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Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males"

Posted By: ChrisY2J

Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 04/30/04 01:43 PM

A rumor involving his cousin puts Tony's relationship with Johnny Sack back on thin ice. Meanwhile, Meadow helps get her boyfriend Finn a job; AJ ponders a "maximum-security summer" at Casa Carmela; Melfi links Tony's current guilt to a past job; and Carmela learns that good legal help is hard to find. Don't miss an all new episode of the Sopranos, "Unidentified Black Males" this Sunday May 2nd at 9 PM ET.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 04/30/04 03:13 PM

The preview looked great but who can tell. Last weeks looked like a sleeper until the end when Tony B killed Joey. I found it funny that the car rolled over his foot.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 04/30/04 05:37 PM

yes, that didn't seem right that his foot could get run over, when his hand is extended while shooting his gun? he would have been arms length from the car with his foot. Oh Well.
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/01/04 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by fathersson:
yes, that didn't seem right that his foot could get run over, when his hand is extended while shooting his gun? he would have been arms length from the car with his foot. Oh Well.
After shooting Joey Peeps in the top of the head, he reached forward to point his gun closer to the prostitute, Heather. So that's how his foot got run over.

I agree, the previews look hot for this one. It looks like we see Joey's funeral, and that's where Johnny Sack is promising all sorts of revenge.
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:05 AM

Vito....how could you????????????????
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:07 AM

Holy shit! Now there is a real twist. ******! F-A-G-G-O-T! what a shock!

Great story line and a real good episode!

Everything except that Dr. Melfi crap at the end. To long and I am sick of her!
Posted By: Don Jasani

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:10 AM

yeah, that shit was disgusting...certainly the weirdest episode I've seen...I thought for a second that Finn was going to bone that chick Felicia, man the thong strap gets me going... I didn't think that Joey Peeps was that important and was wondering why Johnny Sack was so pissed...Not much of an episode in the final assessment I guess. Hopefully next week will be better.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by SC:
Vito....how could you????????????????
No kidding!!

Good episode! Felt sorry for poor Fenn, trying to be nice by paying for dinner then getting jumped on by Tony. Poor kid's gonna have a nervous breakdown if he ends up in the Soprano family.

Still not sure about Tony B, and if he's with Tony or not. Got a better sense of Tony's guilt after his session with Dr. Melfi. Looks like tension building on Chris' part against Tony B. as well (the previews).

Was wondering if, at the end that bear was gonna return while Tony was in the pool. All and all, I think a very good episode.

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by fathersson:

Everything except that Dr. Melfi crap at the end. To long and I am sick of her!
It was a good episode! That scene with Tony coming clean (about the unidentified black males) with Melfi was necessary, and it was good.

That scene with Vito coming clean....well, thats another story. :rolleyes:
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:14 AM

Did anyone notice the name of the actor who played the security guard? It was Joe something.

I guess that makes him Joe Blow.
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:18 AM

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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
Looks like tension building on Chris' part against Tony B. as well (the previews).
Chris is jealous of Tony B. (that line about Tony B. being the number 1 cousin now).

What was with Carmella crying at the end? Frustration?? Those weren't tears of joy, were they?
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:20 AM

I think she was happy for Meadow, but I'm thinking it's just a reminder to her marriage failing, and with Tony there in the pool, and her filing for divorce and unable to get a "good" lawyer, the tears just flowed. A woman's viewpoint anyway. :p


TIS

Btw, FS you are tired of Melfi, and although I do like the character, I wish Silvio would lose the "stupid" expression. It's getting old. :p
Posted By: Mardini

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:22 AM

I think this was a great episode. I don't understand how some people have a problem with the therapy sessions. I think of them as a window to Tony's secret world. We always learn something about Tony when he visits Dr. Melfi. I never thought Vito would do something like that. Yikes!
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:23 AM

Was Vito trying to pick him up or was he going to take him out and whack him?

Would he "take out" the bosses daughters boyfriend!
(play on words here- (TAKE OUT)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:25 AM

FS,

I was wondering the same thing. I think maybe he was taking him out to make sure he keeps his mouth shut (no play on words here) . Yet, after tonight's episode maybe he would put the "moves" on him, who knows?


TIS
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:26 AM

quote:
Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:

Btw, FS you are tired of Melfi, and although I do like the character, I wish Silvio would lose the "stupid" expression. It's getting old.
Posted By: Freddie C.

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:37 AM

"Peeps is his nickname!"

Funniest part of the season.
Posted By: fathersson

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:37 AM

Questions for next week!

Janice is coming back!

Finding Chris's hidden body- Put which one?

Who is Tony paying for to get the best?

Which guard is getting chased and who/ or what are they throwing in the water?


Oh, it looks like it is going to heat up here!
Posted By: raggingbull2003

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:46 AM

Excellent eppisode.

It introduced alot of things that I feel will led up to. And here is my hypothesis for the eppisodes to come before the end of the season. Johnny Sac gets concrete proof that it was Tony B who killed Joey. Bam Tony B is dead. Tony sides with Little Carmine, and Johnny Sac ends up dead. Also, Finn is gonna some how end up dead, whether it be by the hands of Tony, or Vito. If its Vito, then he will probably "blow" him away. (I tried)
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:53 AM

FS,

Could it possibly be that they find Ralphie's body (or part of it

RB, I sense this whole Vito "thing" will open up a whole bunch of play on words.

TIS
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
I sense this whole Vito "thing" will open up a whole bunch of play on words.
You think Vito will become the "head" of the Family??
Posted By: Krlea

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by Freddie C.:
"Peeps is his nickname!"

Funniest part of the season.
That was hysterical!! Just the way Tony was so mad. My husband and I kept repeating it over and over, it was so funny.
Posted By: The Iceman

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 05:09 AM

I didn't see that situation with Vito coming at all. It's a good thing I didn't have anything to eat, I would've lost it.


As for Meadow and her boyfriend Finn. Since they're engaged. If the wedding was to happen, I know who'd be wearing the pants in that family, and it wouldn't be Finn.
Posted By: Nick totoro

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by The Iceman:
I didn't see that situation with Vito coming at all.
No pun intended...

I thought it was nasty and unnecessary. It completely tore apart the episode for me. They could have started Finn's journey to the looney bin some other way. I thought they were doing just fine with Eugene and Little Paulie's tiff and being tempted by Felicia.

Nick
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 12:51 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
FS,

Could it possibly be that they find Ralphie's body (or part of it

RB, I sense this whole Vito "thing" will open up a whole bunch of play on words.

TIS
The body they were dumping in the water reminded me of a scene in season four when they tossed Ralphie. I have a feeling that is going to come back and bite Tony in the butt. They had to be kidding with Vito Spatifore. I figured Finn was going to catch Felicia with somebody or end up in bed with her causing further tension with Meadow. I wonder what they are thinking when they write these stories? First Aceveda on The Shield is forced into that position and now Vito on this show is doing this willingly. The best parts were with Johnny Sac at the funeral. The tension is building to somebody getting killed. Placing Tony B in charge of the casino could be the straw that broke the camel's back and Chris could wind up flipping on the whole crew when the show ends like Henry Hill did in Goodfellas.
Posted By: Daigo Mick Friend

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 01:27 PM

Great episode . It had a season one/two feel to it. When I saw the title I wondered what the heck is this one going to be about.

Unidentified Black Males

First Tony B blames these black males for his limp. Second these balck males get blamed for the fight at the construction site. Third is Tony's revelation at the end. Boy do these unidentified black males get around.

Poor Finn you felt his conflict when he was standing outside the porto john, Was Vito, comming on to him, just trying to be friends, or make him dissappear. The engagement is the safe move for Finn.

It should not be hard for Johnny Sac to find out that Tony is lying. Tony will go out of his way to protect Tony B this time.

Classic Melfi & Tony at the end.

Hope they keep this momentum going
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 02:00 PM

Two more minor observations:

Tony telling Melfi that Carm has never "been" with anyone else but him and how the "poor girl was starving for it" :rolleyes: Wait to see if he finds out about the counselor.

Meadow telling Fenn she has never seen any kind of violence as far as her dad's concerned. After some of the accusations she made against Tony in earlier seasons, I was curious to how much she knew about the family business. I assume she's heard things, and not seen them.

Also, Meadow's boyfriend's name?? Isn't it Fenn or is it Finn??? For some reason I didn't think he was Italian, because that sure isn't an Italian name, but he said his last name last night and he is Italian. Watch this timid shy young man end up whacking someone before the season ends.

TIS
Posted By: Cross De Lena

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 04:06 PM

So, is it Vito Spatafore or Vito Spitaftore?

I know - its a stretch, but it made me laugh.

Ciao.
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by fathersson:
******! F-A-G-G-O-T! what a shock!
Don't you think I censor words like that for a reason, FS? :rolleyes:

Anyway...

Can you imagine what Joseph Gannascoli's reaction was when he read this episode's script? "I gotta do what...???"
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
...young man end up whacking someone...
As in killing someone, or in Vito's sense?
Posted By: Knocc Out

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 04:37 PM

What happened with Vito? i didnt see the episode and i wanna be in on the joke
Posted By: Joeybats

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 04:40 PM

I think the only way to truly refer to Vito now is as....MEZZOFANOOK.
In other word Italian-american slang for half a ***
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 04:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Knocc Out:
What happened with Vito? i didnt see the episode and i wanna be in on the joke
It's no fun if you're told what happens, but if you need to know: here is the official episode summary {{{ALL SPOILERS}}}
Posted By: The Godfather

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 05:22 PM

God, this episode was great. I can feel the build up already!! It's gonna be one heck of a finale this year. If Vito is not blowing the security guard, its the best episode of season. What is David Chase thinking with that crap.
Posted By: raggingbull2003

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 08:24 PM

I for one thought Vito's new hobby was a great and humorous turn of events. Are we really that disgusted, that we cant handle a little homo sexual filatio?
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 08:29 PM

It doesn't bother me -- I think it's pretty damn funny. I'm surprised his site hasn't been updated, though. Sure changes the meaning of his "I Did Jackie Jr" t-shirt...
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/03/04 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by J Geoff:
It doesn't bother me -- I think it's pretty damn funny. I'm surprised his site hasn't been updated, though. Sure changes the meaning of his "I Did Jackie Jr" t-shirt...
I found this on his site:

TV wisegay

'Sopranos' fella hits the other way

By MICHELE McPHEE
DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF


Joseph Gannascoli, aka Vito Spatafore on 'The Sopranos,' talks about new plot twist.

It's a first for "The Sopranos" - a gay mobster.
On last night's episode, capo Vito Spatafore was caught in a compromising position with a male security guard - definitely not the kind of behavior that would go over well with the oglers at the Bada-Bing.

"It adds a lot of depth to the character," actor Joseph Gannascoli, who plays the newly outed mobster, told the Daily News.

In the real mob, being gay can add real depth - about 6 feet underground.

Vincent (Vinny Ocean) Palermo, former boss of New Jersey's DeCalvacante family, said to be the model for "The Sopranos," testified last week there is one way to handle gay gangsters: Kill them.

"What's the rule ... about this?" federal prosecutor John Hillebrecht asked the mob turncoat on Wednesday.

"You die," Palermo replied.

That was the punishment meted out to DeCalvacante wiseguy John D'Amato in 1992, whom Palermo ordered whacked after being told his underling had rendezvoused with another man at a swingers club.

Over lunch at a Brooklyn restaurant, Gannascoli took pains to point out he is not gay - adding just as quickly, "Not that there is anything wrong with it."

"My problem is, I love women," he said.

Gannascoli did say he relished the challenge of playing a homosexual. "It was my idea many years ago to have my character be gay, having read and known about gay wiseguys," he said. "I want to be effeminate but knockaround."

Still, Tony Sirico, who plays Paulie Walnuts on the show, grabbed Gannascoli by the arm last week and asked: "You okay with this? You want me to have a talk with [the show's creator] David Chase?"

Gannascoli knows he's in for a little ribbing or worse.

"I'm going to have to deal with a lot of grief in the neighborhood. I'm a little worried about how my family is going to react," Gannascoli said, just as his elderly father walked by a window of Paneantico, a bistro on Bay Ridge's bustling Third Ave.

"But I wanted to really act," he added. "I don't want to just play mob guys for the rest of my career."

Gannascoli refused to reveal whether Vito will face repercussions, saying only, "In the mob, it's about money."

Originally published on May 3, 2004
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 12:29 AM

Hey, thanks, Lou! That wasn't there last I checked his site earlier in the day.
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 02:56 AM

This episode opens with Tony and his cousin Tony Blundetto catching a Mets game on TV in the back yard of Livia's house. It's a sweltering day. Tony B tells a funny story about his time in prison: some Rasta guy used to make grilled cheese sandwiches on his cell's radiator. Tony notices that Tony B is favoring his one foot. He asks what happened, and Tony B spins a tale about being jumped by a couple black guys outside a bar in Irvington. In reality, his foot was run over by a car as he was executing Sacrimoni lieutenant Joey Peeps on behalf of the Lupertazzi faction in the New York turf war.

That evening, Tony has dinner in a Manhattan steakhouse with AJ, Meadow, and Meadow's boyfriend Finn DeTrolio. Finn discusses his plans, and AJ contemplates summer school and "maximum security at Casa Carmela." Finn sneaks off and pays the bill. He wanted to pay Tony back for his past generosity when taking them out to eat. Tony gets mad at Finn and tells him, "You eat. I pay. When you have your own family, YOU pay." Later, outside the restaurant, Tony apologizes to Finn for blowing up at him.

At the Soprano house, Carmela is discussing last week's "swimming pool interlude" with Silvio Dante's wife, Gabriella. Carmela says it was nice, and Tony sent flowers the next day, but otherwise she hasn't heard from him since then. Gabriella wonders if this means Tony wants to get back together. At that moment, Tony pulls up in his new white Escalade, dropping off AJ. Carm seems disappointed that Tony doesn't come in to talk with her, merely dropping off their son, waving, and leaving. AJ gives his mother the envelope of money (her weekly allowance) from Tony.

The next day, Tony is playing a round of golf with Johnny Sack. Johnny speaks of the murdered Joey Peeps, and how tough it will be for him and his wife to get through Joey's funeral. When Tony says, "It's sad when they go so young," Johnny gets angry. He says that he knows it was Little Carmine behind it, payback for the murder of Lorraine Calluzzo. Johnny knows they picked Joey to be the victim of the retaliatory hit because Joey was close to Johnny. He was schooling Joey, much like how Tony is schooling Christopher to eventually run the Family.

Tony asks Johnny if the cops on his payroll know anything. Apparently, all they have to go by is the word of a homeless man, who says he saw the shooter running off with a distinctive limp. Tony freezes, knowing his cousin Tony Blundetto is the killer of Joey Peeps, but he says nothing to Johnny. Tony then has a panic attack. Johnny and two nearby golfers assist Tony into a seat.

Next, we see a meeting of the other New York faction: Little Carmine Lupertazzi, Angelo Garepe, Rusty Millio, and another capo. Little Carmine is speaking, and once again provides a fascinating look at that dim mind of his. He says, “Historically, historical changes have come out of war.” Angelo is dubious, and has misgivings over the hit on Joey Peeps. He thinks they could have solved the disagreements with Johnny Sack through negotiation, not violence, and now he is worried about the repercussions. “We pissed on a bees’ nest.”

Rusty speaks up: “It’s a new day. All old treaties are null and void. The only thing Johnny understands is force.” Rusty also provides support for Little Carmine, saying, “God forgive me, but you may be a stronger man than your dad was.”
Little Carmine, trying to sound like a leader as well as an intellectual (which he’s not) has another gem: “The fundamental question is, will I be as effective as a boss as my dad was. And I will be. Even more so. But until I am, it’s gonna be hard to verify that I think I’ll be more effective.”

My “fundamental question” is, what the HELL is Little Carmine babbling about? He’s obviously an idiot and has power only because of who his father was. And it’s more obvious than ever that Rusty Millio is the real threat to Johnny Sack, not Little Carmine. And it’s obvious that Rusty is using Little Carmine to further his own ends. Millio appears to be a sharp individual, every bit as cold and calculating as Johnny is. It’s apparent that he doesn’t really hold Little Carmine in such high regard. I’d be willing to bet he wants Little Carmine and Johnny to duke it out and eliminate each other, and he picks up the pieces.

Finn and Meadow talk in their hot and stuffy Manhattan apartment. They go over their post-graduate options. Finn doesn’t want to go back to live with his parents, since he graduated college. He wants to find a job until he goes to dental school.

A divorce lawyer, Lee Nieman, calls up Carmela. She contacted him, wanting to hire him to carry out the divorce proceedings with Tony. He informs her that he cannot have Carmela as a client, since Tony met with him a year ago. Due to the conflict of interest, it would be unethical for him to have Carm as a client. The lawyer tells Carmela that this was a deliberate move by Tony to deny her access to the best divorce lawyers in the Tri-State area. Obviously, Tony took to heart the advice given to him by the slimy attorney Alan Sapinsly (we saw him in the Season Four finale). Nieman offers to recommend a colleague Tony hasn’t “contaminated”.

While this phone conversation between Carmela and Nieman takes place, the black bear that was invading their property trots across the Soprano back yard.

At the office of the Bada Bing, Silvio Dante is discussing the killing of Joey Peeps with the Soprano crew. Among them are Peter “Paulie Walnuts” Gualtieri, Little Paulie Germani, Tony B, and a cugine named Jason Molinaro, all playing cards. Silvio says that Joey’s brains were splattered in the inside of the car. Paulie remarks that this wouldn’t be much of a cleanup job. He also yells at Little Paulie for upstaging his joke. Silvio decides that they should chip in some cash to pay for the headstone. He assigns the task to Jason.

At that moment, Tony walks in with his new driver, the massive Frankie Cortese. He tells Tony B he wants to speak with him outside. Tony confronts his cousin, accusing him of killing Joey Peeps. Tony grates, “I am bending over backwards, trying to stay neutral, and you’re acting like a free agent!”

Tony B denies it, but the boss raves on, “Stop relying on being my cousin and that bad hijack, just ‘cause you went away and I didn’t.”
His cousin replies, “You keep bringing it up. I’m fine with it.”

Tony B wants to do more and earn more. Tony acknowledges that Tony B is capable. “You got brains, balls. If you’d be straight with me, I could use all that!”
Tony B’s reply is simple: “Put me in, coach.”

Tony thinks it over for a moment, then makes a decision. Tony decides to make Tony B in charge of the Family’s underground casino on Bloomfield Avenue (we’ve seen this casino in the past; this is where Ralph Cifaretto turned down the drink with Tony). A member of capo Carlo Gervasi’s crew was running it, but has been diagnosed with Hodgkin’s. A replacement for him is needed, and Tony B is the man for the job. He immensely happy to hear this, and is even more pleased when Tony promises to have him made.

In a session at Dr Melfi’s office, Tony talks of his cousin’s smarts, and how he thinks it was a good move to promote him. He also speaks of last week, how he and Carmela slept together for the first time since their separation. Tony says, smiling, “Poor thing was starved for it, honestly. I’m the only man she’s ever been with.” If he only knew…
He also says he has stayed away from Carmela since then, not wanting to send mixed signals. Dr Melfi clearly thinks that was a bad idea.

Carmela meets with another divorce lawyer, Todd Herman. She also distorts the truth, saying that her and Tony’s split was “amicable”. It was anything but. She tells Herman that she not only wants to go after the Soprano family assets, but Tony’s unreported income as well. She lies again, saying that this income is “not from an illegal stream.” The lawyer is optimistic.

Finn now has a job working construction at one of Tony’s work sites, thanks to Meadow. The usual mobsters sitting around and collecting money from their “no work” jobs are there: capo Vito Spatafore, Patsy Parisi, Benny Fazio, Eugene Pontecorvo, Little Paulie Germani, and others. Finn talks baseball with the gangsters. Paulie drives up. Thinking he is addressing some young nobody worker, Paulie threateningly instructs Finn to clean off dogshit from his car’s tires. He finds out that Finn is Meadow’s boyfriend, and changes his attitude immediately. Paulie tells Little Paulie to clean the tires instead, and gives Finn some money to take Meadow out with. “Tell her this is from her Uncle Paulie.”

Tony meets Carmela at Vesuvio for lunch. She tells him she is filing for divorce, and that last week didn’t change anything. The mood immediately gets nasty, and poor Artie gets caught in the middle for a moment. Despite Tony’s best efforts, Carmela found “an aggressive attorney to pursue custody of AJ and an equitable distribution of our assets.”
Tony is incredulous. “OUR assets?”
He confronts her about the 40 grand she stole from him the previous year. Carmela replies, “Do you want this to get ugly? Because these lawyers live for that.”

Tony starts to stalk out of Vesuvio, but turns around and spells it all out for her, saying that if it weren’t him and his work, she would have nothing, and she knew every step of the way how it all worked. She says, “I want what I am entitled to.”

“You’re entitled to shit,” he snarls, and walks out.

Back at the construction site, Finn is talking with the secretary, a lovely Puerto Rican named Felicia Galan. He discusses his relationship with Meadow, life, and marriage. Finn also notices the thong that Felicia is wearing. Vito walks by and interrupts their conversation to talk some baseball. He tells them that Finn “looks like that guy from Aerosmith, Joe Perry.”

Carmela and Meadow do some shopping. Carm breaks the news about the divorce, and how Tony has stopped paying her bills. Meadow notes how they were “getting chummy” in the pool, but Carmela lies, saying that Tony didn’t stay the night. Meadow says, “Haven’t you ever thought beyond being dependent on some man?”
Carmela sourly says, “You have options. I have a lawyer.”

The Leotardos, Phil and Bill, arrive at the construction site for New York’s cut of the profits. Eugene, Little Paulie, Vito, Benny, and Patsy talk about and playfully insult each others’ girlfriends as Finn and Felicia talk. The insults get a little too personal for Eugene, who takes offense at something Little Paulie said. Eugene ends up smashing his Snapple bottle in Little Paulie’s face, then kicking him repeatedly. The other mobsters hold Eugene back. Little Paulie is a horribly bloody mess, possibly with glass in his eye. They decide to blame Paulie’s condition “on a couple black guys.” Finn, witnessing all of this, is sickened.

That night, in their apartment, a freaked-out Finn tells Meadow about the incident. She says, disbelieving, “Eugene Pontecorvo? He’s so sweet!” Finn talks about “these people” she grew up with. She insists, “I have never seen violence”. With her head firmly in her ass, she spews some crap about Italians growing up in poverty, where higher authority was always corrupt.

The next day is Joey Peeps’ funeral, and many New York and North Jersey mobsters are present to pay their respects. Tony quietly notes to Silvio that Joey’s family name is “Peparelli”, not “Peeps”, which is on the headstone. Silvio, mortified, tries to blame it on Jason Molinaro’s dyslexia, but an exasperated Tony says, “What’s that got to do with it?” Silvio promises to fix the headstone.

After the funeral ends, the tension is palpable between Johnny and Little Carmine, and then between Johnny and Tony. Johnny is barely containing his rage when he tells Tony that he’s received new information on Joey’s killer. An Irish dockworker on the New York Family’s payroll (who lives near the scene of Joey’s shooting) saw Tony B three blocks away on the night of the murder. Johnny calls Tony a “two-faced fuck,” and says about Little Carmine, “I should kill him, his wife, and your cousin next!”

Tony leads Johnny away from the gravesite and into the back of a limo. He looks at Little Carmine through the window, and grates, “The fucking GALL on him!” Tony advises him to shake Carmine’s hand, let it go, and be done with it. Johnny, full of grief and rage over his protégé’s death, promises to kill Tony B as well as Carmine. Tony says, “You’re gonna believe some drunk Irish prick over me?” He also rebukes Johnny for sinking Little Carmine’s boat and killing Lorraine Calluzzo.

While the two bosses talk, the New York and North Jersey factions stand in the rain outside the limo, tensions mounting.

Inside the limo, Tony spins a tall tale about the whereabouts of Tony B on the night of Joey’s murder. He was with me, Tony argues, therefore it was impossible that he carried out the hit. Johnny decided to believe Tony, but says, “If I find out you’re lying…”
He stops, and his threat is implicit. Johnny steps out of the limo, pauses to glare at Tony B, and leaves the cemetery. Tony also exits the limo and looks at his cousin, knowing what a huge risk he’s taking covering up for him.

Back at the construction site, Finn is working hard while the mobsters talk boxing. Vito tells him to relax and take a seat. Vito spoke with the construction boss, Louie Ramos, and now Finn can kick his feet up and get paid for it.

Christopher and Adriana are in their apartment, and Chris is in a foul mood. He’s pissed over Tony B taking charge of the Bloomfield casino, a post he feels he should have gotten. He bitches at length about Tony, “Side deals, secret promises. He’s always got an agenda. I used to be the number one cousin (of Tony’s), now I’m being eased aside.” After Chris leaves, Adriana immediately calls up her FBI handler, Agent Robyn Sanseverino. Ostensibly, she calls to provide the FBI with the latest info, but what is her motive? Does she think that by letting them know about Tony Blundetto’s new job, she’ll be helping Christopher in some way?

Meadow, Finn, and friends are having a beach party late one night, enjoying some drinks and pot. Finn excuses himself and leaves early, since he has to get to work at the construction site in a few hours.

Finn drives into the lot and makes a gruesome discovery. It’s something he shouldn’t have seen: Vito Spatafore is blowing a security guard in the front seat of his SUV! Finn, aghast, turns and runs into the job site to get to work.

Later in the day, Finn is taking a leak in a Port-O-John. Vito is waiting for him outside. Finn is understandably nervous, knowing something about Vito no one else knows. Vito is all smiles. The capo invites Finn to attend a Yankees/Padres game with him, and threatens him into going. Finn is scared to death.

He later tells Meadow about the baseball tickets, but refuses to meet Vito at the game. Meadow mistakes Finn’s reluctance as elitism: “Dr DeTrolio can’t hang with the common folk?”

Finally, Finn tells the whole story: Vito’s blowing of the security guard and the veiled threats. “He came onto me! Either that, or he wants to kill me. Maybe he wants to fuck me, THEN kill me!” Finn wants to leave and go back to the West Coast. Meadow cries, and they argue for hours. Meanwhile, outside Yankee Stadium, a stood-up Vito goes into the game by himself.

After hours of arguing, an exhausted, stressed-out Finn comes up with a solution. His idea will protect him from 375-pound gay homicidal mobsters without having to split up with Meadow and split. He proposes marriage, and Meadow joyfully accepts. (You know Finn’s idea: Vito wouldn’t dare harm his boss’s future son-in-law!)

The next day, Carmela’s lawyer calls her with bad news. He can find no forensic accountant willing to investigate Tony Soprano’s finances, so he drops her as a client. Carmela is frustrated, feeling defeated.

Tony has another session with Dr Melfi, and it is an INTENSE session. Tony is having panic attacks again, and through Melfi’s eliciting, he admits that his guilt over his cousin’s prison stay is the cause of it. And the real reason that Tony missed that hijacking gone wrong over 15 years ago is NOT because he was “jumped by two black guys.” In reality, he had an argument with his mother, had a panic attack, fell, and cut his head open.

Tony B went to prison for over 15 years, and lost everything, his wife, his kids, while Tony flourished. Melfi observes, “No wonder you’re having panic attacks,” and she suggests he come clean with his cousin. Tony begins to have labored breathing, and comes close to passing out. Melfi is concerned, and starts to go for her medical bag. Tony, in the midst of a panic attack in the middle of therapy, says he can’t tell anyone that the real reason is that he fainted after arguing with his mother. He recovers, and Melfi says, “That’s a lot to get off your chest.”

Tony, now calm again, questions his reasons for promoting his cousin. He likens therapy to “taking a shit.” Melfi, unruffled, says she prefers to think of it as childbirth.
“No,” Tony says, “It’s taking a shit.”

Carmela arrives home and finds Tony in the pool. She is frustrated at her situation, and the sight of Tony only underscores it. Meadow calls with the news that she is engaged. Carmela starts crying, both from happiness with Meadow, and from the misery of knowing she’ll never be able to get away from Tony.
Posted By: Joeybats

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 04:01 PM

Hey! congratulate me...as of this post I'm officialy a BUTTON Man (you know senator, I push a button on a guy).
By the way....any takers on exactly how long our friend Finn will be around.
I swear if Vito doesn't do him (sorry, couldn't resist) his nerves will.
Posted By: Rocky

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 04:21 PM

Or, do we want to take bets on how long Vito will be around...
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 07:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Rocky:
Or, do we want to take bets on how long Vito will be around...
The way things have been going the last 2 seasons, the whole Vito thing will probably be forgotten about, just like almost every other "twist". :rolleyes:
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 07:49 PM

I agree with Just Lou. I think this storyline will most likely be forgotten. It's really just a minor story, if any at all. Yet, "if" it was pursued, knowing Tony and the gang, I don't think Vito would ever live it down and would guess he'd be sort of shunned by the others. Don't you???


TIS
Posted By: raggingbull2003

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 08:15 PM

Were you being sarcastic TIS? He wouldn't be shunned, he would be killed. Simple as that.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 11:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by raggingbull2003:
Were you being sarcastic TIS? He wouldn't be shunned, he would be killed. Simple as that.
No, not sarcastic RB. It could very well be he'd get whacked, I don't know, but if not, he would definitely be "shunned" at minimum. At any rate, I don't think it's an important enough storyline to the writers to pursue. Then again, who knows.


TIS
Posted By: raggingbull2003

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/04/04 11:44 PM

I agree, and its probably not gonna be brought up again. And for that matter, why the hell does the guy who plays Vito have his own websight? Thats got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a long while.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 01:10 AM

BTW Geoff, SC & Lori,

Do you remember that link I sent you for the Sopranos tour we went on in September?? It said we'd get to meet "Vito". Remember I asked because I wasn't sure who Vito was?? :p

I guess it's good it ended up he wasn't there hu? He may have been all over you guys. And I mean "all over"


TIS
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 01:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by raggingbull2003:
why the hell does the guy who plays Vito have his own websight? Thats got to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a long while.
Everyone and their grandmothers have their own web sites. I'm glad he does. Everyone should! :p
Posted By: J Geoff

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 01:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
He may have been all over you guys. And I mean "all over" (Did I really say that?)
Yup, you really said that.

Yeah, it would've been nice to meet him and get autographs. But I guess we now know why he doesn't like The Bing much
Posted By: Huntz

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 06:53 AM

Chris has got to be kidding himself. He was so close to being killed by Tony himself, now he is bitching about Tony B getting promoted before him. No wonder!

Finn in my opinion is going to have an affair with Alicia (?) first looking at her G-string, then asking "Are you going out with anyone" & I think the feelings are probably reciprocated when Finn was feeling a bit quezzy while Little Paulie just had his faced smashed in.

Also on that scene It was quite ironic that Little Paulie was indicating that Eugene was a *** while Vito was sitting right next too him
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 10:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
I agree with Just Lou. I think this storyline will most likely be forgotten. It's really just a minor story, if any at all. Yet, "if" it was pursued, knowing Tony and the gang, I don't think Vito would ever live it down and would guess he'd be sort of shunned by the others. Don't you???
TIS
In real life he'd be more than shunned. He'd probably be whacked rather quickly.
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 12:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by J Geoff:
But I guess we now know why he doesn't like The Bing much
That, plus the fact the one single toilet in the Bing didn't even have a door on it. (I'm not 100% certain, but I think there was a scene this season of one of the guys on the crapper there, showing the doorless john).
Posted By: SC

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette:
BTW Geoff, SC & Lori,

Do you remember that link I sent you for the Sopranos tour we went on in September?? It said we'd get to meet "Vito". Remember I asked because I wasn't sure who Vito was??
Oddly enough, Lori and I were talking about that the other night. He was supposed to have been on the bus....instead, we got the Frankie Pentangeli look-a-like who acted as "the navigator".

Vito, played by Joe Gannascoli, actually appeared in "The Sopranos" twice (as different characters). In Season One, Episode #8, he was the guy coming into the bakery (asking about his bread) when Chris shot the bakery worker in the foot (imitating Chris' shooting in "Goodfellas").
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 01:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Huntz:
Also on that scene It was quite ironic that Little Paulie was indicating that Eugene was a *** while Vito was sitting right next too him
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
You gotta wonder about that Aprile crew, huh? I mean, look at 'em, over the years. Richie Aprile had impotence problems, Ralphie Cifaretto liked to have vibrators stuck in his ass, and Vito Spatafore blows men. And Little Paulie jokingly calls Eugene Pontecorvo gay, and Eugene almost kills the guy. Hmm, why was he so upset over a little joke?
Posted By: Rocky

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 02:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisY2J:
[quote]Originally posted by Huntz:
[b] Also on that scene It was quite ironic that Little Paulie was indicating that Eugene was a *** while Vito was sitting right next too him
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
You gotta wonder about that Aprile crew, huh? I mean, look at 'em, over the years. Richie Aprile had impotence problems, Ralphie Cifaretto liked to have vibrators stuck in his ass, and Vito Spatafore blows men. And Little Paulie jokingly calls Eugene Pontecorvo gay, and Eugene almost kills the guy. Hmm, why was he so upset over a little joke? [/b][/quote]Also, take note that every season, the capo of the Aprile crew has died:
Season 1 - Jackie Aprile
Season 2 - Richie Aprile
Season 3 - Gigi Gestone
Season 4 - Ralph Cifaretto

Now, with the realization that Vito is a finocchio, I'm convinced that certain people will find out and once again the capo of the Aprile crew will die.
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 03:12 PM

No doubt about it, ROCKY. The mortality rate is high for any capo of the Aprile crew! It's become kind of like Spinal Tap and their drummers!
Maybe Vito will defy the odds and survive this season.
Posted By: Don Vercetti

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 08:54 PM

Can someone tell me which episode of season 1 has Jackie sr.'s death?
Posted By: raggingbull2003

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 09:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Rocky:
[quote]Originally posted by ChrisY2J:
[b] [quote]Originally posted by Huntz:
[b] Also on that scene It was quite ironic that Little Paulie was indicating that Eugene was a *** while Vito was sitting right next too him
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
You gotta wonder about that Aprile crew, huh? I mean, look at 'em, over the years. Richie Aprile had impotence problems, Ralphie Cifaretto liked to have vibrators stuck in his ass, and Vito Spatafore blows men. And Little Paulie jokingly calls Eugene Pontecorvo gay, and Eugene almost kills the guy. Hmm, why was he so upset over a little joke? [/b][/quote]Also, take note that every season, the capo of the Aprile crew has died:
Season 1 - Jackie Aprile
Season 2 - Richie Aprile
Season 3 - Gigi Gestone
Season 4 - Ralph Cifaretto

Now, with the realization that Vito is a finocchio, I'm convinced that certain people will find out and once again the capo of the Aprile crew will die. [/b][/quote]Wasnt Jackie Sr. the boss? If not, then who was?
Posted By: Just Lou

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 10:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by raggingbull2003:
Wasnt Jackie Sr. the boss? If not, then who was?
The real boss is/was Ercoli DeMao(sp?), who is away in prison. Jackie Sr. was only acting boss. All of this seems to have been forgotten since early Season 1.
Posted By: Paul Pisano

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/05/04 10:22 PM

I don't recall Richie being impotent. It was more of a control issue.
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/06/04 02:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Don Vercetti:
Can someone tell me which episode of season 1 has Jackie sr.'s death?
Jackie Aprile Sr died of intestinal cancer in Episode 4 of Season One, "Meadowlands".
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/06/04 02:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Paul Pisano:
I don't recall Richie being impotent. It was more of a control issue.
Twice, we saw Richie have problems. One, with Janice. When she kept saying, "You're the boss. It should be you," Richie was done.

The other time was in Episode 3 of Season Two, when he first got out of prison. Silvio set him up with two strippers in the champagne room. He couldn't finish with them because of impotence.

He had some issues.
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 05/06/04 02:46 AM

Quote:
Wasnt Jackie Sr. the boss? If not, then who was?
Jackie Aprile Sr was the acting boss of the North Jersey mob. The real boss is an aged Mafioso named Ercoli "Eckley" DiMeo, who is serving a life sentence in prison. DiMeo may have the formal title of boss, but it's meaningless. He is apparently senile as hell and holds no real power any more.

Jackie may have been called "acting" boss, but he was truly The Man.

In addition to being boss, he was also the captain of his own crew, which is still named after him. This is the same crew that Richie Aprile, Gigi Cestone, Ralph Cifaretto, and now Vito Spatafore were/are the captain of.

With Jackie's death, there was a power vacuum. Junior Soprano eventually took the reins of the Family, but in reality, Tony Soprano was running things behind the scenes.

After Junior was indicted and imprisoned and then placed under house arrest, Tony became the boss in name as well as in fact.
Posted By: ChrisY2J

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 08/31/04 06:32 PM

I'm bumping this thread for the benefit of our fellow "Sopranos" fans in the UK.
Posted By: don vencent

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 09/28/04 09:44 PM

I HATE vito because he killed my boy Jackie jr.

by the way what up with the title I have a lot of
black pals who like the sopranos too but all this ni**er lines got to go it not right.
Posted By: The Scottish Don

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 10/06/04 07:50 AM

Wow, what an episode last night! (Now being shown at 10:30pm on E4 for some reason, then repeated at 11.30pm the following Monday for non satellite viewers, hellish!)

So many stories progressed in this episode, especially compared to some others recently shown....

Very wise move from Finn, though it was perhaps the only one he could have taken.

Chris needs a slap, and has done for most of the show since the start! Not the brightest, he is never one for thinking about the bigger picture, just surprised that Tony has so much faith in him at times.

Tony's own intelligence "issues" seemed to be getting aired at Melfi's, clearly envious of Tony B's alleged "superior" IQ rating!

Surely Paulie Walnuts will want to take revenge for the meaningless attack on Little Paulie? Paulie snr yet again has a classic comedy scene revolving around Finn cleaning the dog shit from his car tyres, what a guy!

Carmella's world is full of contradictions yet agagin. So happy for Meadow, yet her own life has taken a huge step for the worse. Resigned to being married to Tony for evermore (apparently) she is now stuck between a rock and hard place.

Bring on next week!
Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra

Re: Season 5, Episode 9: "Unidentified Black Males" - 10/12/04 08:44 PM

Absolute sizzling episode last night. There's simply something about watching a "live" episode of this show which you've never seen before; it's like electricity running through you for an hour and a quarter (as with season four, the episodes are getting longer and longer as the season unfolds).

What an amazing episode (yet again!). I was disappointed when it became apparent much of the episode was to be revolving around Finn, but that was possibly the most exciting part, and a pleasant surprise for that too! I thought the chemistry between Finn and Meadow was top-notch--the acting on both parts was great. Finn's definitely a character with whom I sympathise. As nice as Meadow is, you could see last night how spoilt she really is; brought me back to her early season four tantrums with her father. But nevertheless, I'm very happy for the two of them, and hope Finn doesn't go take that wrong path down which Meadow's other bastard boyfriends have ventured...

Vito's twist had me in stitches. Totally didn't expect that (who would!?), and as soon as it happened I burst into a fit of laughter. Eugene's an arsehole; sincerely hope Paulie Walnuts sorts him out.

Speaking of Gualtieri, how many times does he want to make me laugh in one episode? "You always try and top my fucking lines!" at the card table was side-splitting, but didn't come anywhere near his calling Finn "Shaggy." His face when he heard Meadow's name mentioned was priceless--nearly as much as when Carmine Lupertazzi asked him who he was back in season four.

I find it bewildering why people complain about the Melfi scenes. Last night's was the most compelling ever, and an interesting thing to have Tony close to a panic attack while Melfi was there. Each week now I can see Melfi becoming more and more personally concerned about Tony--excellent acting on Bracco's part.

The directing in that scene was awesome, going from the static, unmoving shots to the almost handheld filming when Tony was getting close to admitting his panic attack on the night of the hijacking.

Tony's character is becoming more and more complex each week, and I am utterly fascinated by his character: he's a tortured soul, who, due to an almost Oedipus-like Complex, cannot vent his anger to the right people (he does jack shit to Johnny, but doesn't hesitate to talk intimidatingly to best fried Artie).

Johnny Sac and Tony's scene was excellent. Sack was almost crying when he said "If I ever find out you're lying, Tony," (again, phenomenal acting). Little Carmine has the most annoying face in the whole world!

Janice's temper gets her (and Tony?) in trouble next week. Tony B and Chris are up to no good. Chris is crying seemingly, and things are being thrown into water....again. Can't wait.

Fantastic episode, the best yet. Don't know how they can top this one, but I don't doubt that they can and will.

Season five is the BEST season so far!

Mick
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