Luca's Baby

Posted By: canaveral6

Luca's Baby - 06/30/02 04:05 PM

when Luca told the woman to throw his baby in the furnace because there couldn't be any of that race or whatever did he mean because it was not Italian, Because the mother was a whore, or because Luca didn't want anything that came from his loins to walk free in the world.

Posted By: Scarlett

Re: Luca's Baby - 07/03/02 09:35 PM

I just reread the novel not long ago and he made the midwife throw it in the furnace because it was Irish! It doesn't ACTUALLY state that but I assume it was becase of the "race" comment and the baby's mother was an Irish girl.

Posted By: daoke

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/15/02 08:25 AM

i do not know why Italians and Irish hate and look down upon each other,but maybe Scarlett is right.

Posted By: SC

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/15/02 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Scarlett:
I just reread the novel not long ago and he made the midwife throw it in the furnace because it was Irish!

The novel explains that the midwife didn't understand what Luca meant by his choice of words, "race" (whether that meant the baby was part Irish, OR if meant the baby's mother was a whore, OR if it meant that it sprang from Luca's own loins). There was no explanation of WHY Luca had the baby killed, other than the race thing.

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Originally posted by daoke:
i do not know why Italians and Irish hate and look down upon each other

Here, in the New York City area, there is a large number of marriages between Italian and Irish.

Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/15/02 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by SC:
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Here, in the New York City area, there is a large number of marriages between Italian and Irish.

Yes. The newspaper accounts of those weddings start with: "Among the injured were..."

Posted By: Guineapig

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/15/02 07:03 PM

oh yeah turn i can say from acquaintance in relationship w/ Irish women what nutcases.

Posted By: M.M. Floors

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/16/02 05:21 PM

I thought Luca said this because he didn't want that his child had a criminal father and would be the same as him. And Luca also wanted to be only concentrated on his job, and that is not possible when he has a child.

Posted By: BronxKing

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/20/02 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by Turnbull:

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Originally posted by SC:
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Here, in the New York City area, there is a large number of marriages between Italian and Irish.

Yes. The newspaper accounts of those weddings start with: "Among the injured were..."

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One minute a scholar, next minute a wiseguy

Posted By: injektilo*

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/20/02 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by SC:

Here, in the New York City area, there is a large number of marriages between Italian and Irish.

I'm not sure how accurate this book is, but The Gangsters by Timothy Jacobs has this to say on Al Capone and Italian/Irish marriges.

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...Alphonse met a tall Irish girl named Mae Coughlin. While the Italian and Irish communities as a rule did not smile on one another, it was true that certain circumstances encouraged intermarriage to happen.

Italian boys had no fear of marriage, while Irish boys tended to wait until they were well settled in their occupations. Therefore, marriage anxious Irish girls found an attraction, as did Mae Coughlin, in Italian boys. Alphonse married Mae almost immediately - the ceremony was performed on 18 December 1918.

Seems like a few sweeping generalisations! But I guess his reasoning may be true.

Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/21/02 12:25 AM

That point's well taken, Injectilo! John Kobler, one of Capone's biographers (his is one of the best bios of Capone) makes the same point: Irish gals were glad to marry Italian guys because Italians weren't averse to marrying young, whereas Irish lads most often waited until they were 30 or older. BTW: Guinness Book of Records used to list Ireland as the nation with the oldest average age of marriage for men.

Posted By: Wiseguy_1872

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/21/02 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Turnball
BTW: Guinness Book of Records used to list Ireland as the nation with the oldest average age of marriage for men.

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There's a lot to be said for Irish wisdom.

Posted By: Turi Giuliano

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/21/02 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Wiseguy_1872:

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[b]BTW: Guinness Book of Records used to list Ireland as the nation with the oldest average age of marriage for men.

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There's a lot to be said for Irish wisdom.

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I also read that 7% of the Irish barley crop goes towards Guiness. That may have something to do with it.

Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Luca's Baby - 08/21/02 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Turi Giuliano:
[QUOTE]I also read that 7% of the Irish barley crop goes towards Guiness. That may have something to do with it.

Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Luca's Baby - 09/16/02 09:29 PM

Hi,
From what I read it had to do with Luca himself. He wanted no offspring to live that came from his loins. Luca was one of the baddest people on Earth.

Paul

Posted By: Savoca_6

Re: Luca's Baby - 10/18/02 05:54 PM

I'm going to have to agree with that. If Luca was really touchy about the Irish thing, he probably would have resented Tom and the Don for having an adopted son.

Posted By: goddaughter

Re: Luca's Baby - 10/30/02 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Guineapig:

oh yeah turn i can say from acquaintance in relationship w/ Irish women what nutcases.

Excuse me?!