Pig to run for President.

NEW YORK (AFP) - Declaring "I'm in to win," Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton launched her 2008 presidential bid that could make her the first female president of the United States.

Clinton, the wife of former president Bill Clinton, lashed out at President George W. Bush in a video on her website as she ended years of speculation over her political ambitions to declare she was joining the race.

"I'm in. And I'm in to win," she said in a video on her website.

Whats up with the "pig" thing? I have nothin against Hillary.
It would be cool if she won. What did she say about W?

Please please please refrain from referring Hillary as a pig! I like pigs.

I don't know if a pig is a step forward or a step back in terms of leadership.

What I found most ridiculous however typical 'Hillary' is how she'd be out 'talking to you'...and invited people to visit her website and share 'your ideas'.

It's her classic trap of lulling the gullible, starry-eyed into believing that if they can 'share' their thoughts and ideas and wants with her (i.e., I want the gov't to give me everything), then that that's what they'll get.

It's her classic, Socialist way of appearing to say everything while saying absolutely nothing.

The people of New York fell for it. Twice. Let's hope the majority of the USA are a wee bit smarter.

Apple

Do you judge a film by its audience?
A person by their friends?

Or the friends by the person?
The audience because of the film?

Interesting indeed; either way, politics is for gullible people in general, no?

Doubtful. They elected W twice.

They're not. Why do you think bush is in office for 8 years

EDIT

Great minds think alike, huh SC?

Apple, you have a great knack for simplification.

Who did Hillary beat in 2000? Rick Lazzio. A child could beat him.

In 2006? Some nobody that the GOP threw out into the wind without any serious support. Yet Hillary spent $30+ million for that re-election campaign. Overkill?

Thing is, she hasn't actually faced a serious opponent in an election yet. I mean Apple, you think Hillary would easily beat Guilliani if the latter hadn't pulled out due to prostate cancer? She might have won, but it would have been a brutal cage fight.

Leftists, Liberals, or progressives out there...don't support Hillary. She is very much the successor to a person that such people of the left absolutely despised. Just like Richard Milhouse Nixon, she's transparently ambitious as fuck, scheming little shit, backstabbingly ruthless, and outright unlikeable as a person.

Of course, I think Hillary won't win the Democratic nomination for 2008. People in that party want someone besides her to carry their banner against McCain in 2008. But who?

As of this posting, I'm adopting a new domestic policy that's more important and impressive than anything that Dubya could ever produce: A.B.H.

A.B.H. (Anybody But Hillary) will support any Democratic candidate that could stop, defeat, or overthrow Hillary.

So Obama and Edwards.....call me!



P.S. - Obama, Edwards, and Hillary...what's the difference between them? Only one didn't vote for the war in Iraq, then turn around and call it a super mistake. clue? His middle name is Hussein.

Don Smitty, Pig is too nice of a characterization. That is giving Billary too much credit. I can't understand the lure. She's is an opportunist. Why did the Clinton's move to NY? So Hillary could be visible. Senator Hillary Clinton of Arkansas just doesn't have the same clout. Oh, she's probably a nice lady, but honestly, does she really care about America? Her motives are doubtlful, her intentions transparent. America needs leaders, not politicians and Billary is the second one. I'd sooner vote for Obama. At least he appears to be genuine.

Since Hillary/Obama/Edwards are the only serious contenders for the Democrats...

I like Edwards. I would probably vote for him if he got the nomination.

But one thing about Edwards nags me. Like Kerry, he basically voted for the Iraq war in 2003 simply so he wouldn't be called a pussy during his Presidential campaign.

Then once the war goes bad, he says that his vote was a "mistake," and how now he's against the war. Certainly at least he was more natural with his changing of positions than Hillary. Hell, that fact might be a major reason why she doesn't win the nomination in 08.

Obama? Unless somebody(Apple?Drudge?) can dig up proof to contradict otherwise, he was always against the war.

One good knock against Kerry in 2004 was that he flip-flopped.

Obama may apparently be a bigger liberal than Hillary, an incredible thin record of any substantial efforts within the Senate(which makes Edwards breath easier), and so forth, but he sounds more appealing than Hillary like Babies over Hitler.

Well, of course they did!! When the alternative choice was
John (Reporting for Duty) Kerry...I'd say the majority of the USA did indeed make the smart decision in re-electing G.W. Bush.

Let's hope their wisdom prevails in 2008.

Apple

Just like the voters voted for her husband who couldn't keep his pants zipped twice

And still can't, according to what I've heard.

But again in '96, the voters had the alternate choice of Bob Dole...who might've been a terrific President, but proved to be a terrible candidate. It was a bad nomination choice because Clinton could've been beaten by the right guy.

Anyway, that's old news. Back to the (oink, oink) subject at hand...

Apple

A pig doesn't work right as an animorphic symbol for Hillary.

Someone get a bitch* picture quickly!

*=Sorry Pervs, female dog. Call up Lassie. I'm sure that bitch hasn't had work lately. Easy one-day photo shoot.

Oh Apple, you just so forgot also about Dick Morris' Triangulation campaign strategy that allowed Clinton to keep the liberals firmly in his camp(since they wouldn't vote for Dole, they had no choice), and gobble up as much of the independent voters as possible, making Dole's campaign unable to gain voters outside of Republican and/or conservative-laden voters.

Funny how Morris becomes one of the major Anti-Hillary people within the conservative ideological press media, yet he helped Bubba get re-elected. Apple, go rip him a new one with an e-mail sometime in making fun of his deal. I got a nice "Thanks for writing to me, Fuck You" reply from his account.

Not to mention that Dole acted like an old shit, or Reagan without the charismatic grace. Its bad when Norm MacDonald becomes an image of Dole whenever his Viagra-popping name erects into your subconciousness.

Could Clinton have been beaten? Oh yeah. But Dole's campaign, Clinton successfully pitching himself to the masses as the moderate safe-sane choice(ala LBJ in '64), plus Newt Gingrich shooting his mouth off(the media killed him when Newt wanted to throw welfare mothers in the joint) just screwed Dole.

I figured Hillary would be smarter than that to run. I mean she should know that the US is tired of being divided at this point and people would love to see someone who brings both sides closer.

If I had a vote I'd have put my feministic support aside and would say: Oooobama, come to mama!

I honestly would have to know more about Hillary's position on various issues before I could decide if she's worthy of a vote. I agree that she is ambitious and rather cut-throat, but how does that make her any different from anyone else that has run for this office? I doubt that she'll get the party's nomination. I don't think this country is ready to vote in a woman for president, much less one with the type of history and baggage that she's carrying.

DS, I understand that you're not a fan of Senator Clinton, but why would you want to refer to her in such an antagonistic way? While you may not respect her politics, she's still a human being. I may not be a fan of the President's, but I would never refer to him as President Dumb-Ass.

Why you think we call him Dubya?

Yeah Smitty!!! What's the matter with you thinking that you can exercise your rights of freedom of speech and expression? What do you think, that you're a liberal?

Don't you know that the left only supports censorship when a negative opinion is given of someone from their side?

Definition of a Pig : having short legs, cloven hooves, bristly hair, and a cartilaginous snout.

Informal Definition: A person regarded as being piglike, greedy, or gross.


I don't know. Looks to me that Smitty's use of the word pig was properly applied when defining a certain Senator from New York!




Don Cardi

If Don Smitty wants to exercise his freedom of speech by demeaning another human being, then I can certainly exercise mine by pointing out how completely and utterly without class it is to do so, or to defend it.

Oh, I see how it works now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.


Don Cardi

No problem, bro. It's my pleasure.

I knew that applause icon would come in use.

They did? Man, and all this time I was under the impression that he stole both elections!

But it's still very doubtful that the majority of the USA are a wee bit smarter because they also elected Slick Willie twice!



Don Cardi

Hey if she does get into office and you happen to see her in NY before she goes to Washington tell her to kiss your other cheeks

Oh please...the same majority of independent voters that went for Dubya also went for Bubba.

Either they're foolish all the time, or wise all the time.

Guess which choice I'm voting for.

Besides, Hillary permanently made sure that I would do my best to keep her from winning the nomination with that bullshit of hers after the "Hot Coffee" situation happened with GRAND THEFT AUTO: SAN ANDREAS.

Hell, even my fellow game-playing bruthas over in Europe thought she was an opportunistic bitch*.

*=Dictionary Main Entry: 1bitch
Pronunciation: 'bich
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
1 : the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a : a lewd or immoral woman b : a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman -- sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3 : something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4 : COMPLAINT

If Hillary really is a pig, then why'd Bill have to look elsewhere for some pork?

Well, people say that, but they wouldn't really, would they?

Would they?

When I saw this I thought maybe Cheney had changed his mond and decided to run, then I thought of that pig Bernard KeriK or his former boss Rudy "Il Duce" Giuliani, but then to my surprise, it was just some sliming of Hillary. I don't use the term "wingholes" very often any more, but when the shoe fits....

dt...they can't help it they're Republicans!

The more I think about it I should have said Bernard Kerik or his Sicilian Messenger Boy Rudy Giuliani....but what the heck.
Considering the wealth of candidates the good guys have this year and the fact that they are going to be stuck with John "You Can't Force That Medication On Me Nurse Ratchett" McCain, I understand their agitation.

I think I'm gonna puke

Quiz Time:

Sept 2006 - Who said "I'm sure Senator Clinton would make a good President"??

McCain?

Bill?

No, Afs is right. It was John McCain.



Don Cardi

Being that I'm a lifelong New Yorker and surrounded by liberals I'm finding this Hillary thing overwhelming. I got off the train yesterday at 86th and Lex and ALREADY they're out promoting her as their savior.
Before anybody starts - I'm not a sexist, I could live with a woman being President. I could live with a Democrat, just not a George Clooney - Barbara Streisand loving, head up her ass liberal.
This woman is EVIL personified. Somebody from elsewhere in the country PLEASE reassure me that she can't win.
Alec Baldwin and Rosie O'Donnell as cabinet members ?
Brrrrrrrrrr....Let us not insult the swine of this earth by calling this twat a pig.

Are you sure you're not maybe just a little bit sexist?

Yeah, liberals just trip themselves over for Rosie O'Donnell, like conservatives just hang around the boys bathroom, smoking with Fallwell and Robertson.

Trust me, most of the liberals I know think those Hollywood celebrities are full of shit, same on the other aisles with the coincidentally-prosperous televangelists.

I just hate Hillary because she's Nixon-esque in the worst ways. At least Tricky Dick had a reasonable and rather sane overall-foreign policy. Peace with strength.

How could I be ?
Since when is Hillary a woman ?

Well said. Conservatives are hardly a bargain either.
I'm not sure when we crossed the line in this country and Democrats just had to become bleeding heart liberals and Republicans just had to become Bible thumping conservatives, but it's kind of scary.
If we haven't learned the dangers of extreme thinking in the 5 1/2 years since 9/11, I'm not sure we ever will.

You bring up a good point. It always amazed me the way politicians on both sides of the aisle pander to celebrities as if their views should carry more weight than the average working man and woman.

It's silly how celebrities get so dramatic about a political cause or candidate and present themselves as shining beacons for the masses. Celebrities are actually the last people from whom we should receive our political beliefs as they basically exist in a fantasy world with little understanding of reality.

Amen.

The other problem with when conservative pundits keep their talking points about celebrities(as if they matter politically), is that they always ignore those that support conservative or Republican candidates/causes.

I mean, if you don't want celebrities in Hollywood to be political, be just and fair with both sides. Muffle Streisand, but McGraw as well.

Thing is, celebrities have the constitutional right to get involved in the political process. The problem is, they don't ultimately matter, or not as significant as some want to suggest.

Hell, even George Clooney admits that, and he's the guy that created that "Smug" pollution!

Aww man, that ain't right.

She has a slow metabolisim!!

I don't follow polotics vary much.
But I do know that I have nothing against Hillary, and think she would be a good president. Anybody's better than W.

I didn't realize the Samaritans were in the running this year.

Are they ever ?

You don't follow politics very much, but yet because you have nothing against Hillary, you think that she would make a good president?

If you don't follow politics, then what would make you feel that she would be a good president? Or anyone who is running for that matter?

You see, this is what scares me in general. People making statements like this will go out and vote for someone, not really knowing anything about them, but only voting for them because they happen to like their name, or the way that they look, or because of their ethnic background, etc. Not making an educated decision based on where that person running for office stands on certain issues, or knowing their track resord.



Don Cardi

Anonymity is Hillary's best friend in the ballot box, next to the empty shell casing from Vince Foster's skull.

Universal Suffrage...a real pain in the ass eh DC??

Universal suffrage has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point that I was making. So please, spare us your attempt to turn this into something that it's not about.

The issue here is that a person made a comment on how they really do not follow politics but would vote for someone just because they have nothing against them. In my opinion that's a pretty weak reason to vote for someone who may become the leader of your nation.

Everyone has the right to vote, and for whomever they please. But an educated and logical person will base that decision on hard facts, background and issues and not solely on the fact that they have nothing against them.

Universal suffrage? Perhaps you'd be better served starting a new topic on that matter, because it has nothing to do, whatsoever, with what I am talking about here.



Don Cardi

Actually, the real problem is arrogant foreigners without a clue...

Hillary is Hillary. She seems to be rather polarizing, and there seems to be very little grey involved when it comes to her. Most people are either for or against her, with little or no middle ground.

What I find interesting is that most people attribute qualities (of I should say the lack of them) to her such as ruthlessness, coldness, ambition, etc. as their reasons for not liking her. These are qualities that are going to be inherent in ANY person, to a certain degree, that achieves a high office, be it in politics or the private sector. Yet nobody mentions that she's also intelligent, fairly charismatic, and hard-working.

Yes, I will admit that she is intelligent, extremely charismatic, and pretty hard working when it comes to getting something or fighting for something that could turn out to be beneficial to her own agenda. Is she any different from every other politician when it can benefit her own cause? Absolutely not. Is she an opportunist just like the rest of them down in Washington? You bet.

But what I'd really like to see is someone provide some details or facts on what she has actually done for this country as a whole. I would like for someone to tell me how many bills she's presented, that have passed, that have helped the American people.

On a whole I am looking for some solid facts that tell me that she has an excellent track record / history in getting what needs to be done for the country.

Really, what major mark has she left that we can look back on to convince us that she would make a good president?

Anyone?



Don Cardi

Honestly, I don't know enough about her stand on issues to make any sort of intelligent decision on whether I would consider her worthy of my vote for President. I also don't know who she might be running against yet to make that decision.

My point is that most people seem to react to her on a PERSONAL level, rather than saying, I wouldn't vote for her because she's pro-this or she's anti-that.

For example, I could say that I don't care for President Bush's policies regarding the environment and that he hasn't pushed for alternative fuel sources, that he's against stem cell research, etc. as a basis of my desire to see someone else in office.

Those who claim to support Hillary AND those who claim to NOT support her seem to base their decisions on a personal basis rather than the issues. I thought that was rather unusual.

It's not personal SB, strictly business.

SB, why are you wasting your time arguing with Cardo ( )?

IMO, they're ALL whores!!

Whores? Really? You think? You mean, people don't enter the political arena in the hopes of perhaps bettering the lives of their constituents?? Sheesh, SC, you are so cynical!! After all, as Ross Perot once pointed out, they are public servants.

The only thing pointed out about Ross Perot were his ears.

What about for the state is is suppose to be representing?

Go to her website for a comprehensive list of the bills she has either tried to pass or pass. There is no doubt that she has brought home a lot of pork for upstate New York, which badly needs it.

If I were to go to her website I'd probably get a virus that would destroy my computer.

I took your advice and went to her website and read many of the bills that she has sponsered or co-sponsered. Truthfully I see that most of them never passed and were just reffered to the proper committees for further review.

And also with most of them, as a citizen of New York, I do not really see that many bills sponsered or co-sponsered that would benefit the state (which btw she suddenly adopted after her husband's presidency was over) that she represents.

I'm sorry, but I just do not see an impressive track record that qualifies her to be the President United States Of America.


What I do find very interesting is how she is not steadfast on her issues and seems to lack self conviction. Below are various statements that she has made from her senate floor speeches all the way to television interviews.

........"I am not sorry that I voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq."


........"I have continually raised doubts about the President's claims, lack of planning and execution of the war."



........"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."


........."The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates. And when Security Council members use the veto, on occasion, for reasons of narrow-minded interests, it cannot act."


........"The Bush Administration short-circuited the U.N. inspectors - the last line of defense against the possibility that our intelligence was false."



She is someone who seems to sway in whichever direction the wind happens to be blowing at that moment.

Not presidential material as far as I'm concerned.



Don Cardi

You better run your virus scan DC.

A virus on my computer from her website really doesn't matter now.

I was "slimed" by her in person already. Remember?



Don Cardi

Oh yeah I remember you telling me that. I still feel sorry for you for that.

Or, you could listen to DC, and also live in NY, to see the vast ineptitude and non-effect that Hillary has had as a Senator from this state.

ANYONE who thinks her run for NY Senator was anything more than a launching pad for the Presidency is a fool. She has done zero for New York State, and it only continues to lend credence to why she shouldn't be President.

I fondly recall a quote that says "Any man who actually wants the job of the President should not run."

I think that phrase can be made gender-neutral.

Regards,
Double-J

I do wonder if Hillary's quest for the Presidency isn't because she actually wants the job...but simply to get the glory of being the FIRST Madam President.

Knowing of her personality, either reason for wanting the job is probable, if not both.

What are specific examples of her "ineptitude" as a Senator?

Instead, I'd rather try to have you list all of the wonderful things you claimed she's done, according to her website, which of course, would never be propagandizing her record!

And then we can see what all of us from NY think about that useless banter.

Using information to defend Hillary from her own website is like taking Tricky Dick Nixon's word for granted on what happened with Watergate.

Give me independent and legit information from somewhere else, and I'll go with ya.

Otherwise, I'll keep making jokes about New Yorkers.

Well, apparently someone in this thread thinks its worthwhile, considering they cited it.

I'll ignore the undercurrent ofracism there, but it wasn't me who voted in a buffoon...twice! Sorry I'll take that back, you only voted him in twice, he lost the first time!!

Apparently I'm missing something; where is there an undercurrent of racism in this thread?

SC, I believe covert racism has many forms. I was alluding to JJ's description of me as an arrogant foreigner. Now he didn't refer to a thick Paddy or a bog trotter. What JJ has (IMO) is a typical island mentality where everthing that is not (in this case) American should be treated with a healthy dose of suspicion. He feels comfortable being one of the pack, he needs to belong, so he immediately tries to point out that I'm an outsider (he's not one of us, not the same as you and me). He wants to please the pack leaders, those who he looks up to (Apple & Don Cardi). It's known as the pack mentality or herd brhaviour. I refer you to WD Hamilton's seminal piece "Geometry for The Selfish Herd"

Racism is the wrong word. It is xenophobia.

Senza Mama -

I don't know that JJ looks up to me, I think that he actually has his own opinions as there were many times in the past where he and I disagreed about certain issues.

Now let me ask you something, Ok?

Am I not a foreigner to you? You live in a different country than I do. I live in a different country than you. I do not have any allegiace to your country. Nor do you to mine.

Of course I am a foreigner to you, just as you are one to me.

There is nothing wrong or racist about reffering to someone as being a foreigner.



I think after all this time conversing together here on the boards I can safely say that you are not the type to use the racist card in any of your arguements. Therefore I'll have to chalk off your thinking that JJ was making a racist remark as a result of you misinterpreting the true meaning of the word foreigner.

There is nothing offensive or wrong with the word foreigner.


Don Cardi

I see what you're saying, and I agree that, in and of itself, the term "foreigner" is neutral.

What I think Senza objects to is the context, in which it was placed (arrogant foreigner), that may carry a perjorative connotation. While the emoticon might imply that the comment was made in jest, Senza could reasonably draw the inference, "What does my being a foreigner have to do with the dialogue? What is the reason to indicate my citizenship when calling me arrogant?"

By comparison, the words "Jew" or "Catholic" are neutral on their face, but if a person is described as an "arrogant Jew" or "arrogant Catholic", then the words may become charged with new, broader meaning.

The remark was originally lost on me as I had no idea that Senza lived outside the USA. And again, I think that Double J intended the remark to be a playful joke and not to be taken seriously.

By the way, Senza's analysis is interesting. I'm afraid how he might size me up.

Point taken Klyd.



Personally, and many of the older members here will tell you this about me, I am the first one to lose it if I feel ANY kind of racism or prejudice is being used, especially if it is against another member here.

I have no tolerance for that kind of bullshit in life itself, period.

But I really do NOT think that there was an intent to be racist or prejudice in this case.

I guess that I feel that there is an abscence of malice.


Don Cardi

I agree. As I said, I didn't see anything racist either in the intent.

Just a joke that backfired...albeit not with the fallout that John Kerry had.

I've replied to Senza Mama.

Thanks for your input, guys.

Ladies and gents, lets try to remember we're an international community here. Everyone's opinion is equal even if the subject of AMERICAN politics is at hand.

Was it Archie Bunker who said that we're all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.

Sounds like something he'd say.

I wonder what HIS rant would be (about Hillary Clinton).

I can't even imagine! Maybe something like :

"If dat president Clinton dere would have kept his woman in da kitchen, where she balongs, den we wouldn't be in dis mess right now wit a woman wantin to become da president. Who eva heard of such a ting!"




One of my favorites was when Archie was doing a crossword puzzle and he was looking for a four letter Italian word for "goodbye" and came up with Bang. B-A-N-G.


Don Cardi

I remember it from Orwell's Animal Farm:

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."

Signor V.

My favorite Archie line was his argument against gun control. When his daughter argued that there were 10,000 hand gun deaths in the past year, Archie replied, "Would ya feel better if they was pushed out windows?"

I agree.

That's right! Wow, did I miss by a mile.

I'm not anti-Anglican.

And he never lost.

Regards,
Double-J

"I don't regret giving the president authority"

"How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath of the toppling of Saddam Hussein?"

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"I'm so happy being senator from New York right now. I love my life. I love my job. I want to see it through," Clinton said. "The people of New York took a chance on me, and I'm well aware of that. I said I wouldn't run, and I really mean it. I'm not going to run."

"Only a new president can renew the promise of America. I'm in it to win it."


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"The Administration refused repeated requests from the U.N. inspectors to finish their work."

"The United Nations is an organization that is still growing and maturing. It often lacks the cohesion to enforce its own mandates."

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"We have to face the fact we need a larger active-duty military. I don't think we have any alternatives. We cannot continue to stretch our troops, both active-duty, Guard and Reserve, to the breaking point."

"We need to resolve the political problems in Iraq."

"I'm for redeploying our troops out of Baghdad and eventually out of Iraq so we can make sure that they're not in the midst of a civil war."

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"U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In dealing with this threat no option can be taken off the table."

"I don't believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines."

"We cannot and should not—must not—permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. To be sure, we need to cajole China and Russia into going along with diplomatic and economic sanctions."

"First, and most obviously, we must by word and deed renew internationalism for a new century."

"We did not face World War II alone, we did not face the Cold War alone, and we cannot face the global terrorist threat or other profound challenges alone either."




- Hillary Clinton

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Don Cardi

DC, what are you trying to say?

Not surprising, DC.

No, not at all. It's just a stark reminder of all the lies and contradictions that we had to put up with for eight years from both her and her husband.

Here's an example of how she says one thing one day, and says something totally different the next :

In a story written back in October of 2006, it addressed the students of Stuyvesant High School in lower Manhattan, near ground zero, being exposed to contaminants released from the destruction of the twin towers. The students complained that they were sent back into that school to soon,( which there is no doubt that they were) before any extensive testing had been done, and had to live with the smell of smoke for months. There was an increase asthma attacks amongst the students of that school. One student even tragically contracted Hodgkins disease. I've always felt really bad for those kids, right from the moment that the attacks occurred.

So opportunist Hillary, seeing the chance to pick up some votes because of the current outcry of threatening health issues that were increasing in the people and students who were told that is was ok to go back into that area, released this statement when this story came out :


"This is an issue that should have been addressed long ago. The collapse of the World Trade Center propelled debris and toxins across lower Manhattan and as far away as Brooklyn. In many nearby buildings, windows were blown out, and layers of dust accumulated in interior spaces. In other buildings, dust entered through open windows or through ventilation systems. The illnesses of former Stuyvesant High School students raise new questions about the toxic legacy of September 11. The federal government must take care of those residents, workers, students and first responders who are ill. It is long past time for EPA to implement a comprehensive testing and clean up program to assure New Yorkers that their schools, offices and homes are safe."


"An issue that should have been addressed long ago. Long past time to implement a comprehensive testing....to assure New Yorkers that their school, offices and home are safe."



Well she must have conveniently forgotten that on Monday September 17th 2001, only 6 days after the attacks on the WTC, SHE led a building of people, who were much closer in proximity than even that high school (a block away to be exact), back to work so that the world energy exchange markets could re-open and resume trading once again. She even made a speech that morning to the people of that building telling them how brave they were to come back into the area and how important it was for us to help get the energy markets trading again. She assured those people, while making that speech, that they were safe and that the air was ok to breathe.

The people of that building were the ONLY civilians allowed in that area.

I was one of those people. I heard her speech that morning. I heard her assure me and the others that everything was fine with the air quality.


ABout a year later, it was reported by the Political Action Committee that represented our energy exchange, that a donation had been made on the exchanges behalf to her political office.


She's a liar, plain and simple.



Don Cardi

All Politicians are liars.Thats why i don't follow it..Theres my 2 pence worth.

DC, That is horrible about the Stuyvestant students. I had no idea that they were experiencing health problems. For those of you who are not from NY, Stuyvestant, although it is a public school, is for the brightest kids from all 5 boroughs. What a tragedy!!

I know how you feel about Hillary. I agree to a certain extent, and you've made very valid points with excellent points backing them up.

But the problem is, I'm sure that the same case of "double speak" could be made for plenty of elected officials on both sides.

Can you give some examples?

From 'both' sides?

Thanks.
Apple

No question about it. It's almost a requirement when running for political office.

However my previous post about her was not about sides or political party. It was about Billary Rotten Clinton.





Don Cardi

Yup, you're right, DC. She has the amazing talent to speak out of both sides of her mouth. Maybe she should've been a ventriloquist. Oh, that's right - she did that for eight years!!

Very Good SB. I have to remember that one!


Don Cardi

DC, Somehow I knew that you would.