM

I have mixed feelings on this.

On one hand, I couldn't help but enjoy seeing the Republicans eat this. They've always paid lip service to health care reform but never had any real intention of actually doing it. So now this is what they get.

On the other hand, I'm still not sold on everything in the bill itself. At least the things we've all heard about, assuming they're true to any degree.
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 10:26 AM

The bill is a mess, if at the least because Congress "wrote" it, that 535 head monster. And we all know they can't wipe their own ass without writing 400 pages and 70 amendments.

Anyway, good ole Michael Savage claims Justice Roberts made his swing vote because he has epilepsy.

Quote:
"Let's talk about [US Supreme Court Chief Justice John] Roberts. I'm going to tell you something that you're not going to hear anywhere else, that you must pay attention to. It's well known that Roberts, unfortunately for him, has suffered from epileptic seizures. Therefore he has been on medication. Therefore neurologists will tell you that medication used for seizure disorders, such as epilepsy, can introduce mental slowing, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems. And if you look at Roberts' writings you can see the cognitive disassociation in what he is saying,"


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2..._cognition.html

I wonder what Dubya thinks of all this? Does he regret appointing Roberts?
Posted By: goombah

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Dapper_Don

CNN did the same thing. Fortunately for me, I had to turn my tv off at 10 for a conference call so when I turned it back on 30 minutes later I didnt event notice the error.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-...sa98V_blog.html


Hilarious. FOX and CNN would rather be first than right. Dewey Defeats Truman all over again.

FOX reported the wrong story at 10:22 AM. I'd like to go on the record that I posted the reported result correctly here at 10:19. If only they had consulted me... smile

lol

We go live now to Wolf Blizer's replacement: Klydon. What's the latest?

You could replace any of the dolts on Fox and it would be a huge improvement.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 02:50 PM

Hosts and guests of both radio and tv talk shows are manifesting paroxysms of frustration and anger over the Court's ruling. Of course, the mantra that they all now voice is about the law's tax component. It all sounds likea temper tantrum.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 05:00 PM

Originally Posted By: goombah
lol

We go live now to Wolf Blizer's replacement: Klydon. What's the latest?

You could replace any of the dolts on Fox and it would be a huge improvement.


I don't know about that, goombah. But I often first hear news here on the BB from ronnie, olivant and others.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 05:42 PM

For all the ranting and raving from the right, I have yet to hear an alternative plan.
Posted By: klydon1

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 06:20 PM

While driving yesterday, I listened to Limbaugh for 5 minutes. He blamed the Colorado forest fires on Obama because he scaled back funding for the planes, which are being used to drop retardanton the flames. Then he blasted the overturned medicaid provision and said that states that don't expand the medicaid eligibilty better not have a natural disaster because out of spite Obama will withhold federal relief from them.

I couldn't make this up.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/29/12 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: klydon1
While driving yesterday, I listened to Limbaugh for 5 minutes. He blamed the Colorado forest fires on Obama because he scaled back funding for the planes, which are being used to drop retardanton the flames. Then he blasted the overturned medicaid provision and said that states that don't expand the medicaid eligibilty better not have a natural disaster because out of spite Obama will withhold federal relief from them.

I couldn't make this up.


Well Kly, he may be on to something. In several pics of the great Chicago fire, there are a few discernable faces that bear an errily close resemblence of Barack Obama. Of course, he can't account for his whereabouts at the time of the fire. Iknow. I know. He wasn't born at the time, right? Well, let's check that birth certificate again!
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/30/12 01:49 PM

Originally Posted By: olivant
Originally Posted By: klydon1
While driving yesterday, I listened to Limbaugh for 5 minutes. He blamed the Colorado forest fires on Obama because he scaled back funding for the planes, which are being used to drop retardanton the flames. Then he blasted the overturned medicaid provision and said that states that don't expand the medicaid eligibilty better not have a natural disaster because out of spite Obama will withhold federal relief from them.

I couldn't make this up.


Well Kly, he may be on to something. In several pics of the great Chicago fire, there are a few discernable faces that bear an errily close resemblence of Barack Obama. Of course, he can't account for his whereabouts at the time of the fire. Iknow. I know. He wasn't born at the time, right? Well, let's check that birth certificate again!


He may have had something to do with the San Francisco Earthquake in 1905 also, although he may have been a baby in Kenya at the time.
Posted By: olivant

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 06/30/12 03:13 PM

By MACKENZIE WEINGER | 6/29/12 3:02 PM EDT

Americans are starkly divided over the Supreme Court’s health care ruling and three in 10 say they want the law repealed entirely, according to a poll released Friday.

It’s an even split, with 46 percent agreeing and 46 percent disagreeing with the court’s Thursday decision, the Gallup poll shows. The results reveal sharply partisan lines — 79 percent of Democrats applaud the ruling while 83 percent of Republicans are against it. But independents are divided, with 45 percent agreeing and 42 percent disagreeing with the court’s decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/78031.html#ixzz1zIVgezFr
Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 07/02/12 01:01 AM

CBS reports what's been rumored for days, that Roberts did switch his vote after initially siding with the conservatives.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57464549/roberts-switched-views-to-uphold-health-care-law/

So can we blame Scalia now?
Posted By: Lilo

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 07/02/12 01:57 AM

The Republicans will come after the President with everything they've got. It's too late to look up the links now (WSJ/NYT/Politico) but actually there are quite a few liberal legal experts and law supporters who think that the limitation on the Commerce Clause and the rejection of forced Medicaid expansion are poison pills that over the years will enable greater conservative resistance to and revanchism against the modern welfare state. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Posted By: U talkin' da me ??

It was Roberts all along . . . . . - 07/02/12 10:13 AM



As for Justice Roberts being the one as to who was really controlling the Affordable Health Care Act swing vote decision, and not Justice Kennedy, a caller to a radio talk show compared that, to the The Godfather, when they realize that "it was Barzini (Roberts) all along" (negativley deciding the swing vote).
Posted By: Dapper_Don

Re: Affordable Health Care Act Upheld - 07/12/12 12:11 AM

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