shouldnt Eric Holder be held in contempt?

i really think for the most part the fbi has some very intelligent people working for them but in this case you CANNOT lie to congress and then think you can get away with it cause you hold the top spot in the fbi. After all they forget they are paid with tax payer money and if we want to hold criminals responsible for their actions then we HAVE to hold the people that enforce it responsible for thiers

These probes into corruption are a waste of tax-paper money. If he is held in contempt he'll use whatever clout and/or influence to make this go away.

SPOH...Don't get me wrong I agree with your post. But some of these politicians are worse then the lcn guys when it comes to where did 400 million dollars go for the local school district.

And then they wonder why they keep losing high profile cases. If you cant trust the people that investigate and inforce crime than how can you trust that their investigations arent flawed.

The contests between the executive and legislative branches are as old as the Republic. Washington, Jefferson, and Jackson all had their contests with Congress.

Holder isn't having a very good month, that's for sure.

holder doesnt work for the fbi, hes the us attorney general which is under the dept of justice

Exactly. The FBI is under the DOJ and Holder heads the DOJ as Attorney General.

correct, but the fbi's activities hardly ever come under the microscope of doj

Issa: Holder didn't produce Fast & Furious documents in Capitol Hill meeting

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/.../#ixzz1yHyAdF8m here we go again What is his department trying to hide, if this was a regular citizen they would be in jail already until they could produce the documents

Issa is one of the biggest (and the richest/corrupt) douchebag in Congress, I did some stuff with his office last year and the guy is a tool, even his own staff hates him.

and then they want us to trust them, how could we when all they are worried about his politics and it always gets in the way of honesty!!!

Obama Executive Privilege Asserted Over Fast And Furious Documents What a farce! What are they hiding? If this was the so called mob they would be in jail for contempt and a charge of perjury! What a disgrace. Obama just lost my vote, not that he cares or does it even matter.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/obama-executive-privilege-fast-and-furious_n_1611962.html?1340201773&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D171477

maybe there is some serious national security stuff in those documents...until now obama has been quiet on this whole thing for the most part so just as other presidents have used exectuive privilege in the past obama has the right to use it as well

but i do wonder what is in those documents...

You might want to read some texts such as Gordon Wood's Empire of Liberty, or Catherine Bowen's Miracle at Philadephia. The content of these and similar texts should provide you with some context for judging the machinations of elected officials such as separation of powers, checks and balances, and the content and historical interpretation of the Constitution's Article I and Article II.

Yeah. Turley has a big problem with it while others point out the long history of its usage especially under the previous Administration.

I agree with all of you but for one exception, he has already went in front of congress and got caught actually lieing while other times the president used this power was before they even went before any commitee or had any depositions

Mr. Holder did not appear before Congress; he testified in a hearing before one committee of the House of Representatives. That committee recommended that the full House determine if Mr. Holder should be held in contempt. The committee's contempt citation is due to Mr. Holder's failure to submit certain documents which that committee requested that he submit.

okay thanks but maybe i didnt say it right
Issa's latest push pertains to documents that would shed light into how the Justice Department handled the congressional probe into the failed program. Issa contends that Holder has engaged in a "cover-up" and attempted to "obstruct [the] investigation and deceive the public," a charge that hinges on the Justice Department's initial denial that the gun-walking had been officially sanctioned or previously known about.

I really have nothing against Mr.Holder but the fact that he has to be held up to the standards of any other citizen when he is asked sensitive questions and probably even higher cause he holds such a high position

This is just politics. And it is also racial. No attorney General has ever been held in contempt of congress -- NEVER.
This would include people like John Mitchell who never spoke a word of truth in his life.

I tend to agree DT. I still don't understand what there is for Congress to investigate.

Different strokes for different folks. We all can have our opinions

This is why you have to be honest if you hold a high position in government; Murdered border agent Brian Terry's parents accuse Obama officials of 'hiding something'

Read this and get rightly informed, dont be fooled by the spin machine

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/

There might be an argument for contempt, but since everybody involved in this debate is commencing their wordy war because this is an election year and the opposition thinks it'll damage Obama or something, it's an irrelevant matter that will be forgotten within a year.

Of course unrelated, involved in this fight is the same NRA who's offended simply by our government trying to fight the Mexican cartels by stemming the flow of guns down south. God forbid if people are denied their firearms, even if it's violent evil foreign criminals who're trying to illegal acquire them. So yeah in short, the NRA is helping the cartels.

(Has it really hurt Obama as the right-wing hopes? I think the main problem is the scandal name: "Fast & Furious," and when people hear that, they think Vin Diesel. They get the wrong idea.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/eric-holder-contempt_n_1630791.html

music to my ears

Justice Department will not prosecute Eric Holder:

http://www.foxnews.com/

In anticipation of some retort to the foregoing, I include this:

Mukasey Refuses to Prosecute Bush Aides By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, March 1, 2008

Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey refused yesterday to refer two new House contempt citations to a federal grand jury, saying the White House [President Bush] aides involved in the case cannot be prosecuted because they were following legal advice from the Justice Department.

I just heard. Can't say I'm surprised at all.






TIS

Holder is a racist and very much anti-American. One of the biggest libs. Makes hippies look not that lib.

How is he racist and anti-American? Please share your rationale.

One of the major reasons the Republicans are going after Holder is because the DOJ is suing Florida over its improper removal of American citizens (minorities) from the voter rolls and its blatant disregard for the Voting Rights act.

I dont believe hes a racist but i do believe he thinks hes above the law.I mean i was pysically sick watching him respond to the republicans they way he did yesterday as if he did nothing wrong. If he didnt do anything wrong the president wouldnt have had to bail him out. And im a democrat!

You're exceptional ability to determine what people think is truly remarkable. However, you may wish to educate yourself about the hegemony that Presidents and Congresses try to exert over each other (as well as Executive Priviledge) I suggest you start by consulting the Congressional Research Service. Then read a couple of books, both of which I think I've already suggested you read: Empire of Liberty and Catherine Bowne's Miracle at Philadelphia .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/30/fast-and-furious_n_1639315.html?ref=topbar

anybody else they would investigate and fiercly, Wouldnt that be a kick in the ass if he uses the race card cause the republicans are going after him

Guys. Holder always referred to blacks as his people, revealing that his race is number one and being American second. He dropped the case against the black panthers who used brutality towards white voters by making them vote obame in our last election. What about using the race card after the Trayvon Martin shooting? He's prejudice and it shows.

Hmm. The decision not to charge the New Black Panther Party members was initially made under the Bush Administration, not the Obama Administration. No one was making any white people vote for Obama. No voter ever said they were intimidated or forced to vote for someone. Amazing that Republicans are suddenly interested in civil rights voting cases.

I do not know Attorney General Holder and am not in his social circle, and I would be surprised if anyone else here is. So I don't know that he *always* refers to blacks as his people. What I do know is that is when he was explaining that the New Black Panther case was not comparable to centuries of voter discrimination against Black people in the south, he said this:

"When you compare what people endured in the South in the 60s to try to get the right to vote for African Americans, to compare what people subjected to that with what happened in Philadelphia, which was inappropriate....to describe it in those terms I think does a great disservice to people who put their lives on the line for my people."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/03/testifying_before_a_house_appr.html

Now I don't see how a fair minded person, regardless of his or her politics could think that is racist but life is full of surprises.

Scarcely a month goes by without some white conservative/Republican/Tea Party person somewhere making insulting or offensive remarks about Black people or comparing the President and his wife or children to animals and so on. Of course when their "jokes" leak out they indignantly claim they're not racist, no not them.

It's revealing that conservatives accuse Holder and by extension Obama of putting black people first. Believe me that is so not the perception in other (reality based) communities. I wonder if people also think that all the previous white presidents and attorney generals put white people first?

When Holder is on tape talking about the inferiority of whites or bragging about how he discriminates against whites then perhaps there is something to discuss. Until then this seems like classic projection and over-compensation.

I didn't pay attention to news for a few days because they kept stalling everything with him, I'll look up the shit, so I'm assuming he was never held in contempt of court ? ?

The House voted a contempt citation upon the recommendatiopnof its ovesight committee. However, the Justice Department will not prosecute it.

Exactly. The initial investigation was conducted by the Chicago Police Department on election day which was November 4, 2008 which was 75 days before the end of the Bush Administration and Michael Mukaskey's tenure as Attorney General. The police found no basis to even issue a citation.

Politics in Philadelphia Politicians will pick up vans full of bums they can vote on certain issues and well show numbers at a town hall meeting.." It was front page about 3 weeks ago the It reminded me of a story of city government they show in the wire

Id rather not read about past history and the battles between the two and debate the issue at hand!! The man i would excuse for political reasons if he didnt lie and then say that he might of had knowledge a year before lieing that he had NO KNOWLEDGE of fast and furious!!!Say what you want he should of did a no comment instead of LIEING!!! If you accept getting lied to than thats your right but i dont and im sure the majority of americans dont! lets face it he did get caught lieing and thats the bottom line....

This fella has more excuses than my 12 year old...

Misdirection and deception seem to go hand in hand with the last few AGs.

Eric?

Perhaps you are being 'attacked' by Republicans, but only because you opened the door with your complete lack of honesty and your complete embracing of evasion!

I have NO Party Affiliation (Read: Affliction) and certainly no love for the current incarnations of the GOP or the DNC.

I do, however, have extreme distrust for the current AG and his far-less-than-transparent boss.





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