A double Message By Michael

In Godfather III, when VIncent is shaving Michael, and they are plotting as to how Vincent is going to approach Lucchese, Michael tells Vincent that he must tell Lucchese that he ( Vincent ) is in love with Michael's daughter and that Michael knows this and he will kill Vincent if he does continue with his duaghter. I always felt that while Michael was coaching Vincent as to what he must tell Lucchese in order to gain his trust, at the same time he was sending a real message to Vincent letting him know what would happen if he did continue a relationship with Mary.

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i think michael said clear: "Give up my daughter. That's the price you pay, for the life you choose." vincent knew that he never would became the don if he still would be with mary...and that michael would become his enemy.

Yeah I think it was made very clear that it was a double message. Vincent even paused afterwards and said "You know I would never do such a thing".

I don't think Micheal actually meant that he would become his Nephew's enemy. It was Vincents job to play the role to get closer to Altobello and his Boss, Don Luchessi

Michael murdered his own brother, why wouldn't he murder Vincent? Michael wanted to become legit, and Vincent is dangerous as he doesn't want danger for his family. Vincent he considered was dangerous for Mary to be around and he didn't like his daughter seeing her first cousin.

he also said in the convo with kay that he wont allow it for mary to be with vincent and that it would be wrong and dangerous for mary.

That's because Mike was ruthless as they come 20 years earlier. All that has changed

Can anyone twll me if Part3 was a part of the book or made up by FFC?

Can anyone tell me if Part3 was a part of the book or made up by FFC?

The book ends shortly after Michael arranges the murder of the Five Families bosses.

The "prequel" track (Young Vito) of GF II is based in large part on chapters of the GF novel which weren't inlcluded in GF I. The "present-day" track (1958-1959, Hyman Roth, Cuba) was written from scratch.

GF III was pretty much written from scratch by FFC and Puzo.

There are still a few sections of the novel, mainly dealing with the Corleones' rise in the underworld hierarchy from about 1928-1940 and Sonny's early days in the operation, that are generally assumed would be included as part of the plot line of a possible GF IV.

Boss,

I respectfully disagree with you on Michael not meaning that he would murder Vincent. I think that it was Michael's cunning way of telling Vincent that he needed to say those things to Luchessi and Altobello, but at the same time he was telling Vincent that he would do whatever was necessary if he ( Vincent ) continued the relationship with his daughter.

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Not really true. Yes Michael was looking for redemption, and to get out, but was also willing to do whatever it took to get out. He obviously was in on the Hits that took place against the Cardinal, Altobello, Luchesse and the others. So he was still ruthless when it was convenient for his benefit and really hadn't changed that much.

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I respect your opinion. But i must disagree with you on something. He was not in on the hits. He was out at the time. Vincent was calling the shots

i don't exactly think that michael would actually want to kill vincent if he proceeds with his relationship with mary... at this point and time, michael is trying to get himself and his family out of the loop... he even stated that he felt serious regret for murdering his "father's son" as well as everything else he'd done in the past during his confession... whether he would kill vincent or not, i would highly doubt that...

i've always thought of michael's statement to vincent on leaving mary as his last attempt to detach his family from the "family business" life and move on, with hopes of mending the torn seams between himself and the blood family he created...

All excellent points! That is what makes interpreting and discussing these GF movies so interesting, no matter how many times you watch them, you always try to figure out the angles. And reading all the different opinions on these boards sometimes makes you see certain scenes from the GF movies in a different light!


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