So: Did Tony die?

What do you feel? Was Tony whacked in the final scene? What are your views? Let's discuss this =)

Absolutely, I think this is exactly what happened - "It all goes to black", that's what they discuss with Bobby on the boat, about what happens when you die. There was a guy in the restaurant, who walked in the toilet, behind Tony, that guy was a nephiew I think to some guy Tony whacked. So after all this, I think Tony died, the guy from the toilet shot Tony, and all go to black. There was no gunshot sound, because the bullet is faster than the speed of sound, so Tony didn't heard it.

I took it a different way after much thought, what i put together was that no matter what Tony was fucked in due time especially with Carlo flipping, it was only a matter or time before he was either whacked or sent to prison.

Joe I def agree with you a 100%

Season six did a lot of dropping guns in mob hits like Michael corleone did. And this is a perfect example. The guy goes in to the toilets like corleone did and comes back out and shoot tony in the back of the head and drops the gun and walk outs

My fav is when Gene drops the gun after shooting the guy in Boston.

I think Tony's fate is worse than death. He will go to jail with carlo flipping. We all know Tony cant cope/survive with jailtime. unlike guys like pil and feech who did 20 years like it was nothing

If he didn't die, he was going to live a Hell on earth existence, that's for sure. With Carlo flipping, life in prison was an almost certainty.

What I don't get is that in the beginning of season six we see Tony barely survive a gun shot wound in the stomach after being in a coma only to be killed at the end.

He was basically given a second chance, by surviving nearly the impossible, basically given a second chance to reform, change, etc. But he didn't, and in doing so, pissed away his second chance/redemption and sealed his fate.

It's like Vincent in Pulp Fiction. Jules believes that them surviving being shot was a miracle, divine inspiration from God basically a warning, and retires from the gangster life. Vincent doesn't, dismisses God, fate all as chance or luck, stays in the game and gets killed within two days after by Butch.

What was in the briefcase?

That's interesting. I never thought that's his second chance. He blew it away. I think you are absolutely correct. He should've retired. (P.s. how is the past form of should? I think I didn't write it down correct?)

Tony is probably my least favorite character so i was rooting for him to die but when i thought about it jail is much worse for Tony because of his mental issues and the fact that he will be all by himself in prison

I think it was truly left open for interpretation. I like the POV idea of the viewer getting whacked, thus ending the viewer's relationship to the show.

It was symbolic of all he had left of an identity that he would use to hopefully recover his real identity, to hopefully use to get back his life. Symbolic of how his identity was taken from him, of how he was losing his life.

I think that second change theory isn't a plausible one as every knew Tony was up his neck in the mob and as a boss couldn't just walk away from it. Couldn't and wouldn't.

It's like God giving a guy without two legs an extra arm so he has a change to walk again. Doesn't make much sense.

The guy getting a gun from the bathroom doesnt make sense. He was not frisked when he came in. Why would he need to have the gun hidden then?

I'm thinking the guy needed a place to aim good at tony without been seen and then get out quickly the bathroom is perfect

Yep. By the time the soundwaves reached his eardrums, Tony's brain had already been blasted into oatmeal by the bullet.

It could very well be just a troll. Although it seems that Tony would be clipped, I'm not fully convinced. And it doesn't really matter that much anyway as the Sopranos has ended years ago.

But if NY was going to whack Tony, don't you think they'd do it when he wasn't with his family? Wasn't that an unwritten rule? I know the NJ family whacked Phil in front of his family but do you think NY would retaliate in the same fashion if it was forbidden.

I didn't understand the scene with Meadow with this car parking so many times, why was that necessary?

Simply to build up the suspense. It worked.

I think specifically over the chance of Meadow being shot.

What people overlook is the fact that Meadows failure at parking the car actually gave the ending away in a suttle manner. Meadow could not park the car the first two times she tried and eventually got it right the third time.

Tony was nearly killed in Season one and six which is twice and him getting killed in the diner would make it third time lucky, which like Meadows car problems is a hidden clue. David Chase was genius when coming up with this concept.

She was parking her car and failed then on the third attempt she was succesful.
There were 2 attempts on Tony's life. I'm guessing the third attempt on his life ended the entire show.

Interesting interpretation. Especially when you throw in Junior's obsession with finding out who else has cancer--"These things always happen in threes."

Yep and also

Silvio Died
Bobby Died
and number 3...

Never understood the hoopla over the Sopranos ending, I was content with it, it just ended, I'm glad Chase didn't ruin it with some big hollywood ending shootout like what would of happened on crappy shows like NCIS etc.
Also no why would Tony of died? No one is after him at that point, everything is resolved with New York. What is pretty probable is that due to Carlo flipping he will be going away for a long time. Also the thing with Meadow someone mentioned that it built up suspense of her possibly being shot, well this would not happen in the current mafia, family are off limits, and a girl as hot as Meadow?? They wouldn't dare!.
Its like the Wire it just ended, things will go on, people need to stop looking for some sort of final result, it was pretty clever from Chase I thought.

It's a clear message by HBO to the American viewers of the end of this era, the era of greed and barbarism, politics and cars. It also carries the evangelic meaning of forgiveness, marriage, corn and misinterpretation.

In the Polish calendar, the day when the final episode aired was known as the day of "the Hog" (animal that clearly resembles Tony), which celebrates the dead ones and it's when locals eat "Pierscienie Smazonymi Cebuli", a sort of dish similar to onion rings.
The elder of the family has to eat a total of 86 cebulis (just like the total number of episodes in the series) in not less than 58 minutes (like the airing time of Made In America), to prevent the dead ones to rise and haunt the living.

For all of you who are still skeptical about this: if you read "Members Only" backwards, (the jacket worn by the possible hit man was a members only jacket), you'll be amazed: Ynlo Srebemem means The Fat Guy Will Get Shot in Kurdish.

Enough?