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Godfather novel question

Posted By: Boss_of_bosses

Godfather novel question - 05/18/02 03:37 AM

I have a question. Like in the movie, did Michael Corleone lash out at the heads of the 5 families (actually Moe green is a Vegas guy so I mean the heads of the 4 other New York families)?
Posted By: ibidperez

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/18/02 03:58 AM

yes rolleyes
Posted By: Michael Barzini

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/18/02 04:37 AM

Actually It was Fredo who killed the heads of the five families. Michael was just used as the figure head for the operation.
Posted By: Ricardo

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/18/02 04:44 AM

I don't know what book IbidPerez read but.....

SPOILER

Moe Greene was murdered in 1952 by Al Neri. Al Neri murdered Emilio Barzini in 1955. Rocco Lampon emurdered Philip Tattaglia in 1955. A Corleone Button (Maybe Calo) murdered Fabrizzio in a Buffalo Restaurant in 1955. Peter Clemenza strangled Carlo Rizzi in 1955. Sal tessio was killed in 1955.

Ottilio (Carmine) Cuneo and Anthony (Victor) Stracci lived through the book!
Posted By: ibidperez

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/19/02 02:21 AM

what i meant was... michael was responsible for these killings. he ordered them
Posted By: Boss_of_bosses

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/19/02 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by Ricardo:
I don't know what book IbidPerez read but.....

SPOILER

Moe Greene was murdered in 1952 by Al Neri. Al Neri murdered Emilio Barzini in 1955. Rocco Lampon murdered Philip Tattaglia in 1955. A Corleone Button (Maybe Calo) murdered Fabrizzio in a Buffalo Restaurant in 1955. Peter Clemenza strangled Carlo Rizzi in 1955. Sal tessio was killed in 1955.

Ottilio (Carmine) Cuneo and Anthony (Victor) Stracci lived through the book!

Thanks. Somehow my Intincts tell me you're right the most here. I will get the novel. But let me say that it would be wise for Carmine Cuneo and Victor Stracci to avenge their fallen comrades. Why didn't they do so? Or they really had no grudge agaisnt the Corleones like Barzini and Tattallia did?
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/20/02 03:21 PM

In the novel, Moe Green was killed before the Day When Michael Settled All Family Business. The Don was still alive. In fact, the novel strongly implies that the Don gave the order to have Moe killed. After Michael returns from Vegas without an agreement from Moe, he meets with the Don and the caporegimes.. Michael proposes that the Family make Moe "an offer he can't refuse." Tessio says that if Moe wanted to talk to the Don, Michael should have let him. But the Don says, "I've retired. Michael would lose respect if I interfered. And besides, that's a man I'd rather not talk to." Tessio then realizes that Moe Green is a dead man.
As Ricardo said, Cuneo and Stracchi survived the later,post-Don, Michael-ordered massacre that took the lives of Barzini, Tattaglia, Tessio, Fabrizzio and Carlo.
Posted By: Ricardo

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/20/02 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by Boss_of_bosses:


Thanks. Somehow my Intincts tell me you're right the most here. I will get the novel. But let me say that it would be wise for Carmine Cuneo and Victor Stracci to avenge their fallen comrades. Why didn't they do so? Or they really had no grudge agaisnt the Corleones like Barzini and Tattallia did?[/QB][/QUOTE]

Probably becaus the ebook ends like a week after the Killings (They would have fought back alongside the Rosatos in GF2 if FFC hadn't killed them off!)

Also, Moe greene ISN'T shot in the eye in Novel, but machine-gunned by Neri in an elevator (Sound familiar) in 1953.

Vito IS Still alive.

But Mike already knew that Moe would be killed, becaus ehe told neri to remember Moe before they even LEFT the meeting, and Neri said he had Moe greene mugged and numbered "up here", pointing at his head
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/21/02 05:21 AM

'Tis true, Ricardo, that Michael asked Neri if he'd remember Moe, implying that Michael was getting ready to have him whacked. Though Michael did say he wanted to make Moe an offer he wouldn't refuse (even after the Vegas failure),I guess you could conclude that Michael ok'd the hit on Moe after his father refused to consider talking to him.
FYI: Moe was shot to death at the home of his Hollywood mistress (shades of Bugsy Siegel!). Neri disappeared for a month, returned deeply tanned, and Michael gave him some kind words and the living off of a particularly lucrative East Side book.
Posted By: Ricardo

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/21/02 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Turnbull:

FYI: Moe was shot to death at the home of his Hollywood mistress (shades of Bugsy Siegel!). Neri disappeared for a month, returned deeply tanned, and Michael gave him some kind words and the living off of a particularly lucrative East Side book.
Oh yeah, that's when Neri went to Miami and stayed with Batista?
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Godfather novel question - 05/21/02 10:58 PM

Neri went to Miami but no mention was made of Batista. Batista was in self-imposed exile in Miami until 1952, when he staged a coup in Cuba and returned to power.
Posted By: Machiavelli

Re: Godfather novel question - 07/03/02 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by Ricardo:
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Originally posted by Boss_of_bosses:
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Thanks. Somehow my Intincts tell me you're right the most here. I will get the novel. But let me say that it would be wise for Carmine Cuneo and Victor Stracci to avenge their fallen comrades. Why didn't they do so? Or they really had no grudge agaisnt the Corleones like Barzini and Tattallia did?[/b]
Probably becaus the ebook ends like a week after the Killings (They would have fought back alongside the Rosatos in GF2 if FFC hadn't killed them off!)

Also, Moe greene ISN'T shot in the eye in Novel, but machine-gunned by Neri in an elevator (Sound familiar) in 1953.

Vito IS Still alive.

But Mike already knew that Moe would be killed, becaus ehe told neri to remember Moe before they even LEFT the meeting, and Neri said he had Moe greene mugged and numbered "up here", pointing at his head[/QB][/QUOTE]

Turnbull is correct. Moe Greene was shot in the hollywood home of his mistress.
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