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Why didn't Junior back Richie?

Posted By: Mr_Willie_Cicci

Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/05/13 01:33 AM

After Larry Barese backs out of Richie's idea to whack Tony, why didn't Junior have someone go and assure Larry that Richie had his support? Or better yet, let Richie kill Tony, then have Richie whacked and re-establish control using one of his supporters (for example Patsy Parisi) as Acting Boss?
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/05/13 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Mr_Willie_Cicci
After Larry Barese backs out of Richie's idea to whack Tony, why didn't Junior have someone go and assure Larry that Richie had his support? Or better yet, let Richie kill Tony, then have Richie whacked and re-establish control using one of his supporters (for example Patsy Parisi) as Acting Boss?



Junior answers your question. He says Richie couldn't sell it, he's not respected he flat out says he's better off with Tony. I remember that scene well because of Bobbys hilarious respone to the question what are you looking at? ''i'm in awe of you'' lol
Posted By: vinnietoothpicks26

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/05/13 01:50 AM

I dont think he had the stomache, the muscle or time for an all out war. He was under house arrest, the feds were "so far (his) ass he could taste brill cream", alot of his guys were with Tony , and those who werent didn't stack up to Tony's support level. Furthermore, he wasn't doing well health wise. He was just over it I think at that point. He tried, he lost, he rolled over and died.
Posted By: BarrettM

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/07/13 05:18 PM

This was my favorite scene in the series. When Junior realized he was better off with Tony, who he at times flat out hated. It's like any other mafia affair. If Richie didn't have the support of the captains, how could he be a boss?
Posted By: waynethegame

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/08/13 02:25 AM

Simply put, because if he had backed Richie he wouldn't have any Family to be the Boss of. Everyone else regarded Richie as a punk, pretty much, because while he was a made guy and did his time in prison he had no respect for what had changed and kept trying to ride Jackie's legacy as the reason why he should be given everything on a silver plate.

The fact he couldn't get any support just sealed the deal. Junior made the smart, and correct, move: Tony had respect, people liked him for the most part. He could keep things running. If he had backed Richie, not only would there have been a war but there wouldn't have been anything left after the smoke cleared.
Posted By: DE NIRO

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/08/13 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: Mr_Willie_Cicci
After Larry Barese backs out of Richie's idea to whack Tony, why didn't Junior have someone go and assure Larry that Richie had his support? Or better yet, let Richie kill Tony, then have Richie whacked and re-establish control using one of his supporters (for example Patsy Parisi) as Acting Boss?



Junior answers your question. He says Richie couldn't sell it, he's not respected he flat out says he's better off with Tony. I remember that scene well because of Bobbys hilarious respone to the question what are you looking at? ''i'm in awe of you'' lol


One of the best scenes in the whole series..
Posted By: KingofNewYork

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/12/13 11:24 PM

Why go through all the trouble of propping a guy up when he knew Tony would take care of him to the end.
Posted By: cookcounty

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/27/13 02:05 AM

Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: Mr_Willie_Cicci
After Larry Barese backs out of Richie's idea to whack Tony, why didn't Junior have someone go and assure Larry that Richie had his support? Or better yet, let Richie kill Tony, then have Richie whacked and re-establish control using one of his supporters (for example Patsy Parisi) as Acting Boss?



Junior answers your question. He says Richie couldn't sell it, he's not respected he flat out says he's better off with Tony. I remember that scene well because of Bobbys hilarious respone to the question what are you looking at? ''i'm in awe of you'' lol



actually he called Richie a fucking loser
Posted By: goombah

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/28/13 03:30 PM

Another point to consider is that Junior had previously tried to whack Tony in the first season, with Livia's blessing. With one failed attempt, Junior was wise enough to know that a second failed attempt would mean Junior's own death.

Plus I think Junior saw Richie's flaws and weighed them against Tony's flaws. Junior correctly assessed that Richie's flaws were greater and that Tony was a more profitable partner.
Posted By: Camarel

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/28/13 06:29 PM

Originally Posted By: cookcounty
Originally Posted By: Camarel
Originally Posted By: Mr_Willie_Cicci
After Larry Barese backs out of Richie's idea to whack Tony, why didn't Junior have someone go and assure Larry that Richie had his support? Or better yet, let Richie kill Tony, then have Richie whacked and re-establish control using one of his supporters (for example Patsy Parisi) as Acting Boss?



Junior answers your question. He says Richie couldn't sell it, he's not respected he flat out says he's better off with Tony. I remember that scene well because of Bobbys hilarious respone to the question what are you looking at? ''i'm in awe of you'' lol



actually he called Richie a fucking loser


Your right, he more or less says that under his breath though.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 04/15/14 03:12 AM

That is one of the funniest and epic scene in the series for me. Junior has no choice but to back up Tony instead, as Richie did not have anything going in his favor.
Posted By: slumpy

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 04/15/14 12:11 PM

My impression was that Richie was trying to back Junior, rather than the other way around. As in, he was looking to make Junior boss, not himself.
Posted By: afriendofours

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 04/15/14 03:59 PM

Richie didn't have the support or the respect by this point, they realized they were better of with Tony in the end, so did Junior.
Posted By: waynethegame

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 04/15/14 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: slumpy
My impression was that Richie was trying to back Junior, rather than the other way around. As in, he was looking to make Junior boss, not himself.


He was looking to whack Tony and (presumably) take his place as Underboss/Street Boss. Junior was already boss (although Tony had the real power). He wanted Junior to back *him* with letting him hit Tony, and the entire issue came from the fact that nobody would have respected Richie enough to accept him, and it would have basically resulted in a civil war.
Posted By: Giacomo_Vacari

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 04/15/14 06:50 PM

Slumpy, Richie wanted Juniors go ahead with killing Tony, but needed the backing of at least the Barese crew for Junior to give the OK. When Richie could not get the Barese crew on board, Junior had no choice but to side with his nephew and keep Tony alive. Chianses played the emotion of Junior very well in the doctors office when he realized he is better off with Tony as BerrettM had said, but Richie was not trying to become the boss, he just wanted to kill Tony.
Posted By: mldetroit

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/05/14 11:14 PM

There were only two options that Junior had. (1) Use Richie to whack Tony even though nobody else in the family supported this move, and just hope it turns out alright in the end (hope the captains decide to keep Junior as boss - when those captains may in fact decide to whack Junior for whacking Tony as this would have been an unjustified murder).
(2) Rat on Richie to Tony (This allows Tony to begin trusting Junior again. And, Tony immediately increases the amount of money Junior makes every week so he sees immediate benefits.)

He decided...it was a safer play to go with #2.
Posted By: Lou_Para

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/06/14 09:09 PM

Junior's plot to let Richie take over puts me in mind of Paul Castellano in several ways.

1)Junior planned to let Richie become Boss,while Junior could still be the real Boss,sit back,stay out of the spotlight,and collect money. Just like Castellano holing up at his White House.The fact that he thought that any of the Capos would back Aprile shows how out of it he was.

2)Junior was so out of touch with the street that he thought the guys would fall in line out of fear of Richie,just like Big Paulie naming Billoti as his Underboss. He had no idea that the Capos considered him a lugheaded scumbag.

Just like Paul underestimated Gotti,Junior underestimated Paulie and Silvio.Before Janice killed him,Sil had already advised Tony to kill Richie.

If by some chance Richie was able to get rid of Tony,the next move would be Paulie Walnuts putting Richie and Junior to sleep.
Posted By: Malandrino

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/07/14 07:05 AM

Without the Barese crew, Junior didn't have the muscle or support to do anything. Even if Richie was able to pop Tony, things would most likely get fucked up and there would be a civil war in the family. I can't imagine Paulie, Chris or Silvio falling back in line and taking orders from Richie or Junior.
Posted By: NinoBrown

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/08/14 01:54 AM

Richie simply wasn't respected or liked by any of the Capos or Soldiers in the family. Only idiots seemed to show allegiance to Richie, (Jackie Jr., Dino, Sean Gismonte, and Matthew).

He was a loose cannon and making Beansie (a well-respected and well-liked store front) into a paraplegic didn't really help matters either.
Posted By: waynethegame

Re: Why didn't Junior back Richie? - 06/08/14 08:04 AM

Originally Posted By: NinoBrown
Richie simply wasn't respected or liked by any of the Capos or Soldiers in the family. Only idiots seemed to show allegiance to Richie, (Jackie Jr., Dino, Sean Gismonte, and Matthew).

He was a loose cannon and making Beansie (a well-respected and well-liked store front) into a paraplegic didn't really help matters either.


Precisely. Junior was a crafty old bastard, he knew better than to back somebody like Richie that nobody respected. Imagine what would have happened if he did back Richie:

Richie whacks Tony, and then what? Was he planning on magically stepping in to become Street Boss? Paulie and Silvio are still around (and Pussy too but he's a rat), so Richie is highly likely to get whacked himself in short order or maybe even get caught for the murder if Pussy let the FBI know to look into it (not that I think he would, since he'd likely want to whack Richie, but still it'd be an option). It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Richie wasn't smart enough to plan this on his own so had to have somebody backing him, and the obvious person would be Junior. So Junior has just started a civil war with what little he has (if he even has anything besides Bobby) versus Paulie/Silvio and the remaining Soprano crew. Barese is a pussy so would likely back the Soprano crew too. So Junior has nothing and is likely whacked and the empire crumbles, either being reformed under Silvio or Paulie or getting swept up into New York (and, with Tony dead, it's debatable if Pussy would have been found out as a rat). Honestly, interesting things could have come from such a scenario, but it wouldn't be the Sopranos that we all know and love smile

So yeah... there's no way he could have backed Richie. It would have been disastrous for everybody. Richie might have been a stone cold gangster but demanded respect for things from 15 years ago and just stepped on everybody's toes while tossing around his brother's name as justification, ironically in a similar way to his nephew Jackie Jr. (must run in the family or something).
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