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Posted By: Sicilian Babe

I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:05 PM

Are there movies out there that you hate that everyone else seems to love?? There are several on my list, and I don't understand why they are considered great films, when I just don't like them.

Dancing With Wolves
Braveheart
The English Patient
Lord of the Rings

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Anyone else?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Lord of the Rings

uhwhat

Umm... it's only just one of the best epics of all time!! tongue
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:26 PM


The Pope of Greenwich Village comes to mind for me, though.
Posted By: VitoC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:28 PM

I'm not a big fan of Forrest Gump. Most people seem to think it's so inspiring, but I find it very depressing, although there are some good things there. I think The Shawshank Redemption, released the same year as Gump (1994), is infinitely more inspiring and definitely should have won Best Picture instead of Gump getting it.

By the way, it's "Dances with Wolves" not "Dancing with Wolves."
Posted By: Don Sicilia

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:35 PM

Chicago and The Wizard of Oz are on my list.
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:35 PM

i never did care for the godfather, the godfather part II, and goodfellas.
























also too i am joking lol
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:39 PM


Star Wars
English Patient
Space Odyssey 2001
Pulp Fiction

That's only a few. I know there's more, but I'm drawing a blank. ohwell


TIS
Posted By: Don Sicilia

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:41 PM

Let me add Lost in Translation and Sideways to my list. These, I actually liked, but the hype and fanfare that developed after awhile made me like the movies less.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff

The Pope of Greenwich Village comes to mind for me, though.


Blaspehemy!

Spoken like a true nerd from Joisey tongue.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 10:55 PM

From Seinfeld:

CAROL: Elaine. Elaine, did you just see The English Patient?

GAIL: (tearful) Didn't you love it?

LISA: How could you not love that movie?

ELAINE: How about, it sucked?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/18/10 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Spoken like a true nerd from Joisey tongue.


Coming from The Poop of Greenwich Village? tongue
Posted By: SC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 12:10 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: J Geoff
The Pope of Greenwich Village comes to mind for me, though.

Blaspehemy!

Spoken like a true nerd from Joisey .


I have to agree. PLUS "Lord of the Rings" gets such a high rating confused

Geoff's saving grace is that he likes "The Godfather". I think he does, anyway.
Posted By: Lilo

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 01:26 AM

"You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him."

or
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. You cannot pass."

Any movie (LOTR) that has lines like that I HAVE to love.. lol It was one of my favorite books growing up and I thought PJ did a great job with the movie.

I don't know about "hate" but "Titanic" never really appealed.
I didn't like Coppola's "Dracula". I have no interest in seeing "Avatar" so I don't know if I would hate it or not but likely..
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Don Sicilia
Let me add Lost in Translation and Sideways to my list. These, I actually liked, but the hype and fanfare that developed after awhile made me like the movies less.


Exactly! As for Titanic, I liked it in the theaters, but it doesn't stand up to repeated viewings (although my niece will disagree). And Pope of Greenwich Village? LOVE that movie!

As for LOTR, I think you're either a Tolkien person or you're not. I am not. Just like I never loved the whole Star Trek thing. Star WARS on the other hand, I love.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 02:18 AM

Although not a bad movie, I think The Sound Of Music was way over rated. And, how to you explain those movies that simply don't interest you? For me Any LOTR, Forrest Gump, and Avater to name a few that I am not interested in seeing. ohwell

Btw, I loved Titanic. I can't say I see it a lot (it's been years) but it is one of my favorites.


TIS
Posted By: BAM_233

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Although not a bad movie, I think The Sound Of Music was way over rated. And, how to you explain those movies that simply don't interest you? For me Any LOTR, Forrest Gump, and Avater to name a few that I am not interested in seeing. ohwell

Btw, I loved Titanic. I can't say I see it a lot (it's been years) but it is one of my favorites.


TIS


how is the sound of music over rated?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 02:36 AM

Geez, it won upteen awards, it was played and replayed in the theaters and for a while on tv constantly. The acting was good but not anything wonderful IMHO (I think Julie Andrews won award). It's a matter of opinion of course, but I saw it once, it was good, but once is enough for me. I had a friend in high school who saw it about 30 times. She absolutely loved it. I never was that into it. ohwell

TIS
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 02:41 AM

I was that kind of Sound of Music person. I've seen it dozens of times. I loved it. It's now a bit dated, though.

Edit: One musical I never liked that everyone seems to love is "South Pacific".
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 02:49 AM

I think I only saw SOM maybe twice. My friend that saw it so much, was so inspired that she became a nun. eek Our senior song was "Climb Every Mountain" (which is not a bad song).

My parents loved South Pacific. I forgot who the male singer (or voice of) was, but they liked his voice. I believe they have the soundtrack too (Bloody Mary, Gonna Wash That Man Right Out Of My Hair). Some fun songs.


TIS
Posted By: Mignon

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 03:23 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Lord of the Rings

uhwhat

Umm... it's only just one of the best epics of all time!! tongue


I fell asleep in the theater when I seen it.
Posted By: ginaitaliangirl

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 04:15 AM

PB, I was waiting on someone to reference that Seinfeld episode. smile

I was always opposed to Sound of Music because my mom would go on and on about how beautiful it is and how she loved it since she was young, etc. She got me to watch it when I was little, and I took to rolling my eyes and teasing her in the years to follow. I bought it for her on DVD awhile back, and we watched it...and I fell in love with it. I can't even deny it now, I just think it's a beautiful story - romantic and dramatic, and cute. She thinks I'm weird, though, because my favorite song is the Lonely Goatherd.

As for Lord of the Rings, I've only seen the first one, which I think I only watched for Orlando Bloom...sorry, Geoff!
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 04:23 AM

Gina, when my husband was a kid, he took a family vacation to Vermont and actually met Maria Von Trapp! I remember seeing Sound of Music when I was a little girl, and I was shocked to find out later that it was based on a true story, that Maria was a real person! And how beautiful is the scenery?

I always loved Edelweiss, but the Lonely Goatherd is SO much fun!
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 06:11 AM


Maybe judgement for LOTR should be saved for those who've actually SEEN the entire film (all 3 parts -- they're not sequels, it's one film) tongue wink
Posted By: SC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 07:02 AM

Originally Posted By: J Geoff
Maybe judgement for LOTR should be saved for those who've actually SEEN the entire film (all 3 parts -- they're not sequels, it's one film)


Geez, pb was right. You really are a nerd.

I saw all three, fwiw. (I read all the Tolkien books as a kid). It's a good story but I just couldn't get into the movies.
Posted By: goombah

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 01:30 PM

The following films do nothing for me:

Forrest Gump
Pulp Fiction
Leaving Las Vegas
The Stars Wars films from the 1990s and the 2000s
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 02:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Are there movies out there that you hate that everyone else seems to love?? There are several on my list, and I don't understand why they are considered great films, when I just don't like them.

Dancing With Wolves
Braveheart
The English Patient
Lord of the Rings

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Anyone else?




WEll SB you & I don't agree on much but on those 4 movies we agree. I would also like to add

Titanic
The Dark Knight
Posted By: Don Sicilia

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 03:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
As for LOTR, I think you're either a Tolkien person or you're not.


Tolkien guy here... Didn't want my buddy JG to fight the good fight all by himself. For me, the LOTR trilogy is one of the best ones ever.

Sound of Music is one of my and my wife's favorites. Simple, easy to watch and very enjoyable.
Posted By: SC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Don Sicilia
Tolkien guy here... Didn't want my buddy JG to fight the good fight all by himself. For me, the LOTR trilogy is one of the best ones ever.


Chicago nerd!
Posted By: Don Sicilia

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By: SC
Originally Posted By: Don Sicilia
Tolkien guy here... Didn't want my buddy JG to fight the good fight all by himself. For me, the LOTR trilogy is one of the best ones ever.


Chicago nerd!


Posted By: SC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 05:14 PM

lol clap
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 05:22 PM

Did I do that?

Posted By: VitoC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 05:59 PM

Originally Posted By: The Iceman
Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Are there movies out there that you hate that everyone else seems to love?? There are several on my list, and I don't understand why they are considered great films, when I just don't like them.

Dancing With Wolves
Braveheart
The English Patient
Lord of the Rings

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Anyone else?



WEll SB you & I don't agree on much but on those 4 movies we agree. I would also like to add

Titanic
The Dark Knight


It's true that Titanic does have some flaws. A few of the lines are downright cringeworthy, and the differences between rich and poor people are exaggerated, with the poor ones seemingly all good natured and fun loving while almost all the rich are the opposite (at least that's what the contrast between their respective party scenes suggests). Also, given that the water was so cold outside the ship, it's questionable whether Jack and Rose could go through pools of water on the ship as easily as they did. But on balance, it's still an excellent movie, IMHO. And I don't just mean the second half, I mean the entire movie. The film pulls you in at the very beginning and holds your interest until the end--one of the key marks of a great movie. All the emotions of a lifetime--adolescent angst, romance and sexual passion, grief over losing a loved one, etc.--are compressed into 3 hours and 15 minutes. And unlike many others, I didn't think the love story was ridiculous. I actually found it very compelling. Titanic is one of my favorite movies.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 06:45 PM

The part that I found unrealistic is that she would jump out of a lifeboat to save this guy that she met three days ago. The survival instinct is very strong, and that part just didn't compute for me. Of course, it was a LOVE story, so there you go, you have to suspend belief.

I did find the re-creation of the boat and the clothes and all of that to be nothing short of spectacular. And the characters that were based on actual people, such as the Strauses and Bruce Ismay, were quite realistically portrayed.
Posted By: VitoC

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 06:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
The part that I found unrealistic is that she would jump out of a lifeboat to save this guy that she met three days ago. The survival instinct is very strong, and that part just didn't compute for me. Of course, it was a LOVE story, so there you go, you have to suspend belief.


There have been cases (during the Holocaust, for example) where people risked their lives to save complete strangers.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 07:03 PM

I hated "Titanic." I applauded when the fucking boat sank lol.

And Seinfeld and George were right. That old lady was a liar, and a bit of a tramp whistle.
Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/19/10 09:27 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
That old lady was a liar, and a bit of a tramp whistle.


Don't forget "jewel thief". lol
Posted By: ginaitaliangirl

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/21/10 04:18 AM

For all of you who do "get" Forrest Gump, it's on every day this week on AMC. Twice each day. lol Sure, it's overkill, but that's my thing with movies. smile

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Gina, when my husband was a kid, he took a family vacation to Vermont and actually met Maria Von Trapp! I remember seeing Sound of Music when I was a little girl, and I was shocked to find out later that it was based on a true story, that Maria was a real person! And how beautiful is the scenery?

I always loved Edelweiss, but the Lonely Goatherd is SO much fun!
Wow, how/where did Mr. Babe meet her? Was it something official, or he recognized her?

The scenery is wonderful, indeed. And Edelweiss is a beautiful song. I love the looks that are exchanged in the scene where Christopher Plummer sings it and plays guitar!
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/22/10 05:59 PM

Alien for me was over-rated. I loved Pulp Fiction the first couple of time i saw it but i went right off it for some reason.(great soundtrack though)
Posted By: Longneck

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/22/10 06:34 PM

I've no interest in Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, Star Wars, Star Trek, and so on
Posted By: Yogi Barrabbas

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/23/10 03:20 PM

The English Patient definitely. Overblown tosh!!

1984 springs to mind. Overblown bollocks!!
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/23/10 10:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Longneck
I've no interest in Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Avatar, Star Wars, Star Trek, and so on


I agree with you on the first 3 and partly on the last one.
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/23/10 11:08 PM

Schindler's List is pretty problematic.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/23/10 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Schindler's List is pretty problematic.


How so?
Posted By: Longneck

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/24/10 03:49 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
Schindler's List is pretty problematic.


How so?


Long winded response with lots of big words to show how intelligent I am.

[/capo]
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: I Don't Get It - 02/24/10 09:59 PM

Haha, you won't find many "big" words in this post. I think the longest is "sensationalism", and the most obscure may be "kitsch". Whatever, I wrote this in May last year...

Firstly, the Holocaust by its very nature resists and denies sensationalism. It's a unique event because of the historical factors that led up to it, and yet it's not aberrant because the Final Solution might be seen as the attempted conclusion to a long history of global anti-Semitism. Spielberg's film ignores these issues; in it, the reality of the Holocaust is not even a subtext, but a mere backdrop to its individual-character story. If you'll forgive the poetic wording, I'd call it a pornographic film before a period film. There are historically accurate details of course, but these are only to combat easier accusations of exploitation.

Schindler's List is guilty of kitsch. Its sentimentality dwarfs everything else. The aesthetic decisions - the black-and-white cinematography and the four moments of colour - are badly judged: why film it in black-and-white? Is it a question of blurring morality, of making traditional notions of "good" and "evil" problematic? It might seem so, in the fact that Schindler's initial reaction to the genocide is frustration at his factory being empty (and thus losing money) and not at the killing of fellow humans; but we're asked to side with Schindler, ultimately, not because of his "good" but because of the insistent juxaposition against "evil" - Goeth.

Is it, then, a question of distinguishing dramatic moments? It opens with colour flame of the Sabbath, which de-colourises as it burns out - an aesthetic representation of the distinction of the Jews? Maybe, but then why undercut it with text describing the financial measures Schindler took to save the Jews ("his Jews", the film reminds us)? Spielberg shifts the focus from the unspeakable death of millions to the few that survived. Not only this, but we're told (from the start and throughout) that they survived because of Schindler. That's right: all survivors in this film are related in some way to Schindler, and the title alone elevates him beyond banal altruism. He's a hero, despite being roused to heroism in the first place due to monetary concerns. What's Spielberg trying to tell us here?

More famously, the girl in the red dress... it's a (dis?)quieting moment in a furiously violent scene that we see this girl, but Spielberg insults his audience by pointing out her visual presence through colour. Not only is this cheap, but when we see her corpse later in the film, the tone and perspective shift once more, after Spielberg has lingered long enough (though not long enough) for us to remind ourselves that people actually died during this horrific event, back to the Schindler Jews.

Also, if we come back to the initial scene of the candles, and how their colour burns out (and with it, the Jewish faith...?), why does Spielberg conclude his film with colour images of the present-day Jews? (We needn't ask why they stage a memorial service to Schindler; the film's named after him, so they must!) There's an implication of happiness there. And happy they may be, of course, but the tone is equally uplifting and relieving for the audience. They've sat through some violent and upsetting scenes, and now here's their reward... the suggestion of hope. This is all fine and swell, of course, but a) it's played out for people's emotional benefit, at the expense of actual intellectual and historical benefit; b) it's a fatally limited and narrowing perspective of the Holocaust. Schindler "saved" 1,100 lives and we celebrate; we've little time to mourn the six million destroyed. That Spielberg ends the film with a dedication to the latter means very little; the preceding narrative has been so focused on (and named after) the individual arc of its Nazi-turned-selfless-Saviour, that we're not compelled to explore the historical reasons behind this mass horror, nor the moral/ethical questions of representing it.

No: Spielberg takes for granted that a fantasy film parading as a historical film can be enjoyed and not questioned. Lamentably, he's right. He takes it upon himself to re-create the unspeakable horror of the Holocaust through a shamelessly fictionalised account that demands that we see events not through the eyes of the victims nor even the survivors, but the man who came to save them. This isn't necessarily objectionable, but for the fact of the fantastical heroism with which Schindler is presented. He's mythical from the outset. The way Spielberg exposits him, visually, from behind (I think) and through cigarette smoke (and the way in which Neeson carries himself as an actor), gives an air of mysticism not dissimilar to Coppola's exposition of Don Corleone. We're drawn in immediately to the character, to the individual, and how he might come eventually to save a very, very small portion of the Jews. At best, the focus is a curious one. Curious because of the inevitable neglect of the wider reality, and because with it, the audience may view these events with neither guilt nor genuine sorrow.
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/02/10 06:27 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Geez, it won upteen awards, it was played and replayed in the theaters and for a while on tv constantly. The acting was good but not anything wonderful IMHO (I think Julie Andrews won award)...


Julie Andrews did win a Best Actress Oscar, but it was for her role in 'Mary Poppins', the year before. She may have been nominated for 'The Sound of Music', but did not win.

Aside from the Best Picture of 1965 (and possibly Best Director - Robert Wise), I do not think TSOM won very many Academy Awards. Definitely not in the 'upteen' category.

However, they do seem to treat it as a 'classic' and give it special showings on ABC Family Channel, etc. usually during the holidays. I don't 'dislike' it but it is a bit schmaltzy and personally, as a Catholic, I can never get past that ridiculous moment where the Mother Superior actually 'blesses' Maria prior to her wedding. Most everybody knows that NUNS cannot bless anything, only PRIESTS have that ability.

Artistic license, I know. Still though, it drives me batty.

I do agree that The Lonely Goatherd is a blast and I also enjoy Do Re Me production number; after those two I'm ready to move on to another program.

Apple
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/02/10 11:04 PM

Well, actually SOM won 5 awards and 4 nominations. Not too bad. wink

Oh, and this doesn't include any Golden Globe or Director's Guild's awards and such.


TIS

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800119695/awards
Posted By: olivant

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/03/10 12:06 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
... as a Catholic, I can never get past that ridiculous moment where the Mother Superior actually 'blesses' Maria prior to her wedding. Most everybody knows that NUNS cannot bless anything, only PRIESTS have that ability.



What do you mean? I can't count the number of times the nuns blessed my knuckles with a ruler.
Posted By: Frank_Nitti

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/03/10 01:05 AM

...I don't get how SOM is NOT included on the list of "stuff white people like." lol ;))
Posted By: AppleOnYa

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/03/10 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
Well, actually SOM won 5 awards and 4 nominations. Not too bad. ...


Not too bad at all! And TSOM deserved every one!

However, when considering films like Gone With The Wind, Ben Hur, West Side Story, The Godfather, Titanic etc. each of which won 10 or 11 Oscars alone, the word 'upteen' for 5 Academy and a few other awards doesn't quite fit.

wink
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/03/10 07:45 AM

Originally Posted By: AppleOnYa
Most everybody knows that NUNS cannot bless anything, only PRIESTS have that ability.

And all along I thought God blessed people, not priests either. After all, priests say, "May God bless you in the name of the...." -- I've never heard a priest say, "I bless you". Anyone can say "God bless you" (especially after a sneeze) wink
Posted By: olivant

Re: I Don't Get It - 03/04/10 12:06 AM

From New Advent:

"Coming, then, to its strictly liturgical and restricted sense, blessing may be described as a rite, consisting of a ceremony and prayers performed in the name and with the authority of the Church by a duly qualified minister, by which persons or things are sanctified as dedicated to Divine service, or by which certain marks of Divine favour are invoked upon them."
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