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Costume Design: The GF

Posted By: pacino princess

Costume Design: The GF - 06/01/10 12:20 AM

Hi, all!

just in case anyone was interested, i am planning to do a series of posts about the costume designs throughout the entire trilogy. just based on my own thoughts and analysis (plus some historical things i can dig up). i wrote the first part of it today, you can read it on my blog @ http://homairajaan.tumblr.com
and please feel free to add comments, i know you all have a wealth of opinions and knowledge i would LOVE to hear.

thanks,
pp
Posted By: Mark

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/01/10 12:28 AM

Great stuff, PP. It puts everything into perspective. The gangster stereotype pin stripe suit, black shirt and white tie is nothing but a Halloween costume. This shows the every day life and times of a family in that time period. I enjoy the scene when Vito is tending to his tomato garden because I remember my Sicilian grandfather wearing the same clothes as Brando wore. What a great post and a cherished memory.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/01/10 01:56 AM

Wonderful article, PP! clap I'm not a fashion expert. So, for me, the most striking thing about GF's costume design is that it reflects FFC's fanatical attention to detail. In Connie's wedding, you see that the men are all wearing short ties because of the wartime shortage of silk and synthetics like rayon. But look closely and you'll see that the young girls' hair is tied with strands of wool, not ribbons, for the same reason. Another nice touch: the old guy who sings puts his glasses in his suit jacket breast pocket: he's too vain to wear them while performing, but wants to remember where he put them.
Kay's picture hat is right on target for the period, too. Fredo's foppish outfit in Vegas was "high roller modern" for the period (as well as a dead giveaway to his impending treachery).
The only thing I thought was a bit overdone was Michael's outfit when he woos Kay in New Hampshire. With that ridiculous homburg hat, he looks more like a pint-sized banker than a "legitimate" businessman on a lovelorn mission.
David Thomsen, the famous UK film critic, has written that Pacino's style as Michael totally transformed the image of gangsters from what Mark described as the cliched stereotype.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/01/10 12:44 PM

thanks, Mark, and yes you're so right that this film shattered all previous stereotypes (in all realms), but definitely in terms of fashion. It's funny that you mention your grandfather, because I thought the same thing when studying Vito's attire- just like my own grandpa, in fact, down to the posture. I guess that just adds to the allure and love for Don Corleone in general.

TB!! I was hoping you would respond, I was actually watching II last night and "Turnbull is a good man" came on and I was thinking about you.
I was wondering, in your infinite GF knowledge, any idea what type of watch Michael wears? I caught glimpses of it throughout, it looks like a silver band, but I can't see much more than that. Let me know if you know smile

As far as Mike in New Hampshire, I think it was just very severe, a huge contrast to when we saw him before in Sicily- so it is jarring. And I agree, he does look like some sort of politician or like you say, banker. It's quite haunting, especially when you've watched it so many times and you realize his wooing Kay would be so pointless. He talks to her so differently, and you can't help but see that his dress matches his confidence, that he can get her to do whatever he wants now.

SIGH
when will i stop loving this film?(probably never)

-pp
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/01/10 04:27 PM

PP, I'm afraid I'm no good on watches. cry Cars, yes. Watches, no.
The Havana sequence is so authentic that history professors urge their students to watch GFII so they can get a feel for what Havana looked like just before Castro took over. Among the authentic touches are the uniforms of the bellmen at the Capri hotel when Fredo shows up, the design of Michael's and Roth's hotel rooms, and the New Year's Eve show featuring Yolanda. You may also have noticed that, at the end of the scene, Cubans are bashing parking meters. That really happened: revenue from the meters was supposed to go to a children's hospital, but it ended up in Batista's pockets.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 12:23 PM

It's alright TB, it's a tough one. Especially since they are so hard to see clearly- even on the Coppola restoration- on blu-ray-in HD! And thanks for the bit of historical facts, I may use it and credit you in later postings =)
But yes, in II there are so many stylistic aspects to get through. You know, talking about this made me realize I need to continue the next post with more Part I, there's just too much more to explore there in terms of clothes, and I want to get into Philip Tattaglia, Carlo, and even Tessio and Luca.

I know that so much of this will be personal analysis, although I think I can say I have some authority since I've been watching these films since I can remember. Archival info, footage, etc (even on something like bonus materials in any of the dvd collections)- sadly never contains info on costume design. It's really the thing that defines these characters for us externally and it's super important.

-pp
Posted By: Mark

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 01:27 PM

I noticed the doorman/bellhop at the hotel in Cuba having a lime green jacket. If I remember correctly, he is the one who tries to help Fredo with the bag containing the 2 million dollars. Fredo pulls the bag away from the clerk and carries it himself. I always thought that was an odd color of a jacket to be wearing...turns out it is authentic! Learn something new every day!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 02:09 PM

PP,

What a great idea for a thread. smile I love all the pictures. What about Michaels attire when in Sicily (when he gets hit by the thunderbolt)? The beanie hat/cap was a nice touch no? And, I noticed in one of the pictures Sonny is wearing a cross/crucifix chain which I know was common during that time.

Kay's attire/hair seems to fit into the time also, even if I find much of her real life attire, a little out of whack (i.e. Annie Hall days). ohwell

TIS
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 02:55 PM

hi TIS! Thanks, it's kind of a passion. I figured there was a reason I would dress in olive and brown vests and want to wear slacks after every time I would re-view the films- there is clearly tons of inspiration in them wink

I noticed Sonny's cross around his neck, it certainly gives him an edge- in terms of a kind of saint/sinner paradox. Sonny is so passionate and he definitely looks to be the initial, most obvious, savior of the family.

Kay (Diane) was very pretty in the original screen tests, I think, I mean maybe with pulled up hair, and even the little headband she wears, she looks really pretty- but I know that's not what they wanted for her, because she definitely is dressed and coiffed to look a bit stiff and put-together. In II, she really shines, I think that's when she's transformed, especially during the Hotel Washington scene ( man i can't wait to post on that- eeeeeeep!)

I personally find Diane Keaton's style off camera (especially in the Annie Hall years! smile to be very cool, modern, forward. I love it, but I can agree she looks most beautiful when she's girly.

-pp
Posted By: MaryCas

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 04:32 PM

pp, you've shined the light on an aspect of cinema that usually doesn't get much airplay. We've touched on the topic occasionally, but not to the depth you have. Bravo!
After many viewings of GF and II, I found myself scanning the background for decorations, knick-knacks, furniture, etc....but not so much the clothing. The obvious costumes were always interesting. Some are subtle and some rather garish, like that huge necklace Kay is wearing when Michael smacks her in GFII. It looks like something from Star Trek.
A few years ago I posted an observation about Luca's squeaky shoes as he walks down the hall to his demise in Bruno's bar. At the time, Professor Turnbull commented that during the war cheap shoes squeaked. I only mention this as another avenue for you to explore. There are some clothing items that we don't even see that are made for the times.
I also thought Luca's hat was a little large in the brim. Looked like it could have been a cowboy hat for city slickers. grin
Great job.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 04:58 PM

PP, one detail they missed in the early scenes in GF was the ugly cotton hose women had to wear because silk and nylon were needed for parachutes. That would have been especially true in the Sicily scenes. I guess the actresses drew the line there.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 05:18 PM

ooh MC , i LOVE that big necklace/brooch that Kay wears in the Hotel W scene and can I just say that in the blu-ray version, you can actually SEE she's wearing a longer chain necklace that has (and I hope I wasn't hallucinating) -but CROSSES on them. aaaaaaaah, that's why I can't wait to explore the symbolism there. Anyway, I noticed Luca's squeaky shoes and Don Tommasino's short, short tie (all things TB has mentioned, because you're right, he IS the professor of Godfatherology.) I will definitely touch on those, too.

Thanks for your support and inspirations and comments, please keep them comin!!

TB- ha! I woulda drawn the line, too. But it's funny I read that the actress who played Clemenza's wife (and Richie Castellanos real-life wife as well)- teased the production designer asking him how they planned to make Clemenza's wife 'pretty' in the cannoli scene. After getting a death stare, she calmed his fears by suggesting pin curlers and a scarf, the PD said he was thinking pin curlers and a hairnet, and she said it sounded perfect.
(but then again, that broad was the reason we didn't get Clem in II, so screw her)
tongue

pp
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By: pacino princess

(but then again, that broad was the reason we didn't get Clem in II, so screw her)
tongue


lol clap

Amen to that!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 06:33 PM

Notice, suspenders where quite common during that era. I wonder if they were actually fashionable or were they literally used to hold pants up? grin


BTW, I'm still laughing at TB's comment about Pacino's hat making him look like a "pint sized banker" comment. lol As powerful as an actor he is, you tend to forget he is not a big guy.

TIS
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 06:39 PM

Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
As powerful as an actor he is, you tend to forget he is not a big guy.


The first time I ever saw Pacino in person was on Broadway in 1984, in "American Buffalo." I was SHOCKED at how diminutive he actually is.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 06:48 PM

lol

i know, poor thing ohwell if he was really mine, i'd have to live in flats for all of eternity.

but i'd deal grin

-pp
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/02/10 06:58 PM

Originally Posted By: pacino princess
lol

i know, poor thing ohwell if he was really mine, i'd have to live in flats for all of eternity.

but i'd deal grin

-pp


In that case, I'll take him PP. wink Being of short stature myself, I can relate. Actually, I think he's even taller than me. lol


TIS
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 01:34 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: pacino princess

(but then again, that broad was the reason we didn't get Clem in II, so screw her)
tongue


lol clap

Amen to that!



lol lol

But then again, we got Michael V. Gazzo as Frank Pentangeli. He makes GFII.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 01:37 AM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
As powerful as an actor he is, you tend to forget he is not a big guy.


The first time I ever saw Pacino in person was on Broadway in 1984, in "American Buffalo." I was SHOCKED at how diminutive he actually is.

By chance, I happened to be at Christie's auction house in NYC for an art exhibit, and I ducked into an auction they were holding for movie and theatrical artifacts. One of them was one of Pacino's suits from GFIII. It was so small, I kept wondering if he wore it in the film--or to his First Communion. confused
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: pacino princess

(but then again, that broad was the reason we didn't get Clem in II, so screw her)
tongue


lol clap

Amen to that!



lol lol

But then again, we got Michael V. Gazzo as Frank Pentangeli. He makes GFII.




that's true, thank goodness for Frankie. he's like 'yeaaaaah sure-why naaaaaaah?' one hand floating in the air.

anyway, i think that should be enough Pacino short jokes, thanks. tongue
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 02:16 PM

Yup, thank God for Frankie "Five Angels." In many ways, he was even more likeable than Clemenza!
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 04:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette
As powerful as an actor he is, you tend to forget he is not a big guy.


The first time I ever saw Pacino in person was on Broadway in 1984, in "American Buffalo." I was SHOCKED at how diminutive he actually is.

By chance, I happened to be at Christie's auction house in NYC for an art exhibit, and I ducked into an auction they were holding for movie and theatrical artifacts. One of them was one of Pacino's suits from GFIII. It was so small, I kept wondering if he wore it in the film--or to his First Communion. confused



LMAO lol First Communion suit? Oh no! Poor Al.

Maybe that's why he plays tough guys all the time. To make up for his vertical challengedness. lol

TIS
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 05:14 PM

"Vertical challengedness"! lol TIS has invented another category of handicapped/disabled.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 05:21 PM

Getting back to this excellent--and unique--(thanks PP) topic:
Mark wisely observed that the ol' black shirt/white tie gangster cliche was put to bed in the Trilogy. But FFC resurrected it, probably deliberately, in II:
In the New Year's Eve nightclub scene, Fredo shows up in classic gangster threads: white Panama, white suit, black shirt, white tie. Seems like he's preparing for an audition for "Scarface" (too bad Al beat you to it, John). I think FFC dressed him that way because Michael had asked him to show the visiting politicians "a good time," and Fredo replied, "My specialty, right?" So, put in his usual sleazy position, the ol' bordello and Mickey Mouse nightclub operator dressed the part.
BTW: As the quality of Trilogy home videos improved, I noticed an amusing detail. In the earlies VHS tapes, I thought Fredo had a black hankerchief in his breast pocket. Now I see that it's a bunch of cigars.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 05:56 PM

I agree, TB, but, FFC did use the black and white fedora as a publicity still in part 1. I believe it's from the deleted (and apparently lost on the cutting room floor) scene where Michael shotguns Fabrizzio.

Off topic: Check out the Coke poster, circa 1955. Great attention to detail by FFC.

Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 06:11 PM

I liked the clothing Vito wore as an old man. Just what we used to call "old clothes." He would certainly never have spent the money to look sharp in the privcy of his mall and tomato garden.
Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/03/10 06:18 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
I agree, TB, but, FFC did use the black and white fedora as a publicity still in part 1. I believe it's from the deleted (and apparently lost on the cutting room floor) scene where Michael shotguns Fabrizzio.

Off topic: Check out the Coke poster, circa 1955. Great attention to detail by FFC.



Yea, neat poster! smile


"It's The Real Thing", "Things Go Better With Coke", "I'd Like To Buy The World A Coke"....Those I remember but "Coke Brightens Every Bite", can't say I remember.

It's those authentic little things that add so much to the feel of the era.

TIS
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 01:42 AM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I liked the clothing Vito wore as an old man. Just what we used to call "old clothes." He would certainly never have spent the money to look sharp in the privcy of his mall and tomato garden.

I liked it, too.
When I was very young, we lived in a part of the East New York, Brooklyn, neighborhood that was overwhelmingly Sicilian. Every middle aged or older man dressed exactly as Vito did in that scene, tending their tomatoes, except they all had gabardine caps.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 12:09 PM

TB, you know what you guys are so inspiring right now, i love this so much. you're right about the restoration dvd's like i mentioned earlier with Kay's jewelry- and now you point out the cigars in Freddie's pocket, it's so lovely to be able to see those things now. As far as the cliche gangster uniform pre-Godfather, and that brilliant photo pizzaboy posted (which I had never seen before this), I always thought of this black & white promotional photo I have of Al. I just know it wouldn't have matched Michael's demeanor, he wouldn't go into Louis like a fake me out gangster wannabe. (he looks awesome though, but still).

As far as Fredo, even the scene where they are at that freak show, he looks like a Vegas guy, with the hat, and he's always rocking some white suit and wide spread collars.

I have to get writing on some more Part I stuff soon, because now I'm super excited to write about II. And then III, lord, that's going to be a SHOW. I'll keep you guys all updated with my new posts, but yeah, please keep this going, this is wonderful.

-pp

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Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 12:15 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
I liked the clothing Vito wore as an old man. Just what we used to call "old clothes." He would certainly never have spent the money to look sharp in the privcy of his mall and tomato garden.


i agree, and plus, he had so much style and substance in his personality, he didn't have to look powerful, he didn't have to try. remember his robe and pajamas in the scene with Tom re: Sonny? he's like a weary king, he looks like a king even at his lowest. he don't apologize. *SIGH*
Posted By: Mark

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 12:57 PM

What a great and insightful post. The comments and questions posed prove the amount of us "creative artsy types" are on this BB. The eyes for detail are teriffic.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 03:54 PM

I, too, love this publicity still, PP. I have a 16x24 blowup of it in my home. But I agree with you; I would've HATED to see Michael dressed like this in any of the movies. It would have been very tacky and cheapened the character, like he was trying to emulate Paul Muni or George Raft, thirty years after the fact. There was no reason for Michael to dress or act like a "wannabe." He was in the bloodline; a Prince, if you will.

And I believe that's pretty much the same outfit Al's wearing in the pizzeria shot smile.

Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 07:15 PM

That scene was actually shot, but as PB said, it got lost on the cutting room floor. I'd give my left you-know-what to see it.

Another anomaly: the movie poster of II (and VHS and DVD boxes) show Michael in a tuxedo. He never appeared in a tux in any of the films.
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/04/10 07:23 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Another anomaly: the movie poster of II (and VHS and DVD boxes) show Michael in a tuxedo. He never appeared in a tux in any of the films.


Posted By: Sicilian Babe

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/06/10 03:25 AM

He also looks like Matthew Broderick in that photo.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/07/10 02:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
He also looks like Matthew Broderick in that photo.


Yeah he does. BTW how did Matthew's wife make out in the Belmont?
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/07/10 02:54 PM

Originally Posted By: dontomasso
BTW how did Matthew's wife make out in the Belmont?

Well, she didn't lose by a nose, that's for sure. With that beak, she couldn't lose by a nose.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/07/10 05:07 PM

Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
Originally Posted By: dontomasso
BTW how did Matthew's wife make out in the Belmont?

Well, she didn't lose by a nose, that's for sure. With that beak, she couldn't lose by a nose.


Matthew and Sarah Jessica walk into a bar. The bartender says "Why the long face?"
Posted By: Mignon

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/07/10 05:07 PM

PB, you are so BAD!!! lol
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/07/10 06:18 PM

Never mind, everyone. She was apparently scratched.

Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/07/10 06:33 PM

So now we know who played Khartoum so well.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/09/10 01:42 AM

Reminds me of a joke from the Sixties:
Woman walks into her beauty salon and tells the hairdresser she wants the "Barbara Streisand look." The hairdresser hits her across the nose with a hairbrush.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 12:49 AM

hi guys, i have a new post up. i'm trying to continue with more analysis on part I, but i got sidetracked by Francis Ford, and while a post can't do him justice, it's just where my heart was on this one. i shall continue with more in depth stuff and many more pics in my next post, so please bear with me smile thanks again for your awesome insights.

http://homairajaan.tumblr.com

pp
Posted By: Mark

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 12:56 AM

Cool. The bowler hat was a great addition for Clemenza in part 2. It set him apart from the other "hoods" and complimented his unique character.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 01:16 AM

Virtually all American men wore hats before and for years after WWII. Workin' stiffs wore caps like young Vito and Abbandando did. Bowlers, or "plug hats," generally were signs of someone who was up-and-coming--not yet in the middle class. They started declining ca. 1910. Fedoras were the choice of men who wanted to be taken seriously--and gangsters who were posing as such. A homburg (like the one Michael wore when courting Kay in New Hampshire) was for a banker or a Wall Street type.

I am addicted to hats. I wear a hat even when I go out to fetch the newspaper in the morning. Since I live in AZ, I have a bunch of Western hats for winter, Panamas for summer, and a few "normal" hats with regular brims.
Posted By: Mark

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 01:28 AM

I always remembered my Uncle Pasquale wearing a driving hat or "Gatsby" style of hat. He was part of the greatest generation so wearing a hat to him was like putting on shoes - an absolute prior to going out.
Posted By: pacino princess

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 02:20 PM

TB i love hats, too. i actually wear all kinds of hats whenever i feel the moods, and it's mainly when i just want to look really, really cool, or tomboyish. i googled the'homburg'and it's so great how that brim sort of flips up like a wave, i love it. it's such an 'im an asshole, fuck you' type of hat. i want one now. (btw, i'm going to quote you on my next post re: that hat history tidbit you wrote up there).

Mark, speaking about uncles, my grandfather's younger brother, my dear uncle (may he rest in peace) used to dress so beautifully. he was the only one in our family who would still wear fedoras and newsboys out to work or anywhere outside- with cashmere sweaters and button ups and then tweed slacks. i miss him so much man. but i do have 2 things of his, a watch which is worn out and i haven't changed the battery because i just don't feel like it yet- and a fedora of his, which still has a little TINY red feather in it.

pp
Posted By: pizzaboy

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I am addicted to hats.
Me too, TB.
Originally Posted By: Turnbull
I wear a hat even when I go out to fetch the newspaper in the morning. Since I live in AZ, I have a bunch of Western hats for winter, Panamas for summer, and a few "normal" hats with regular brims.
Same here, except with me it's when I'm in Florida. I have so many Panama hats and Kangol caps, my wife throws them right up to my face whenever I break her chops about buying a new pair of shoes lol.
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 05:26 PM

I'm big on hats, have a few Panamas, a "boater" and some wide brimmed straw hats to block the sun. Have an "ivy league" woolen cap for winter when I go to NY. Next time I am definitely getting a fedora.

My dad always had a fedora in the winter and a Panama in the summer.

I guess JFK really did in the hat biz.

I have a real problem with grown men walking around wearing baseball caps UNLESS they are at a game.
Posted By: Turnbull

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 06:14 PM

dt, I'd love to have a boater. I used to see them regularly when I was a teenager working in NYC.

dt and PB: a great place to buy good quality hats at great prices is:

www.sportsmansguide.com
Posted By: dontomasso

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 06/16/10 06:52 PM

Think I'll get the boater out tomorrow.

When Kay asked Michael to wear one he said, "A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous."
Posted By: Ice

Re: Costume Design: The GF - 12/02/10 11:24 PM

That was a beautiful write up, p. And I agree with you, the Don looks truly regal in his pj's.
The threads could have only been sewn from a royal loom--truly fit for a King!

And I hope you'll do a piece for II...mostly b/c I'd like to find a way to incorporate an ascot into my wardrobe. wink
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