Francesco (Frankie Yale) Ioele, was the acknowledged early "Camorra" boss of the Napolitani/Calabrese factions headquartered in the "Downtown Brooklyn" section of Brooklyn, New York. At that time, HE was the power!

In fact, many future NYC Cosa Nostra powers you've all read about, such as Luciano/Genovese capos Antonio (Little Augie Pisano) Carfano and Generoso (Toddo Dell) Del Duca, soldier Giuseppe (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito, and so many others, too numerous to name....all "cut their teeth" under Frankie Yale's tutelage.

Lol Yale followed orders like any other associate of the Masseria clan and he was killed like a dog on the streets by Capone's boys on Masserias order. He was easy to find and was lured to his demise with a simple phone call that his girlfriend was allegedly in trouble, meaning the guy wasnt that smart. He shouldve sent his guys to the scene, but instead he went alone. Real "powerful" guy lol Capone wouldve never fell in that simple type of trap.

The largest Camorra faction within the City of New York — within the entire country for that matter — was headquartered in the “Downtown Brooklyn” section of Kings County (Brooklyn). And for many years, the acknowledged leader of that faction was Francesco (Frankie Yale) Ioele.

Frankie Yale’s crew was a very powerful one, which included such notorious hoodlums as Michele (The Sweetheart) Abbatemarco, Antonio (Tony the Sheik) Carillo, Generoso (Toddo Dell) Del Duca, his brother, Pasquale (Patsy Dell) Del Duca, Giuseppe (Joe Adonis) Doto, Joseph (Joe Shep) Schipani, George (Pokerface) Scalise, Joseph (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito, Francesco (Frankie) Galluccio, Yale’s kid brother, Angelo (Angelo Yale) Ioele, to name but a few. There were many others.

This laundry list also included a young Brooklyn-born hoodlum from that same neighborhood, Downtown Brooklyn, by the name of Alphonse (Scarface Al) Capone, who, as a young man worked as a bouncer in Frankie Yale’s Harvard Inn nightclub in Coney Island, and also served as an all-around aide and strong-arm man to his mentors and superiors (Yale and Torrio, and other senior Camorrista.) Also included in this list of Yale subordinates were Capone’s notorious NYC-born cousins, the Fischetti brothers (Charlie, Rocco and Joe.)

Torrio, born years earlier, in 1882, was considered a senior, a contemporary, and a close friend of Yale’s. With the exception of Torrio, most of these very same men, in future years, went on to become noted New York-based Cosa Nostra figures. But almost to a man, each “cut his teeth” under the tutelage of Francesco Ioele.

Among the many other acknowledged Brooklyn powers within New York’s Camorra Gang during that same time period (1910s, to the late 1920s) were the shadowy Alessandro Vollero, Leopoldo Lauritano, and Antonio (Tony the Shoemaker) Paretti.
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Noteworthy murders and dates;

A) May 20, 1920, Jim Colosimo is killed (Chicago)
B) November 10, 1924, Dion Bannion is killed (Chicago)
C) July 1, 1928, Frankie Yale is killed (Brooklyn)

Side Note: These killings, and many others that took place in Chicago during most of that decade, had absolutely, positively, nothing to do with the so-called “Castellammarese War” which was fought years later between rival “Sicilian” factions of the Sicilian-based Mafia.

That conflict was fought for approximately one year, between mid-1930 and April, 1931 (the day Masseria was finally assassinated.) Each of the aforementioned incidents took place years before the Castellammarese War.

And whether the hundreds and hundreds of killings that were committed during that 1920's era were perpetrated by The Capone Gang and his Camorrista associates back in NYC, the “Terrible” Genna brothers, the Giuseppe Aiello (Mafia) Family, The Bugs Moran Gang, or a host of other independent factions who all fought for control of Chicago’s racket territory, during that era, the family headed by NY mafioso Joe Masseria generally had no involvement with that. They were “New York” based and focused.

It was not until the hard-fought Castellammarese War, when Masseria first approached Capone for help to eliminate his enemy, Chicago’s “Sicilian” boss Joe Aiello (who was a Castellammarese-faction sympathizer and ally of Masseria's rival, Salvatore Maranzano) that Masseria and Capone finally allied together.

Aiello is killed on October 23, 1930.

THIS particular killing, committed by Capone, at the behest of New York boss Joe Masseria, is what is believed by knowledgable mob historians to have been the catalyst that allowed Capone formal entry into the ranks of the Mafia.

***It is generally believed that Al Capone was first “made” a member of the Sicilian Mafia, (either shortly before, or shortly after) Aiello was killed…THIS was his “official” entry into the Sicilian Brotherhood.

He was brought into the fold and immediately made a "capo di decina" with the privilege of inducting 10 additional men into the ranks of his “regime” as formally “made” soldiers. THIS was the start of his Mafia membership!

Previous to that time, although some news accounts allege differently, Al Capone and his organization were extremely powerful in their own right, but were considered independent from the Mafia, per se.

NOTE: But, what is generally not recognized or ever mentioned is that Torrio and Capone, had, in fact, actually lead a “Camorrista” oriented organization as a branch of New York’s Camorra for many years, with support from the noted Camorrista I name above.

So, in all likelihood, Yale's murder was sort by Capone, and then approved by the Napolitani/Calabrese Camorra, NOT by Masseria and the Sicilian Mafia.

...These are the facts, folks!

How dare these so called contenders challenge me with their somewhat primitive thkillz - Mike Tyson

This is how a great thread goes bad when these content creators spout their infallible opinions without citing a single corroborating fact.
The Mafia–Camorra War was a gang war in New York City that lasted from 1915–1917. On one side was the originally Sicilian Morello crime family of Manhattan; on the other side were gangs originally from Naples and the surrounding Campania region, based in Navy Street in Brooklyn and Coney Island referred to as the Camorra. The fight over the control of the New York rackets started after the killing of Giosue Gallucci, the undisputed King of Little Italy, and his son on May 17, 1915.[1][2] The trials that followed in 1918 completely smashed the Camorra gangs; the protection that they enjoyed was demolished from the testimonies of their own men. It was the end of the Camorra in New York and the rise in power of American-based Sicilian Mafia groups.
The Morello gang, formerly run by Giuseppe Morello until 1909, then run by his half-brothers, the Terronovas, Vincenzo, Ciro and Nicholas Morello. Vincenzo and Nicola occasionally used their older, half-brother's name, Morello even though they were legally Terranovas. They controlled Harlem and most of northern Manhattan. Morello and his allies were part of the traditional Sicilian Mafia.

The Camorra organization, run by Andrea Ricci, was a powerful underworld force in Brooklyn. Unlike the Mafia, the Camorra drew its recruits from immigrants from the Naples region of Italy. The Camorra organization's close allies included the Navy Street and Coney Island gangs of Brooklyn, both of which were Neapolitan in origin. Leopoldo Lauritano and Allesandro Vollero headed the Navy Street Gang, and Pellegrino Morano was boss of the Coney Island Gang.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia%E2%80%93Camorra_War

By 1916, Luciano had connected with George Moran, a heroin dealer for Paul Kelly's Five Points gang. In May 1916, Luciano was arrested, convicted and sentenced to eight months. He was releasedafter six months. Kelly was allied with Ignazio Lupo and the Morello Mafia family, not the Camorra. Around the same time, Torrio, Ioele and Capone, who started with the Forty Thieves, and then moved up to the James Street Gang with Torrio, were also connected with Kelly and the Five Points gang, not the Camorristi from Navy St or Coney Island. Masseria was with the Terranovas and Lupo's crew at the time and that is how Masseria met Torrio, Luciano, Costello, Genovese, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Seigel.

The Morello family had consolidated their hold on Upper Manhattan. Additionally, on November 15, 1909, New York police raided a building the Morellos were using in Highland, New York, as a front for their counterfeiting operation and recovered a large amount of American and Canadian counterfeit bills. After letters were found by Black Hand victims from New Orleans, fifteen members of the Morellos were arrested, including bosses Giuseppe Morello and Ignazio Lupo and member Pasquale Vassi, who possessed $1,200 worth of counterfeit money.

The trials began on January 26, 1910, and ended on February 19 with all members involved convicted, including Morello and Lupo, who were sentenced to 30 and 25 years, respectively, at Atlanta Federal Prison.

During this time, the Morellos had allied with powerful and prominent East Harlem businessmen and camorristi, including Giosue Gallucci, who possessed local political connections, and the Lamonti brothers. Gaetano "Thomas" Lamonti and brother Fortunato "Charles" Lamonti were known as cousins of the Morellos and owned a feed store down the street from the famous Murder Stable owned by Ignazio Lupo. After the 1914 murder of Charles Lamonti and the 1915 murder of Gallucci, the alliance between the Morellos and the East Harlem camorristi ended. The Brooklyn camorristi made plans to eliminate the mafiosi from Manhattan.

In early 1916, Camorra boss Pellegrino Morano and lieutenant Vincenzo Paragallo began moving into Morello territory. After six months of fighting, Morano offered a truce to end the stalemate. Mafia boss Nick Morello agreed to a meeting arranged at a Navy Street café owned by camorrista Alessandro Vollero. However, upon arriving on September 7, 1916, Morello was ambushed by five members of the Brooklyn Camorra group and killed along with bodyguard Charles Ubriaco.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morello_crime_family

In 1910, boss of bosses Giuseppe "the Clutch Hand" Morello was imprisoned and Salvatore D'Aquila separated from the Morello family.[6] D'Aquila formed his own crime family and was appointed the new capo dei capi.[6] His crime family operated from East Harlem and the Bronx, where he rivaled the Morellos'.[6]

D'Aquila expanded his crime family's power into Brooklyn and southern Manhattan's Lower East Side/Little Italy neighborhoods.[5] The most prominent members of the D'Aquila family were Umberto Valenti, Manfredi Mineo, Giuseppe Traina, and Frank Scalise.[4] In 1920, after Giuseppe Morello was released from prison, D'Aquila tried to have him and his closest allies murdered.[5][6] In 1925, D'Aquila moved back into the Bronx.

The Mafia–Camorra war ended in 1917, and Terranova brothers Vincenzo and Ciro kept control of the family. Many former Brooklyn Camorra members joined the Morello family; Umberto Valenti was one of new members. One year earlier in 1916, Giuseppe Masseria was released from prison after serving three years for burglary of a Bowery pawnshop and became a top member in the family. In 1918, Ciro Terranova was tried for the murders of gambling bosses Charles Lombardi and Joe DiMarco; the case was later dismissed. In 1920, both Giuseppe Morello and Ignazio Lupo were released from prison so their former captain, now Manhattan Mafia boss, Salvatore D'Aquila, sensing his power to be threatened by their return, ordered their murders.

One of D'Aquila's men, Umberto Valenti, had also run afoul of his boss and was under threat of death. To re-ingratiate himself with D'Aquila, Valenti would take out the rising power, the former captain and current ally of the Morello's, Giuseppe Masseria. First attempts failed and a war was on. On December 29, 1921, Masseria's men murdered Valenti's ally Salvatore Muaro on Chrystie Street. Then Valenti had Vincent Terranova murdered, effectively taking out the head of the Morello family. On May 8, 1922, while Terranova was in front of his home at 116th Street and 2nd Avenue, he was shot by a gunman from a moving car. Masseria ordered his men to murder Valenti and his bodyguard Silva Tagliagamba; they ambushed Valenti and Tagliabamba at Grande and Mulberry Streets in Manhattan shooting Tagliabamba but Valenti escaped. On August 11, 1922, Masseria's men (supposedly including a young Charlie Luciano) murdered Valenti ending the conflict. Masseria became the boss of the Morello family, and Giuseppe Morello became his underboss.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morello_crime_family

By 1920, Luciano had met many future Mafia leaders, including Vito Genovese and Frank Costello, his longtime friend and future business partner through the Five Points Gang. That same year, Lower Manhattan gang boss Joe Masseria recruited Luciano as one of his gunmen.[18] Around that same time, Luciano and his close associates started working for gambler Arnold "The Brain" Rothstein, who immediately saw the potential windfall from Prohibition and educated Luciano on running bootleg alcohol as a business.[19] Luciano, Costello, and Genovese started their own bootlegging operation with financing from Rothstein.[19]

Rothstein served as a mentor for Luciano; among other things, Rothstein taught him how to move in high society. In 1923, Luciano was caught in a sting selling heroin to undercover agents. Although he saw no jail time, being outed as a drug peddler damaged his reputation among his high-class associates and customers. To salvage his reputation, Luciano bought 200 expensive seats to the Jack Dempsey–Luis Firpo boxing match in the Bronx and distributed them to top gangsters and politicians. Rothstein then took Luciano on a shopping trip to Wanamaker's Department Store in Manhattan to buy expensive clothes for the fight. The strategy worked, and Luciano's reputation was saved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luciano

In 1921, Mafia leaders Ignazio Lupo, Giuseppe Morello and other allies made a short trip to Palermo.8 The reason for their voyage was later described in a confidential Secret Service report: 9

When Lupo and Morello were convicted fifteen or sixteen years ago on our counterfeiting case, new leaders arose. Since that time they have grown very strong and very popular. Upon the release of Lupo and Morello they tried to come back into power, but the new organization here in America would not permit this. Consequently, Lupo and Morello and a few of their old ‘standbys’ went to Sicily, taking it up there with the main headquarters endeavouring to be put back in power. They also refused … since that time Morello has moved to the West Side and both he and Lupo are living behind bars and shutters. Their assassination is expected momentarily.

Further detail was given in the memoirs of Mafioso Nicola Gentile. He explained that Lupo, Morello and ten others had been condemned to death by boss of bosses Salvatore D’Aquila at a meeting of the US Mafia’s General Assembly. “It was a question of power. D’Aquila was a very authoritative figure and that meant that those who didn’t support him were condemned to death.”10 D’Aquila made peace with one of the condemned men, Umberto Valente, with the agreement that Valente would kill Masseria, who “at the time was capo of a New York borgata” and a growing threat to D’Aquila.11

The ongoing war resulted in many casualties on both sides. Vincenzo Terranova was assassinated in May 1922. He was gunned down outside the Morello family home at 338 East 116th Street.12 Later that day, Valente ambushed Masseria on lower Manhattan’s Grand Street in a chaotic gun battle that left five innocent bystanders wounded. Masseria survived a second assassination attempt in August that left another eight bystanders wounded.

The battle ended three days later, when Valente was killed on a crowded Manhattan Street.13 Masseria managed to escape conviction for any involvement with the shootings and later relocated his family from Manhattan to the relative safety of Brooklyn. He lived on Sixty-First Street, a short distance from Frankie Yale’s neighborhood and close to his own consigliere, Saverio Pollaccia.
https://www.gangrule.com/biographies/giuseppe-masseria

By 1925, Luciano was grossing over $12 million per year, and made a personal income of about $4 million per year from running illegal gambling and bootlegging operations in New York that also extended into Philadelphia.[21] Luciano soon became a top aide in Joe Masseria's criminal organization. In contrast to Rothstein, Masseria was uneducated, with poor manners and limited managerial skills.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_Luciano

Like his mentor Johnny Torrio, Frankie Yale was one of a new breed of gangster who believed in putting business ahead of ego. After getting started with some basic racketeering, Yale took control of Brooklyn's ice delivery trade by selling "protection" and creating monopolies.[6] In 1917, with the proceeds from these rackets, Yale opened the Harvard Inn bar on Seaside Walk in Coney Island. Hoping to capitalize on the collegiate name of his bar, he began using the name Yale. Yale's gang engaged in Black Hand extortion activities and ran a string of brothels. Their gang became the first new-style Mafia "family" which included Italians from all regions and could work in partnership with other ethnic groups if it was good for business. When asked about his profession, Yale wryly commented that he was an "undertaker". At the beginning of Prohibition, Yale became one of Brooklyn's biggest bootleggers.[citation needed]

In addition to Capone, other gangsters who worked under Yale at one time or another included Joe Adonis, Anthony "Little Augie" Carfano, and Albert Anastasia. Yale's top assassin was Willie "Two-Knife" Altieri, nicknamed as such due to his preferred method of dispatching a victim.In May 1920, Yale traveled to Chicago and personally killed longtime gang boss Big Jim Colosimo at the behest of Chicago Outfit friends Torrio and Capone.[13] Colosimo was allegedly murdered because he stood in the way of his gang making huge bootlegging profits in Chicago. Although suspected by Chicago police, Yale was never officially charged.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Yale

By 1909, Torrio moved to Chicago. "Big Jim" Colosimo, who had become head of a burgeoning vice empire in Chicago is reputed to have invited him to the city to help him deal with Black Hand extortionists. After doing so, Torrio became a top lieutenant in Colosimo's organization, rising to underboss by 1914.[12]

In 1919, Al Capone arrived in Chicago and started working as a bouncer and bartender at one of the Colosimo gang establishments, the Four Deuces at 2222 S. Wabash Street.[12]

Colosimo murder

When Prohibition went into effect in 1920, Torrio pushed for the gang to enter into bootlegging, but Colosimo stubbornly refused. In March 1920, Colosimo secured an uncontested divorce from Victoria Moresco.[13] A month later, he and Dale Winter eloped to West Baden Springs, Indiana. Upon their return, he bought a home on the South Side.[13] On May 11, 1920, Colosimo drove to Colosimo's Cafe to meet an associate he had never met before. He was shot and killed a few minutes after entering the restaurant by a gunman hiding in the cloak room. A bullet entered Colosimo's brain, behind his right ear. [12] Contract killer Frankie Yale had allegedly traveled from New York to Chicago and personally killed longtime gang boss Colosimo at the behest of Torrio.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Torrio

Frankie Yale was a Brooklyn Crime boss and former employer of Al Capone prior to Capone moving to Chicago to work for Johnny Torrio. Torrio was Yale’s mentor, and the relationship between Yale and Capone was always good until the spring of 1927.

Frankie Yale had supported Joe Aiello’s bid to become the president of the Unione Siciliana, but Capone favored Tony Lombardo for the spot. Once Lombardo took over presidency of the Unione, Yale began to resent Lombardo’s approach to conducting business and began to notice diminished proceeds remitted to him from the Unione.

Yale chose to make up the difference in income at Capone’s expense. He began to hijack some of Capone’s trucks carrying whiskey through Long Island. Yale’s gang was responsible for ensuring safe passage for Capone’s trucks through New York.

Capone began to suspect Yale of double crossing him and his suspicions were confirmed by an inside informant, Filesy DeAmato. While DeAmato was sharing what he learned to Capone, someone overhead the conversation and Yale ultimately had him killed on July 7th, 1927.

After DeAmato’s death, the hijackings continued. Capone took his time plotting his revenge. It took a year, but on July 1st, 1928, several of Capone’s men plotted and successfully killed Frankie Yale in New York. While fleeing the murder scene, the shooters ultimately abandoned their getaway car and left the weapons they used to kill Yale. One of the guns found in the abandoned car was an automatic pistol that Henderson had purchased on Capone’s behalf earlier in the year. The identification of that gun would ultimately lead the investigation to Miami.

Fallout of Frankie Yale’s Murder

It took less than a month to determine that one of the guns used in the killing of Frankie Yale had roots in Miami. The serial number of an automatic pistol was traced directly back to Parker Henderson Jr. The Miami News on July 31st, 1928, announced that Henderson would be accompanied by Police Chief Guy Reeve to New York to answer questions related to the gun that was linked back to him. In the meantime, the Yale murder set off revenge murders of two of Capone’s men. Capone’s handpicked president of the Unione Siciliana, Tony Lombardo, was the next victim. Lombardo’s successor as president of the Unione Siciliana, Pasqualino Lolordo, was also a friend of Capones. He was gunned down and killed on January 8th, 1929, in his home. Lolordo’s wife identified Joe Aiello as one of the men present in their home when her husband was killed.

Lombardo’s murder was orchestrated by members of Yale’s former gang, in conjunction with Joe Aiello. Aiello was once again back in Chicago causing problems for Capone. In addition to Aiello, two of George Moran’s crew participated in Lolordo’s murder.

Just as Capone got news of Lolordo’s murder in January of 1929, he was at his Palm Island home and had taken to bed with pneumonia. His recovery gave him time to plot the revenge of the murder of his two friends. Capone would strike back on Valentine’s Day.
https://miami-history.com/al-capone-in-miami-part-1-of-4/

The problems with Nicola Gentile's credibility

Building on extensive original research by a team of Mafia history experts and on U.S. government documents designed to extract meaning from the memoirs, we attempt to balance Gentile’s obviously self-serving and self-aggrandizing autobiographical work with verifiable history, to correct the misinformation and to fill in the wide gaps in his personal account.
https://informer-journal.blogspot.com/2020/10/october-2020-issue-of-informer.html?m=1

While Gentile provide invaluable insight into the pre-Prohibition era, his transcript was entirely in Italian and was translated by the FBI. This leaves room for misinterpretation in translation. His statements about the St. Valentine’s Day massacre are incorrect. He stated the five men were killed by Al Capone at night, this incorrect. Further, Gentile states he was present when, after learning Maranzano had been slain by Luciano, stated he overheard phone calls being made to order the Night of the Sicilian Vespers. There is no evidence there ever was a Night of the Sicilian Vespers. Gentile's version of Tony Lombardo and Pasqualino's being murdered by Capone in order to satisfy a request by Masseria in order to become "Made", is flat out wrong. Capone was too close to Lombardo to be bought by the promise of merely being made a Capodecima. In fact, there is no verifiable proof that any of the Italians, Torrio, Yale, Capone, Luciano, Costello, Genovese were ever "Made" in the same sense as Joe Valachi. Who would have made them? Lupo? Paul Kelly? Masseria? Morello? I don't think so, prior to Prohibition, Sicilian's never made Italians.

The Black Hand

The Black Hand was not only a extortion racket, it also used to describe a Mafia organization, hence The Black Hand Society. Ioele's crew were considered Black Hand even though they were connected to Masseria who was Mafia.
Black Hand was a method of extortion practiced by Italian immigrant gangsters of the Camorra and the Mafia, especially in the United States in Italian-American ghettos or neighborhoods. American newspapers in the first half of the twentieth century sometimes made reference to an organized "Black Hand Society", a criminal enterprise composed of Italians, mainly Sicilian immigrants. The term "Black Hand" was readily adopted by the American press and generalized to the idea of an organized criminal conspiracy, which came to be known as "The Black Hand Society."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(extortion)#:~:text=Black%20Hand%20(Italian%3A%20Mano%20Nera,nineteenth%20century%20with%20Italian%20immigrants.

The Initiation Ritual

The first evidence of the Initiation Ritual in America came from Joe "Cago" Valachi, who was made by Maranzano. The first time any evidence of an Italian being made by a Sicilian. The first known account of the ritual in the United States was provided in 1963 by Joe Valachi, who was initiated in 1930,[3] in his testimony at the McClellan hearings.[7] Valachi's was a high-profile case, and helped convince the country of the existence of the organization in the United States called the Cosa Nostra, also known as the Mafia. He provided the FBI with firsthand information about the inside of the Mafia, including one of the first ever descriptions of the induction ceremony. There is no verifiable information on the Initiation Ritual being administered in America before 1930, although the ritual was described as originated in Sicily as early as 1877.

In conclusion, it's easy to make unsupported statements online. However, this is GBB, the premier online website for organized crime discussion, and if you post here, you better back your post up with verifiable facts and not just your flapping gums to convince me. Thus us GBB, come correct, come to wall strong or don't come at all,. You heard?

All of the major killings started the same time period, like Gentile said. Im not defending all of Gentile's testimony but he was spot on many things. Saying that "5 mafia members" being killed during the massacre, aint a big mistake. I dont believe in coincidence and I dont use Wiki, especially when it comes down to mob, that from 1928 until 1930/31 at least 6 or 7 important mobsters were killed, including Yale, Lombardo, Esposito, Lolordo, Aiello, Guinta and Toto Loverde. "Somebody" killed most of these people and it obviously wasnt Aielo nor Loverde. It was Capone. Gentile was also spot on when he mentioned Ricca as his closest associate, who in turn later was also Capone's successor. This can be also confirmed with the help of another Italian member who in 1940 listed Ricca as the representative for the Chicago family.

On top of that, Capone was Riccas best man at the wedding, and during those days Ricca still worked for Esposito, who in turn (according to Gentile) was a made member of the Mafia in Chicago, besides being a mainlander. When Capone and Ricca orchastrated Espositos murder, later they inherited large part of the West Side area, especially the Near West Side and Melrose Park areas. Now, why would Gentile lie regarding Esposito being a made guy? I dont see the point. Also there was no retaliation for the Lombardo and Esposito killings, and in fact there was only one retaliation regarding the murder of Lolordo, obviously because he and his brother were with Capone. In fact Lolordos brother was also involved in the St Valentines day massacre.

Also, if Capone was first recognized by Maranzano as "representate" for the Chicago family, and Maranzano being the alleged hardcore traditional Sicilian Mafioso that he was, then I still strongly believe that Capone went through traditional induction ceremony. As I previously said that the induction ceremony mightve changed during the following decades, but Capone went through a traditional one. What about Torrio who later went to the Genoveses? He probably went though some type of induction ceremony and probably became a member under Luciano and Vito. In 1954 Torrio and Ricci came to Chicago to settle the dispute between Ricca and Accardo, meaning he was still quite respected.

Well, I never stated that Gentile was completely incorrect about his whole manuscript. What I stated and the article I cited, which wasn't a Wiki, although the Wiki articles I cited about the Mafia Camorra War, The Morello Family, Masseria and the rest all check out. Also, you're entitled to your opinion, but at this point, you and everyone else, has failed to submit a single independently corroborated fact to support your opinion. As the article I cited states, Mr. Gentile's manuscript was in Italian and there is no English version and i would be willing to bet that no one has ever seen a translated version, because there isn't one. This leaves room for error in translation, which is not a reflection on Mr. Gentile. Also, I reached out to Mr. Mario Gomes about his opinion on the Lombardo and Lolordo hits. Prior to these hits in 1928, Luciano, Ciro Terranova and Frank Costello traveled to visit Capone in Miami, it is likely that they conveyed their concerns about the Mustache Pete's not running things the American way and needed to go sometime in the future.I posted his response below to support my position. Also, I posted a video about the Luciano, Costello, Terranova visit to Miami in May 1928. TD, you're knowledgeable about Capone in Chcago, no question. However, in this forum, opinions count for nothing, and you have to bring receipts because an opinion and $2.75 will get you on the A-train to Harlem.[video:youtube]https://youtube.com/shorts/oWJqKIjZlLo?si=NkQMdlSNCJfApkBA[/video]

Thanks @CNote and the respect goes both ways, but believe me im far from giving only opinions since Im talking about information which I gathered through the years, and after that I form my opinion. Believe me back in the days it was very hard to convince people that Nitto was never the boss of the Outfit, because they placed their statements as "facts" but the reality is different lol. Now, dont get me wrong but the screenshot that you posted is based on simple opinion. You know what Im saying here right?! You are contradicting yourself. (no disrespect pls)

What about the numerous MF-FBI files that some are translated and based on Gentiles information and also on testimonies from the Kefauver hearings which were made by members like Roselli or associates like Patton, and they all confirm each other? Are they all false, too? I dont think so!

Respectfully, I'm sure you're as knowledgeable as you say you are, but we're engaged in a discussion on a forum of many knowledgeable people. I've been studying Al Capone for over fifty years, lived in Al's neighborhood and walked in his, and many others, footsteps. I lived a few blocks away from where he was married, so I'm no slouch . As a rearcher, you probably have a PACER account and access to newspaper files. I've seen your scholarly articles, the standard is the same here in discussions. You're asking the forum to take your word, because YOU say you've gathered information over the years, but we don't know that, and if you gathered information, why not post a image, newspaper clipping or anecdotal account to enlighten us and make your point. I would look at any files you submit on a case by case basis and try to independently corroborate it's veracity.
The other opinion I posted is from Mario Gomes from his MyAlCapone Museum https://www.myalcaponemuseum.com/

Mr Gomes is probably more knowledgeable than you and me, combined. He actually has bullets from the St Valentine’s Day massacre, has spent the night in Al's house on Star Island, and has achieved one degree of separation from Al. Yes, it's only his opinion, but it's a valuable one, and is more than anyone else has provided here.

Sorry but you are kidding me right?! Now, Ill TRY to be polite...you're completely wrong when you say that I never post fbi files lol lol common man, just look at my posts from the past ten years. Im constantly posting fbi clips, testimonies,newspaper clips and all the pictures that you ever wished for lol Im not in some dick measuring contest here but if you researched Capone for "50 years" and "walked in his shoes" then Im quite sorry because you obviously wasted 5 decades for nothing and never understood anything, since you're again talking ONLY about OPINIONS and wiki articles lol my condolences.

Here you go buddy, first wave since you probably already know these and im quite interested in your detective work for 5 decades and I wanna hear it lol


















The following picture was edited by me years ago since I took the photo from some book with my old phone and later edited the names on simple paint program so everyone can read them lol btw Mafia boss Merlo, Colosimo and Torrio at the head of the table...one of the best evidences regarding the close connection between Capone and Cosa Nostra...

Wow, I don't see where I said that you never post documentation on this forum. If I somehow offended you my sincere apologies, I meant no harm. In fact, I do see where I complimented you on your scholarly articles and asked you to do the same here, which you did and I appreciate it. If you could post those images below, individually I would grateful. It's a shame that you feel it necessary to insult me personally, when I have been nothing but cordial. If it makes you feel better, go ahead curse me out, accuse me of being drugs, take the first punch, beat my ass, its all good. I thought we were having an interesting exchange of thoughts and information. It's unfortunate that you perceived it as a competition instead of an exchange of information. I don't remember questioning your information regarding anything about Roselli but I found your post informative. As far as Gentile, you may want to check this site devoted to clarifying Mr. Gentile's manuscript.

In this issue of Informer (our thirtieth), we strive to bring Nicola Gentile’s entire life story to the English-language reader. Building on extensive original research by a team of Mafia history experts and on U.S. government documents designed to extract meaning from the memoirs, we attempt to balance Gentile’s obviously self-serving and self-aggrandizing autobiographical work with verifiable history, to correct the misinformation and to fill in the wide gaps in his personal account.

http://informer-journal.blogspot.com/2020/10/october-2020-issue-of-informer.html

John Kobler's bio of Capone (the best IMO) gives a lot of detail about the Outfit's allies and competitors among Chicago's many ethnic racketeers and gangs. Leaves me with two impressions:
--While the Outfit was unquestionably the biggest, richest and most powerful gang in Chicago (and possibly in the US), it never had a monopoly (or even a near-monopoly) on the booze trade;
--Chicago during Prohibition was an OC "equal opportunity employer."

Sorry is this you? - "You're asking the forum to take your word, because YOU say you've gathered information over the years, but we don't know that, and if you gathered information, why not post a image, newspaper clipping or anecdotal account to enlighten us and make your point. "


Also I posted clips regarding Esposito and Capone, meaning Roselli wasnt my target, and I also waited for your opinion regarding the rest of the clips but as usual, nothing.

Now, first of all you disrespectfully questioned my credibility and acting like you are a member of the Outfit (I personally hate that). Second, you obviously belong to the "gang from across the street" and third, you never answered on any of my posts but instead you're constantly making commercials for the Informer thing and we all should take your word for granted and also spend money for personal opinions. Thats why we are done.

Btw, say "hello" to Rick aka Faithful1 aka Antiliar from me (Dushan aka Toodoped aka Villain). We used to be in friendly relationship back in the days and we used to exchange lots of information, and probably he is one of the few Outfit researchers that I still have some type of respect. Also, he shouldve prepared you before coming at me like that since you want to question one of the worlds most hated and at the same time one of the best researchers on the Outfit lol. Not all ppl are perfect, right?! Nice "talking" to ya. Goodbye

Thats right and in fact, some Outfit guys stated that their organization allegedly never had monopoly over some of the rackets, possibly except for the vending machine racket, the local unions and the street tax. I also agree regarding the Outfit being "equal opportunity employer" since they worked with everyone. Even other bosses like Angelo Bruno stated something similar regarding Giancana and the Outfit. Even the non-Italians had their own position on the Outfits ruling panels and their leader or representative was usually elected by the Italian boss or underboss, followed by other powerful CN members aand non-Itals. This situation also made some of their elders allegedly worried regarding the inside info of the internal Cosa Nostra stuff, meaning they were worried on whether guys like Gus Alex knew too much about it. Thats why later Alex was placed next to Accardo and Aiuppa, because he was too important for the organization and probably knew too much to be simply pushed out.











So, ill say it again, theres 99% chances that Capone first went through traditional ceremony but as time passed by, the traditional aka Sicilian influence allegedly started to fade away to an extent (like it was mentioned in some of the fbi clips that I already posted) because of the numerous Mainlander leaders and again, as I already said in one of my previous posts, it depends on the time period and also on the boss who ruled the Outfit, meaning whether he was traditional or not.



They still had a board of directors also known as "consiglio". I personally believe that the Outfit returned to its old traditional way, sometime during the early or mid 70s, or after the deaths of the "old school" leaders like Ricca and LaPorte. In fact, I believe that it was Accardo who brought back the traditional way, especially when the books were re-opened in 76/77. Later or during the 80s, we already have info that the Outfit was making people the "old way". As for the 90s, after all the trouble that occurred, we can only speculate on what really went down.

Again, dont forget that when Capone entered Cosa Nostra, he became even more powerful by receiving interests in and out of the country and in fact, by the 1960s the Outfit was present all around the world and none of the other crime families ever achieved that.

Theres also one completely unconfirmed story that Capone allegedly used Orthodox Bible, which was allegedly given to him by his Greek associates (like Mike Bodoglou aka Potson), while inducting new members but as I already said it is either a "myth" or "legend"....for now.

LOL TD I remember Rick aka Faithful1 from the old Real Deal forum.

Lol yup thats him alright. Great researcher and also a great coach on how to investigate stuff, but too bad he is in a very bad company (hence the poster above).

Deuces, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Too bad you got butt hurt over me challenging your non existent credibility. I cited independent objective opinions from published authors and website owners while you posted only your worthless opinion and second hand, translated, acoounts from a bitter, broken man who had to rely on his neighbors to feed him. I just printed out your FBI files so I can wipe my ass with them for the rest of the week.
As far as your other accusations, I don't know any of those people or "Outfit", whatever the fuck that is. Stay off the hallucinogenic, you're mind will remain clearer.

Ignored. What a creditless fool. I feel sorry for Rick.

So is your mother.

Fuck outta here meth-head.
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Heres another interesting document. "Diamante" was Joe Diamond Esposito, while "Gemma" is obviously Genna.

Your mother is a meth head.

I'm just gonna chime in to say that if you feel the need to resort to "yo momma"-jokes it usually means that you just took the massive L in whatever argument that was going on.

I guess you're missing where he keeps flaming me.

...Angelo!...Oh, Angelo!...Wherefore art thou?

Heres one interesting info regarding Capone allegedly telling Zerilli to gather all Italian groups under one rule....

I suggest both sides cut the crap -- quickly -- before you both are put on a vacation.

If you don't like someone, or something they've said -- ignore them! This isn't grade school.

What year do you know TD?

It seems likely that the "Ruling Council" in Michigan later detected by Senate investigators actually was formed in 1940s. The council reportedly included Guglielmo Tocco, Joseph Zerilli, Angelo Meli, "Papa John" Priziola and Peter Licavoli.

The file says that in 1927 there was a war in Detroit and that "at the time" Capone allegedly visited Zerilli. If you ask me, the meeting/meetings possibly occurred sometime around 1930/1931 when Capone was officially recognized as the real power in Chicago. I personally believe that the year of 1927 was "little bit early" for Capone to be involved in the establishing of the "new" national Cosa Nostra network. Who knows, maybe Im wrong?! lol

Thanks !

You're welcome bud and thanks for the vid.