Did Michael love Kay or Apollonia the most?

Call it a girly thing, but I've been intrigued by these aspects of the trilogy since the first time I watched GF! As for me, I think Michael loved Kay in quite a rational way (the question is: is a rational love a true love? but ok, that's another issue): she got what he needed to escape from the "Sicilian thing": she was anglosaxon, protestant, well-educated, emancipated, had no links - directly or indirecty -with the underworld. From this point of view Kay was the perfect wife. But this probably was Michael's will BEFORE he was forced in family's business due to Vito's hit. In fact, after he was involved in it, he had to realize Kay was too a problematic woman for him, wanting him not to mingle with the mafia, a promise he had made to her but was not able to keep anymore. Plus I think Michael did not have a strong sexual attraction for Kay, especially when compared to the one he undoubtly had for Apollonia. I never saw the same "fire" in Michael's eyes as he had when looking at the young Sicilian girl, the anti-Kay. Her father being linked to the mafia, Apollonia would have been the typical Mediterranean wife (in those times): submissive to his husband, outstanding cook, excellent mother, hot in bed. It's funny, but once Michael chose to be "his father's son", Apollonia - who doesn't speak English and lived all her life so far away from the USA - had many more things in common with Michael and the Corleones than the all-American Kay. Maybe Micheal loved Apollonia in a more immediate and instinctive way than he did for Kay. I don't know, maybe I'm biased by the fact that I don't like Kay?

What do the other boarders think?

I think he love appolina the most,as she was pure italian

Hi Lavinia, I too have wondered about who Michael loved most, and have come to your same conclusions.

To me, he was mainly attracted to Kay because of her "respectability" - the fact she could provide the perfect yankee façade he was looking for. I'm not saying Mike didn't feel any affection for her, he was obviously fond of Kay, but yes, this kind of love was more based on a "cold" caculation of what Kay had to offer than on a loving impulse.

With Apollonia, Michael was definitely hit by the famous thunderbolt. And I don't think it was only about the physical beauty. She maybe represented the coming back to his very roots - whose he had tried to escape through all his life, but had come back to, in the end. She was the door to the world Michael knew he belonged to, and surely the perfect companion for the life he had chosen. So, I definitely think - and the book too states this - Mike had never loved someone as he did with Apollonia, and that's surely one of the resons (if not the main reason) for he came back to New York so embittered and cold-hearted.

Ehhehehe, all this was to say that I love Apolonnia and *don't* like Key...Poor Key, I really don't know why she is so annoying...

Ciao Flora, nice to read you!!! BTW, I 100% agree with your brilliant post!

I wonder WHO does like her? AUGH!!!!!!! Al Pacino liked her!!! They have been told to have a liaison at the time the movie was being filmed...Luckily they split....I hated the sight of the two being together as a married couple in the film.....I would not have stomached it IN REAL LIFE!!!

So that's it, now I know: I'm jelous!!!!!!

Afiiiiiiiiiii, JustMeeeeeeeee, Pacino Princessssssssssss!!!!!!!!! Here is another one!!!!

Well, I know who I love the most, so to hell with Al Pacino (uh oh, them's fighting words )



BTW, I like the one on the right, the one on the left is a gift for all you Pacino lovers.

*guh*!!! Don Corleone, you made my day!!!!! That pic is beautiful, they are both beautiful!!

GOSH, he was so young....a puppy to cuddle all the time.....
Can't think how he looks now.....

Nice Topic...

I think Michael love Apollonia the most...


*Al Pacino pic:

I don't think Michael was ever really "in love" with Kay as much as he was in love with the idea of Kay. As a younger man, I think she represented his rebelliousness against his family and particularly his father. By having a WASP non-Sicilian as a fiancee, he was making a very clear statement to the world that he was not a part of "the family business" and that he was not going to be a man like his father. The way he dumped her in New York just before he went to the hospital is not what someone "in love" would do.

Later, after Appoliania died and Michael was working for the family, he wanted a family, and Kay was convenient and still available, so I think he just took her. Of course Kay, about whom many of us have made unkind posts, knew or should have known exactly what she was getting herself into, and yet never missed the opportunity to complain to Mike about his career path.

As for pure, sensual, "hot" "in love," there's no question. Appolonia hands down.

Good topic!

When it comes to love, pure love, Michael loved Apollonia. When it came to other things, more practical uses for a spouse here in America, that's where Kay could fit in. Sure, he loved Kay in some sense, but she was more of a life partner (until the whole abortion thing later came into play) whereas Apollonia was someone Michael loved.

Apollonia was more of a lover. Kay was more of a partner and mother to Michael's children.

Lets also put it another way. Did Kay really love Michael?

Yes, until he fled to Sicilia.

Question: In the familiy tree, there is said Apollonia was only 16. Was marrying at that age normal in Sicilian culture? And dont forget Michael was already 27 at the time.

Question 2: What about Simonetta Stefanelli? How old is she now, did she act after GF, is she married, is she dead?

BTW, Michael really loved Kay, but he simply loved Appolonia more. After Apollonia died, Michael didnt love Kay anymore.

I think we've all (and by all, I mean straight guys) have had / wished we'd had girls of both the Appollonia and Kay variety.

"Kay"-types: good-looking but not stunning, good personalities, long term / marriage prospects, can see settling down with them and living happily ever after.

"Appollonia"-types: stunning, breathtaking. Head over heals in love, can never think about anything else. Total lust etc. But then they get car-bombed / run off with better looking guy. Sexier but less reliable.

I don't know, if I remember right, they are quite fond of each other after Sicily in the novel. In GFII it seems like Kay just becomes the mother of his children.

By the way, Appolonia is indeed beautiful. Really beautiful! Anybody with recent pics of the actress who played Appolonia?

Dontomasso, I think you hit the point about the reasons for I don't have a particular liking on Kay. She perfectly knew was she was getting herself into, Michael couldn't have fooled a 3 years old with all of his speeches about legitimacy and such. (c'mon!)
She loved Mike, and wanted to marry him - all the rest were pale excuses she gave herself to find a way to justify this choice before her own conscience.
I can understand this, and I felt bad for Kay at the beginning, but her attitude at the end of GFII (not to mention GFIII with pearls like: "I preferred you as a common mafia hood", "you became my horror" and such), really got on my nerves. What, in hell did she expect?

Maybe she hoped what many women hope. Marrying, raising a family, having a beautiful house, a garden, a couple of blonde blue eyed children and possibly a golden retriver.

Ok, I totally agree (except for the dog thing, 'cause everyone here knows I am a cat oriented person...not that I don't like dogs, but you know..... ), but.... KAY....WHY DID YOU MARRY
A DARK HAIRED DARK EYED SICILIAN MAFIOSO, THEN???????

That's more difficult to tell. Maybe she loved Michael as long as he remained the "nice college boy", the army hero....as long as he managed to hide (her and himself) his real identity. Maybe she hoped to be able to change him, that he would have changed in behalf of their love. Women often do such silly things....

exactly, when kay was there to meet the family at the wedding, micheal held nothing back. infact I was surprised to see how much he actually let her know at such an early point in time. she knew exactly what she was getting into.

Absolutely.

She should be about 50. She married a very popular (here) actor, Michele (WOW, the power of a name!!!) Placido, but they divorced. They have three children. A daughter, Violante, is an actress hereself. As for Simonetta's career, after GF she acted in some mafia B-movies, nothing to be remembered.

Can't see the connection.

Because he was damn hot, what else?
Ehmmm...ok, excuse me..

Holy cows! I didn't know she was Michele Placido's ex-wife! Whar have I been living?
I think her daughter Violante has a slight resemblance to her (but Simonetta was more beautiful!

whooo-hoo, look at what I found: that's Simonetta in her older years:

In the 'current' picture she looks ALOT like Roma Downey...the Irish actress from 'Touched By An Angel'...among other things.

Apple

I think he loved them equally but in different times of his life and in different ways.

Let's remember that it was Kay who was his FIRST true love. Although we are priveleged to see that thunderbolt hit Michael when he first lays eyes on Appolonia, we do not know what the first meeting between Michael and Kay was like.

Had Appolonia lived, it's true Kay would've been history. But it would be nice to think he still had a fondness and more adult, mature love for Kay even if he was no longer 'in love' with her as he had been with Appolonia and the Kay of his pre-Sicily life.

And by the way, I'm so sick & tired of people who 'don't like' Kay.

Apple

I'm sorry, Apple. You see, usually people don't like annoying and unpleasant characters. Unless, of course, they are GREAT in their annoyance and unpleasantness. But Kay isn't even so. Just a pain in the ass. At least in the vast majority's opinion.

Apology accepted, Lavinia...however it doesn't make your (and the 'vast majority's) dislike of Kay any less ridiculous.

If I were going to 'not like' a character because they were annoying, unpleasant and a pain in the ass...I would choose Fredo.

But of course, everyone has their own special place in the story !!

Apple

Labelling as "ridiculous" someone else's opinion without elaborating a single concept to prove it is a masterpiece of tolerance. And, of course, of good manners!

I don't really need to elaborate a concept to prove it.

It's my (not the vast majority's) 'opinion' !!

AppleOnYa
(aka, Miss Manners)

You do when you "stigmatize" other people's opinions. Unless, of course, you want your judgment to sound gratuitously offensive.

I don't necessarily WANT it to...but if it does, after nearly 3 years on this Board I really don't give a hoot.

Call it a 'girly thing'.



Apple

Oh! and the "vast majority" as well.... I know it...I know it...my vocabulary is terribly chic . Use it sometimes!

I will !!

But only when I'm striving to be ...'chic'...!



Apple

People who don't like Kay are ridiculous? Let me tell you soething my kraut-mick friend, that posting made me look ridiculous, and a man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous. Now get outta here, and you tell that goombah that I'm no band leader. Yeah. I heard that story.

Thank you for the dinner and a very pleasant evening.


Apple

Now if your car would take me to the airport...

Apple, I know how much you love minutae, so I will ask you openly whether or not you think that they sent Fredo to pick Tom up at the airport when he returned from California.

Gosh, dontom...I never really thought about it.

I guess it's just one of those things that'll forever be open to dicsussion & speculation....like who beheaded Khartoum.



Apple

Oh THAT....I know the answer. In a super secret deleted scene, never before revealed until this moment...after Tom Hagen left the studio that afternoon, he paid a visit to that star who had just moved from marijuana to heroin. Duringthe visit, Tom told him that the Corleone family could not sell him drugs, but that a guy in New York named Sollozzo could keep him high for the rest of his life, and that the drugs would be free on condition he performed a simple service....

Sorry, but super secret deleted scenes, never before revealed do not count...since they were unused in the final, edited version of the film and/or saga.

Apple

Well, then, I would have to say the same guy who beheaded that Ox or Water Buffalo or whatever it was in Apocalypse Now also beheaded Khartoum. After all, FFC was always pretty loyal to his actors.

Could be...but it doesn't get you closer to figuring out if Fredo picked up Tom at the airport.

(Although, from the boathouse scene I would presume he was sent on those kinds of tasks AFTER Vito's death and once Michael was running the Family...)

Apple

Give me the weekend and then some to try to figure out this very significant issue.

Take all the time you need, dontom.

After all...you want to get it right otherwise you look ridiculous and we all know a man in your position....

Apple

Mike liked me the most. Now y'all need to get over this.